Jesuit calls for reform in Islam and an end to persecution of Christians

[randel]

creativecat:

The argument I will like to make is that muslim countries must respect the rights of Christians in muslim countries. As a Christian, if I can’t even show any concern for other Christians (in Sudan, where they are sold as slaves) then what kind of Christain would I be? Shouldn’t I be concerned about their persecution? You after all wish to defend Islam, so I too must defend Christianity. You can make all the arguments about the bad things that happend in Christendom four hundred years ago as much as you want. But since I live in a new century, I must be concerned about this one, and I have a right to be concerned about Christians who are being persecuted. Your interesting arguments will not stop me from being concerned for their welfare. True, there is a seperation between church and state iin the West, and I think thats a good thing. Remember what Jesus said, “render what belongs to Ceasar to Ceasar.” The problem with the koran is that it does not recognize that distinction, while Christains have gone against it. Perhaps that makes Christians hypocrites, but it also make reform possible in the Christian world, much harder in the Islamic world. One more point: actually I will concede that Muslims don’t always agree. Sufis and especially Shites are a downtrodden minority in many Sunni socities, and are persecuted just like Christains. I too am concerned about them. That is rarely brought up in discussions. I actually do believe that Islam does have the potiential of dividing into different sects, and perhaps thats one positive thing that can be said about it. Watch when Shites take control over Iraq, joined with Iran, and see how they will soon demand respect from the majority Islamic world. That should be very interesting to watch. So we are already bringing diversity into the Middle East. I think that Bush has already been largely successful.

Hi creativecat,

Yes, you have a legitimate point here and as such you should also be concerned with what is happening in India with your Christian brothers/preachers of non-Catholic faith such as what happened with Australian preacher who alongwith his innocent children were burned alive when they all were sleeping, by the Hindu extremists.

Now, how much concerned you or your Church showed towards continued harrassment of Chrisian minute minority by the Hindu extremists?

India–Christian Persecution in India
persecution.org/Countries/india.html

Pastor attacked in Himachal Pradesh by Hindu extremists, urged to renounce faith
in.christiantoday.com/news/nat_773.htm

**Hindu-Indians Continue To Murder Christians
Hindu Fundos Kill Catholic Priest, Bomb Churches
Christians attacked in south India

HON. JOHN T. DOOLITTLE
in the House of Representatives
India under fire over Christian rights
Protests at nun sex attack
Hindus plan violence against minorities**
holocaustinkashmir.50megs.com/ka04005.html

Not to mention the vandelisation of Jewish synagogues and Jewish cemetery in Europe. What Hitler did with the millions of innocent civilan Jews is the darkest stain on the whole Christendom’s history. And fascists like Mussoulioni, who was born as a Christians is an another dracolian nightmere for those who became victims of his fascism/brutality. What communist Russia did also should not be forgotten. What American did with the jJpanese and in Vietnamese should be kept in mind always.

Most Christian don’t even-----

 

[randel]

[Hi creativecat]

Most Christian don’t even know what is really going on in India with their Christian brothers because Western media is not really interested in even bringing the news atleast as it is because it is very much interested in any issue related to Islam or the Moslems by blowing them out of proportion all the time to create/fuel enemosity towards Islam and Moslem.

Fundamentalists are not just in the Christiandom, they are also found in the Hindus of India and even to a recognisable degree in the Buddhists such as Sri Lankans, Thais etc. (Note: I used the words Hindus, Buddhists and not Hinduism and Buddhaism. Because what a HIndu or Buddhist does, is not neccassarily taught by their respective relgions–Hindusim, Buddhaism).

As far Moslem “fundamentalism” (as labelled by the West corporate media), it has more to do with what America and it’s allies did in Moslem countries to rob their oil and other resources, and less to do with their faith Islam.

