Jehovah's Witnesses

[MyRdmrLvs]

That is in Luke in the NT, not the OT.

Furthermore, it is a “parable”, and was not a literal event.
It did not actually happen.

Do you understand this?
A parable is a story intended to convey a spiritual truth. it is not about real people or even real situations (such as a camel passing through the eye of a needle).
The important message in it has nothing at all to do about hell.
It is this… Jesus has been teaching about materialism and money – the unjust steward, serving Mammon, and stewardship. His audience includes his disciples (16:1) as well as “the Pharisees who loved money” and ridiculed his stand on money (16:14). Jesus affirms the validity of the Law, rightly interpreted (16:16-18) – important to the Pharisees. This parable condemns the Pharisees for their love of money and neglect of showing compassion for the poor (16:19-31).

Yes but when telling the story He didnt say the man found himself suffering in Zorboulon(some place that no one knows) He said Hades and everyone knew what Hades was.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

no worries at all:thumbsup:

After all of those years in the WTS, I do not sweat the small stuff anymore.

God bless you too!
In these difficult times for Christians we all need His blessings 24/7!

Can I ask what lead you out? My wife and I spent countless hours reading and studying, I carried in my very large lunch box, a bible a concordance a topical bible and a bible dictionary. I was prepared every time they came. I thought I could clearly decimate most watchtower doctrines, I stumped them over and over then I proved that the WT was out right deceiving them. I wished I had bought the book but it was $40 so they could have seen it with their own eyes but Im not sure that would have helped. one thing I noticed about the WT is that they are very repetitive. There was one paragraph I showed them that repeated the same doctrinal point 6 time each time phrased differently. they also will be talking about one doctrine and through in a line that states another doctrine. I also noticed that when I attended the kingdom hall(yes I went a few times) the guy reading the Bible, when he read it like this " …an then Jesus, who is the Arch angel Micheal…" Of course I dont have to tell you that no where in the Bible does it say that but the guy didnt skip a beat! He said it as if He was reading the scripture and it was apart of the word of God! Every time I think about it I wish I would have interrupted the guy and asked him in front of everyone why he i added words to the word of God, I think of the warning in revelations against adding anything to the word.

 

[dj_dave]

MyRdmrLvs*[SIGN:

I stumped them over and over then I proved that the WT was out right deceiving them. I wished I had bought the book but it was $40 so they could have seen it with their own eyes but Im not sure that would have helped. one thing I noticed about the WT is that they are very repetitive[/SIGN]

…Go ahead, make my day! Give me an example where you think you proved them wrong.
I feel a little fiesty.

 

[spn82756]

MyRdmrLvs*[sign:

I stumped them over and over then I proved that the WT was out right deceiving them. I wished I had bought the book but it was $40 so they could have seen it with their own eyes but Im not sure that would have helped. one thing I noticed about the WT is that they are very repetitive[/sign]

…Go ahead, make my day! Give me an example where you think you proved them wrong.
I feel a little fiesty.

Let’s see…for starters on false doctrine:

   **THE DEITY OF JESUS** **CHRIST**
 Jesus was an angel who became a man (*Watchtower*, 5/15/63, p 307).       He was just a man, however -- not God in the flesh (*Reasoning from the       Scriptures*, 1985, p 306).     Jesus is/was fully God and fully man. *See* [The       Deity of Jesus Christ](http://www.dianedew.com/deity.htm)                  **THE RESURRECTION 
  OF JESUS**
 Jesus was only 'spiritually' raised, not physically *(Awake, *7/22/73,       p 4; *[Let God be True](http://www.dianedew.com/JW276.htm)*[, p       276](http://www.dianedew.com/JW276.htm)).     Jesus was physically raised. In fact, Scripture teaches Jesus even raised       himself from the dead. *See *[The Resurrection       of Jesus Christ](http://www.dianedew.com/resurctn.htm)                  **ETERNAL JUDGMENT**
 The doctrine of eternal torment (hell) is not valid. (*[Let God be       True](http://www.dianedew.com/JW90.htm)*[, p.90-90](http://www.dianedew.com/JW90.htm), and [p.       94-95](http://www.dianedew.com/JW94.htm)) The soul becomes extinct (nonexistent) after death (*[Let       God be True](http://www.dianedew.com/JW74.htm)*[, p. 74, 75](http://www.dianedew.com/JW74.htm) and [p.       99](http://www.dianedew.com/JW99.htm)).     Scripture, in both the Old and New Testament, teaches that the wicked       will be eternally tormented in hell. *See* [The       After-life](http://www.dianedew.com/afterlif.htm)                  **SALVATION**
 Salvation is by works (*Studies in the Scriptures*, Vol. 1, pp.       150, 152), through membership in the organization (*Watchtower*, 2/15/79,       p 30).     Salvation by grace through faith in the atonement of Jesus Christ.
  *See *[Salvation](http://www.dianedew.com/salvatn.htm)                  **THE TRINITY**
 The doctrine of the "trinity" is an invention of man. (*[Let God be       True](http://www.dianedew.com/JW100.htm)*[, p 100, 101](http://www.dianedew.com/JW100.htm))     Although the word "trinity" is not in the Bible, the concept of the       three-in-one is throughout the Old and New Testaments.
  *See *[The Godhead](http://www.dianedew.com/godhead.htm)                  **THE HOLY SPIRIT**
 The Holy Spirit is an inanimate force or power. *(Watchtower*, 6/1/52,       p 24; *Reasoning from the Scriptures*, 1985, pp 406, 407)     The Holy Spirit is a Person. *See* [The Holy       Spirit](http://www.dianedew.com/holyspir.htm)

 

[spn82756]

…Go ahead, make my day! Give me an example where you think you proved them wrong. I feel a little fiesty.

Did you miss this post?

The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT, 7-1879, 7-8).
The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT, 6-1-1952, 338).
The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT 8-1-1965, 479).
The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT 6-1-1988, 31).
The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Live Forever, early ed., 179).
The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Live Forever, later ed., 179).
The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, 985).
The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Revelation: Its Grand Climax at Hand! 273).

 

[spn82756]

4. Jesus Christ. Since JWs do not believe in the Trinity, they also do not believe that Jesus is God in the flesh. They add the word “other” four times to Colossians 1:16,17, teaching that Christ was God’s first creation, i.e., the reincarnation of Michael the archangel created by Jehovah, rather than the Creator. [The “Watchtower” teaches that Jehovah God created Michael the Archangel before the foundation of the world; Michael was His only begotten son by virtue of the fact that he was the only creature directly created by Jehovah. It was this created Michael who became the JW Jesus (i.e., a denial of the eternality of Christ). JWs say that “Since actual conception took place, it appears that Jehovah God caused an ovum or egg in Mary’s womb to become fertile, accomplishing this by the transfer of the life of his first born son (Michael) from the spirit realm to the earth” (Aid to Bible Understanding, p. 920). “Marvelously, Jehovah transferred the life-force and the personality pattern of his first born heavenly son (Michael) to the womb of Mary. God’s own active force, his holy spirit, safeguarded the development of the child in Mary’s womb so that what was born was a perfect human” (Reasoning, p. 255).] JWs also add an “a” in John 1:1, making the verse read, “the Word was a god” (which in essence, makes the JWs guilty of the same polytheism of which they accuse Trinitarians).

 

[Vasian]

Can I ask what lead you out?

Primarily, I was kicked out for challenging the 1914 date which they now themselves have set aside, now calling “that generation that will not pass away” as us ALL being of that “contemporary generation”.
I also had challenged the prohibition on blood transfusions which they now have watered down themselves. This after we refused a life saving blood transfusion for our own daughter 2 years after we became JW’s. (That is a long story for another thread)
And, there was an issue after I was appointed a Servant where one of our “brothers” who had been an elder confessed to sodomizng his nephew only after his nephew came forward and turned in his uncle. It was all being swept under the carpet by our body of elders. I would not be a part of that and stepped down from my position.