So called “extreme” Moslems, just like any other human beings, too are people with feelings, pride and emotions and sometimes they use their belief to spark people’s emotions to fight the injustice committed by America and it’s allies and sometimes some people go too far to commit suicidal attacks in order to take reveange of what America or it’s allies did to them, just like how some Sri Lankan LTT’s people carried out suicidal attacks or how some Japanese Buddhist fundamentalists did. This is not totally a Moslem phenomenon, but it has to do with how some people react when they are attacked/robbed/humiliated by their enemies beyond any repair.

Just imagine what happened in Abu Ghuraib jail, recently. Think if you or your mother, your sisters and your daughters were in the place of Iraqi prisoners and Honrable Ms. Lyndie England and her good American friends had made a tower of naked bodies of you are you family members and dragged you all like dogs or spread human dung on your bodies and asked you to perform acts of shame and filth and then your photos were sold out to the newspapers so that newspapers can make millions of dollars by publishing them and showing the whole world.
But since all these did not happen with you nor you are really aware of Eastern Arab culture, you may not fully and truly understand the severity and seriousness of these kinds of acts which are worst than killing them. Because, as one Minister of an Arab country said “If Lyndie England and her good American and British friends had just killed all Iraqi helpless prisoners, it would have been better than humiliating and torturing them.”
American and it’s allies are more interested in the Arab world because unfortunately or fortunately the main reserves of oil/petrol are placed by God, mostly in the Arab lands and the Moslems happened to live there by chance.

If America and it’s allies were in fact champions of religious freedom and more concerned with the human rights, then they could have first stopped Israel’s aggression against poor helpless Palestinians and stopped Russia’s aggression in Chechnia and also stopped British aggression in South Africa so that thousands of innocent lives of Palestinian Christians and Moslems could have been saved and people like Nelson Mendalla did not have to spoil/waste his almost whole life in jail for no valid reason and thousands of innocent lives of Chechnians could have been saved.

What American and it’s allies really cared when Serbian Christian butchers had free license to kill a multitude of helpless armless Moslem Bosnians who were sorrounded by their enemy Serbia from all four sides and poor Bosnians had no other choice but either die or surrender and gave their homes and land to Serbs. Mass graves are still being discovered as Serbian attrocities are investigated.

At the moment your real concerend should be towards your own community which is suffering and dying from deadly filthy diseases such as AIDS, Sexually Transmitted Diseases, and ills of immorality such as gayism, lesbianism, child-molestation by the very Catholic priests (because Catholic church did not take any appropriate action thus far), pornography, femineism which is totally against what Jesus warned you by saying “whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath commited adultery with her already in his heart”
You should stop scapegoating Moslems and their religion as easy meat, when you have a whole series of serious problems in your very own yard.

As to Darfur issue it is not a Moslem or Islam issue but a------

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[randel]

[Hi creativecat]

As to Darfur issue it is not a Moslem or Islam issue but a tribal and culture of that area and it enlarged due to fueling by the enemies of Sudanese government to derail all the peacefull revolutionary changes of Sudan goverment. If America and it’s allies were really concerened about those poor Darfur African people, they could have invested their whole energy, time, efforts and money there by sending peace keepers, instead of wasting billions of dollars in Iraq on a totally unjust war. Iraqis or Afghanis did not invite America to invade their countries nor they were neighbours to America or Europe nor they posed any theat.
War of America is war for oil thus deaths of more than a hundred thousand innocent civilain Moslems of Iraq and Afghanistan means nothing to America as long as oil fields are secured and Arab oil is easliy available.

Same butcher of Baghdad when gased Kurds in the 80s, America had no problem with him at that time. In fact America was supplying arms to Saddam and even to Iran through Israel.
Arabs knew all these facts. You cannot fool them. They knew why America invaded Iraq.

Now afte all these has happened to them and by keeping the incident of Abu Ghuraib Jail, how can you send your Christian missionaries to teach them Christianity?

You said “I think that Bush has already been largely successful.” This is a red herring though. but remember that no Arab country invited America and it’s allies to invade their countries because they knew well what America is all about and upto, and they have been seeing what it is doing when it comes to Israel. I would say, Bush would be remembered as an another Hitler for causing holocaust of thousands of innocent Iraqi and Afghani civilians.