My wife and I spent countless hours reading and studying, I carried in my very large lunch box, a bible a concordance a topical bible and a bible dictionary. I was prepared every time they came. I thought I could clearly decimate most watchtower doctrines, I stumped them over and over then I proved that the WT was out right deceiving them. I wished I had bought the book but it was $40 so they could have seen it with their own eyes but Im not sure that would have helped. one thing I noticed about the WT is that they are very repetitive. There was one paragraph I showed them that repeated the same doctrinal point 6 time each time phrased differently. they also will be talking about one doctrine and through in a line that states another doctrine. I also noticed that when I attended the kingdom hall(yes I went a few times) the guy reading the Bible, when he read it like this " …an then Jesus, who is the Arch angel Micheal…" Of course I dont have to tell you that no where in the Bible does it say that but the guy didnt skip a beat! He said it as if He was reading the scripture and it was apart of the word of God! Every time I think about it I wish I would have interrupted the guy and asked him in front of everyone why he i added words to the word of God, I think of the warning in revelations against adding anything to the word.

There is no “s” on “Revelation”

I beleive that as time progresses and the Old Guard passes on, and the remaining “remenant” either do not decrease drastically like they should be doing or even increase, this alone will require a major change in the organization.

Let me be clear here as to my own opinion about individuals in the WTS or any other of these sorts of religions… I will not label them as non-Christians.
Only our Lord Jesus Christ does such judging.
I have my opinions about the “organization” but i will not judge individuals.

 

[Vasian]

MyRdmrLvs*[SIGN:

I stumped them over and over then I proved that the WT was out right deceiving them. I wished I had bought the book but it was $40 so they could have seen it with their own eyes but Im not sure that would have helped. one thing I noticed about the WT is that they are very repetitive[/SIGN]

…Go ahead, make my day! Give me an example where you think you proved them wrong.
I feel a little fiesty.

Do you care to comment on all of the dead ones due to Watchtower laws?
Laws, now that have been changed?

 

[Syntax]

Let me be clear here as to my own opinion about individuals in the WTS or any other of these sorts of religions… I will not label them as non-Christians.
Only our Lord Jesus Christ does such judging.
I have my opinions about the “organization” but i will not judge individuals.

Calling JW’s “non-Christians” is not a condemnation, it is an observation. They have the fundamental belilef that Christ is not God, contrary to what Christians have believed for two-thousand years. It doesn’t make any sense to claim you’re a member of a group, and then deny that group’s most central fundamental tenet.

 

[Syntax]

Did you miss this post?

The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT, 7-1879, 7-8).
The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT, 6-1-1952, 338).
The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT 8-1-1965, 479).
The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT 6-1-1988, 31).
The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Live Forever, early ed., 179).
The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Live Forever, later ed., 179).
The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, 985).
The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Revelation: Its Grand Climax at Hand! 273).

Sheesh! The WT can’t make up its mind! “No, yes, no, yes, wait…no…on second thought yes!”

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

MyRdmrLvs*[SIGN:

I stumped them over and over then I proved that the WT was out right deceiving them. I wished I had bought the book but it was $40 so they could have seen it with their own eyes but Im not sure that would have helped. one thing I noticed about the WT is that they are very repetitive[/SIGN]

…Go ahead, make my day! Give me an example where you think you proved them wrong.
I feel a little fiesty.

The point was that I spent an huge amount of time and despite showing proof that the watchtower was lying they still would not leave the jws Im not about to waist that much time going over it all again with you.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

Let me be clear here as to my own opinion about individuals in the WTS or any other of these sorts of religions… I will not label them as non-Christians.
Only our Lord Jesus Christ does such judging.
I have my opinions about the “organization” but i will not judge individuals.

I have agonized for the two elderly ladies we studied with, they were so determined to serve Jesus. We really love them.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

MyRdmrLvs*[SIGN:

I stumped them over and over then I proved that the WT was out right deceiving them. I wished I had bought the book but it was $40 so they could have seen it with their own eyes but Im not sure that would have helped. one thing I noticed about the WT is that they are very repetitive[/SIGN]

…Go ahead, make my day! Give me an example where you think you proved them wrong.
I feel a little fiesty.

why dont you start with the points Ive made about sighting a source as if it supports your doctrine when in fact it clearly contradicts it. why would Gods faithful servant LIE!

 

[Rolltide]

I would like to comment!
(Though you might regret asking)

Not at all. I’m always glad to take your comments.

My good Rolltide!
It was superb. All correct info I am sure,

Thank you.

except… Except you left out the 95% of JWs history that might make them look respectable! Haha! (I wonder why)

I’ve thought a lot about your professional history lesson in the last week.
I once read a book on World War II. The writer often went into great detail on the murder of particular groups of Jews by the Nazis, But the entire Allied invasion of Normandy (the biggest sea invasion in history) was summed up in just over a page!

For some reason your history lesson reminded me of that.

Hmmmm… interesting. You do realize that just like economists, historians have to focus on the “macro” and the “micro”. A book that goes into great detail on the murder of particular groups of Jews by the Nazis has an important historical purpose. A book like William Sheridan Allen’s “The Nazi Seizure of Power: The Experience of a Single German Town, 1922-1945” can demonstrate the social factors that allowed Nazi propaganda to work on the local population, and why Germans were willing to look the other way, or simply didn’t resist actions they thought were wrong. This book is a classic in the field, but it in NO WAY purports to be a study of the entire war. Rather, it gives a snapshot of a particular example that serves historians, in combination with other examples, to give a more complete understanding of the bigger picture. Of course, that bigger picture is reserved for other works. Now, with my post, I chose to focus on the shaky theological development of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, rather than get bogged down in any other aspects of the organization.

I see points 1 –10 (of 12) were all before the Jehovah’s Witnesses were called Jehovah’s Witnesses. 83% of their history before 1925? They became Jehovah’s witnesses in 1931 my good historian!
(But this period you focus on has the best ammo for a critic with many wrong expectations of Russell and Rutherford about the end. Cool.)

So… Russell and Rutherford were not “Jehovah’s Witnesses” then? Does that mean that the Jehovah’s Witnesses disregard everything that happened before 1931? Was this, or was this not, the same organization? What about the Watchtower? It was around before 1931.

Are you also saying that the Jehovah’s Witnesses are a religion that has a doctrine that has only really been understood for about 79 years out of the last 2000? How had this radical new understanding been simply overlooked for so long?

Wikipedia quotes: “Viewed globally, this persecution has been so persistent and of such an intensity that it would not be inaccurate to regard Jehovah’s witnesses as the most persecuted religion of the twentieth century”.

Wow, so, the Jehovah’s Witnesses were persecuted globally in the twentieth century more than the Jews? I realize that Jehovah’s Witnesses were killed in death camps (as were Catholics, like St. Maximilian Kolbe), but WHICH religious group was the MAIN target? Come on…

You seem to have skipped any mention of that. Why? (perhaps you were away from history class the day the most persecuted religion in the 20th century was discussed )

Nope, I teach the history of Nazi Germany. I’ve been to Dachau. One of the professors I studied under even was a historical consultant on Schindler’s List.

Or is it because Jesus predicted his followers would be persecuted just as he was? As did the apostles.

Lots of people have been persecuted for their beliefs. The Jehovah’s Witnesses have NO special claim on that.

You probably don’t want us claiming any such title.

Not when it’s false. Now mind you, I do not deny that MANY good people who were JW’s were executed in death camps. That was an atrocity of unspeakable proportions, and I FULLY recognize that. BUT… to claim that the JW’s are the MOST persecuted religious group of the twentieth century is preposterous.

to be continued…

 

[Syntax]

Wikipedia quotes: “Viewed globally, this persecution has been so persistent and of such an intensity that it would not be inaccurate to regard Jehovah’s witnesses as the most persecuted religion of the twentieth century”.

Wow, so, the Jehovah’s Witnesses were persecuted globally in the twentieth century more than the Jews? I realize that Jehovah’s Witnesses were killed in death camps (as were Catholics, like St. Maximilian Kolbe), but WHICH religious group was the MAIN target? Come on…

I can’t believe wikipedia makes such an unsubstantiated claim. You have to pay attention to who is writing these things because a person’s actual credentials are not strictly assessed. I continue to find mistakes over and over again, especially on the topic of linguistics and the philosophy of language.

 

[Rolltide]

Anyway, since you’d used up 80% of you post by this stage there is no time to mention the mob violence (often clergy instigated) against them. Elenor Roosevelt had to speak up to try and stop the awful violence in the USA.

Wikipedia: “The American Civil Liberties Union reported that by the end of 1940, “more than 1,500 Witnesses in the United States had been victimized in 335 separate attacks.”[55] Such attacks included beatings, being tarred and feathered, hanged, shot, maimed, and even castrated, as well as other acts of violence.

(Hey, those JW’s obey the law and teach people to love their neighbours from the Bible! we already know how to be nice to people! Let’s get them!)

They also refused to fight to save a group that was being persecuted even more than they were. How noble.

Hmmm… let’s take a closer look at that article shall we?

Here’s what else it says:

1910s and 1920s

Strong resentment and anger were sometimes directed at the Jehovah’s Witnesses (then called Bible Students) in the 1910s and 1920s. This was largely due to the Watch Tower Society’s outspoken manner; it was not uncommon for members to carry placards outside churches and in the streets proclaiming the imminent destruction of church members, along with both church and government institutions if they did not flee from “false religion”. Typical examples of the Watchtower’s attitude are found in the Watch Tower Society’s book publication The Finished Mystery (SS-7), 1917 edition: “Also, in the year 1918, when God destroys the churches wholesale and the church members by millions, it shall be that any that escape shall come to the works of Pastor Russell to learn the meaning of the downfall of ‘Christianity.’”[4] “The people who are the strength of Christendom shall be cut off in the brief but terribly eventful period beginning in 1918 A.D. A third part are ‘burned with fire in the midst of the city.’ Fire symbolizes destruction. . . .After 1918 the people supporting churchianity will cease to be its supporters, be destroyed as adherents, by the spiritual pestilence of errors abroad, and by the famine of the Word of God among them.” (Pages 398, 399) The Bible Students believed religion was a “racket and a snare” and refused to be identified as a ‘religion’ for some time.

1930s and 1940s

During the late 1930s and '40s, the Jehovah’s Witnesses attacked the Roman Catholic Church and other Christian denominations so vigorously that many states and municipalities passed laws against their inflammatory preaching.

Now, if you read the top of the article, you’ll also see that it warns that the article needs significant expansion. If you look at the talk page, you’ll note that the primary concern is that not enough attention is given to the fact that JW’s of this time were much more aggressive and inflammatory in their preaching, and often times this would incite violence because they would disrupt church services or refuse to leave. That does NOT justify the violence against the JW’s, but it does demonstrate that the JW’s could be guilty of some very poor judgment in regard to their preaching.

 

[Rolltide]

Nor the unique stand that was made in Nazi Germany.

Wikipedia: “Taking everything into consideration, it has been established that no other religious movement resisted the pressure to conform to National Socialism with comparable unanimity and steadfastness.” He later went on to say that at “no point did they support Nazi rule. Rather, the stand taken by Jehovah’s Witnesses would have, according to Klaus Drobisch, “been befitting” for the majority of the population”.

This while all other churches went along with this demonic regime and were soon killing their own members in war! (They had to scramble for excuses afterwards, claiming they didn’t know and were really fighting the nazis behind the scenes and stuff. “The Pope didn’t protest because he was busy saving Jew’s in secret I tell you!”)
JW’s refused even to “Heil Hitler” (Which means salvation we owe to Hitler) they had this unique idea they owed salvation only to Jesus!

Joseph Rutherford (one of those guys that led the Jehovah’s Witnesses before they were Jehovah’s Witnesses, apparently) signed a document in Berlin on June 25, 1933 (oh wait, that’s AFTER 1931, so they ARE JW’s now) called the “Declaration of Facts”. Some noble statements seemed to be included in this document:

“We are wrongfully charged before the ruling powers of this government and before the people of this nation… we do respectfully ask the rulers of the nation and the people to give a fair and impartial consideration to the statement of facts here made.”

and

“Instead of being against the principles advocated by the government of Germany, we stand squarely for such principles and point out that Jehovah God through Christ Jesus will bring about the full realization of these principles and will give to the people peace and prosperity and the greatest desire of every honest heart.”

and

“A careful examination of our books and literature will disclose the fact that the very high ideals held and promulgated by the present national government are set forth in and endorsed and strongly emphasized in our publications, and show that Jehovah God will see to it that these high ideals in due time will be attained by all persons who love righteousness and who obey the Most High. Instead, therefore, of our literature and our work’s being a menace to the principles of the present government we are the strongest supporters of such high ideals.”

However, it also continued on:

“The greatest and most oppressive empire on earth is the Anglo-American empire. By that is meant the British Empire, of which the United States of America forms a part. It has been the commercial Jews of the British-American empire that have built up and carried on Big Business as a means of exploiting and oppressing the peoples of many nations. This fact particularly applies to the cities of London and New York, the stronghold of Big Business. This fact is so manifest in America that there is a proverb concerning the city of New York which says: ‘The Jews own it, the Irish Catholics rule it, and the Americans pay the bills.’”

and

“…we receive no support from Jews and that therefore the charges against us are maliciously false and could proceed only from Satan, our great enemy.”

In other words, the JW hierarchy was attempting to sell out the Jews in 1933 to save their own skin.

“Dr. M. James Penton, professor emeritus in the Department of History at the University of Lethbridge, in his book Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Third Reich, drawing on his own Witness background and years of research on Witness history, interprets antisemitic attitudes on the part of Jehovah’s Witnesses and a “friendly” rapport with the Nazi regime.”

Yes, there are charges that this quote is an exaggeration or a falsification. They come from within the Wikipedia article itself. However… the Wikipedia article was written primarily by Jehovah’s Witnesses, and so it has a bias. Other sources challenge the fact that this statement was an exaggeration, so I submit this quote as a possibly relevant fact that requires further research.

 

[Rolltide]

Nor would they swear an oath of loyalty to Hiltler and join the army (something even the future pope benedict presumably didn’t object to since he was in the German army on and off from 1943)

"Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was conscripted into the Hitler Youth, as membership was required for all 14-year old German boys after December 1939, but was an unenthusiastic member and refused to attend meetings (His father was a bitter enemy of Nazism, believing it conflicted with the Catholic faith). In 1941, one of Ratzinger’s cousins, a 14-year-old boy with Down syndrome, was taken away by the Nazi regime and killed during the Aktion T4 campaign of Nazi eugenics.

He managed to get out early so he could study for the priesthood.

In 1943, while still in seminary, he was drafted into the German anti-aircraft corps as Luftwaffenhelfer. (Draft evasion was punishable by death.) Ratzinger then trained in the German infantry, but a subsequent illness precluded him from the usual rigours of military duty.

As the Allied front drew closer to his post in 1945, he deserted back to his family’s home in Traunstein after his unit had ceased to exist, just as American troops established their headquarters in the Ratzinger household — risking death by that act alone.

As a German soldier, he was put in a POW camp, but was released a few months later at the end of the war in the summer of 1945. He reentered the seminary, along with his brother Georg, in November of that year."

So… he was put in the Hitler Youth by force but refused to attend, watched as his cousin was taken off by the Nazis to be experimented on until he died, got “sick” when he was drafted, deserted at great cost to his life, and walked straight to an Allied POW camp. All the while, he was studying to be a priest and serve God. And… the Allied forces were using Ratzinger’s household as its headquarters. That doesn’t sound like a very willing Nazi to me…

I’m going to continue on with my response, since I still have about 1/3 of your post left to comment on, but it’s really late here, so I’ll have to do it later. I’ll get back to it though.

 

[Regardless]

More like “the God” and “God”.

Oh you! I haven’t had any formal training yet, that’s coming in two years!

theos according to Strong:
…
Deity

• the rank or essential nature of a god
• a god or goddess

…
Just for future reference (Strong):

Hebrews 1:6 — “worship”

proskuneo

• WORSHIP
• to fawn or crouch to (literally or figuratively)
• prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore)

Hey thanks for that! Superb.

So a particular greek word might have a variety of possible meanings!
Who is Strong? Is he a scholar or is it an encyclopedia? I will look it up.

So I guess, where satan is called *theos *in Corinthians, it would be in the context of : * “the rank or essential nature of a god”.
And perhaps with the Pharisees it is somehow similar. Their rank perhaps? as representatives of God? (or should have been at least)
So when directed to Jesus it could (though not necessarily) carry a similar meaning.

That is interesting on “proskuneo” too. It doesn’t necessarily mean “worship”
(of course that is what the witnesses would argue when it is directed to Jesus.)

• prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore) like when applied to a human king or judge?

That is all very interesting. Thanks very much friend!

So you are to study it proffesionally soon? Cool.

 

[JeanneH]

So I guess, where satan is called *theos *in Corinthians, it would be in the context of :
*]“the rank or essential nature of a god”.

I would be interested in the verses in Corinthians that call satan theos. I ckecked and didn’t come up with theos at all. One was satanas and the other was satan.(Greek) from the Strongs.

New Testament Greek Definition:
4567 Satanas {sat-an-as’}
of Aramaic origin corresponding to 4566 (with the definite
affix); TDNT - 7:151,1007; n pr m
AV - Satan 36; 36

1. adversary (one who opposes another in purpose or act), the
   name given to
   1a) the prince of evil spirits, the inveterate adversary of
   God and Christ
   1a1) he incites apostasy from God and to sin
   1a2) circumventing men by his wiles
   1a3) the worshippers of idols are said to be under his control
   1a4) by his demons he is able to take possession of men and
   inflict them with diseases
   1a5) by God’s assistance he is overcome
   1a6) on Christ’s return from heaven he will be bound with chains
   for a thousand years, but when the thousand years are
   finished he will walk the earth in yet greater power, but
   shortly after will be given over to eternal punishment
   1b) a Satan-like man

4566 Satan {sat-an’}
of Hebrew origin 07854; TDNT - 7:151,*; n pr m
AV - Satan 1; 1

1. adversary (one who opposes another in purpose or act), the
   name given to
   1a) the prince of evil spirits, the inveterate adversary of
   God and Christ
   1a1) he incites apostasy from God and to sin
   1a2) circumventing men by his wiles
   1a3) the worshippers of idols are said to be under his control
   1a4) by his demons he is able to take possession of men and
   inflict them with diseases
   1a5) by God’s assistance he is overcome
   1a6) on Christ’s return from heaven he will be bound with chains
   for a thousand years, but when the thousand years are
   finished he will walk the earth in yet greater power, but
   shortly after will be given over to eternal punishment
   1b) a Satan-like man