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Mary888
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Who is a saint now in the Catholic Church.
To the OP if you want to understand the Jesuit spirituality then probably read Ignacio de Loyolla’s books as a starting point.
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To the OP if you want to understand the Jesuit spirituality then probably read Ignacio de Loyolla’s books as a starting point.
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rose321
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Respectfully opinion …not to offend others… belief, but to practice tolerance not to insult and who am I too judge… either…asking…Were Protestants at one time not Catholics? To say Protestant never touched Church History book, would that be fully correct in stating such? They protested…thus …title Protestant? Peace
Being Catholic I also will pray for you after reading one replies toward our brothers and sisters.Protestant…who believe in the same Heavenly Father as we do, and having deep devotion to Jesus our Lord and Savior..
Love one another as I have Love you:thinking:…
Greatest Commandment…Love your neighbor as you Love yourself.
For one I choose to leave the rest in his hands for he seeks out not Titles does he? But he seeks out…hearts souls and minds…pure intentions …and How much have you Loved Me?..
Love your neighbor as you Love yourself…not an easy task for all is it?
Pope in his beautiful homily teaching…practice tolerance… who am I to judge…Do not just… rote… the Commandments, but prayer with help of the Spirit to live and obey them.
.…Want to enter the Kingdom obey the Commandments?
Peace Called to gather not chase…:As far as .Jesuits and the Society of Jesus…read the 3 books by Jesuit…Teilhard de Chardin who was a genius way before his time!!! Letting the highly educated…Jesuits explain his works and their important roll in serving the church faithfully…
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BoomBoomMancini
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I think he means that someone whose only credential is “I’m on YouTube.” A legitimate bishop who also puts stuff on YouTube is a different story.Respectfully toward…asking kindly…stating such…Is Bishop Robert Barron a Catholic Bishop? Scott Hahn? can list more etc are they not on you tube also?
Someone whose only qualification is “I have a webcam and I record in my moms basement” is about as credible as a crazy person yelling at clouds on the street corner.
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Salibi
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Hello,
Of course I didn’t mean all YouTube videos. And I certainly didn’t mean all Protestants. And yes, I stand by what I’ve said, Protestants claiming the early Church was proto-Protestant really have never touched a Church history book. But the fault is all on me, I should have clarified; I did not mean all Protestants are hysterical or anti-Catholic. I merely meant those who spent their time making outrageously false claims about the Catholic Church.
Thank you for offering to pray for me, you’re so kind. I must admit that I’ ve never met Protestants in real life before and have only ever encountered them online, hence my less than favorable opinion of them. (Here I mean my low opinion of these internet Protestants, not all Protestants) I’m sure that there are very godly Protestants, your uncle included.
Christ’s peace.
Of course I didn’t mean all YouTube videos. And I certainly didn’t mean all Protestants. And yes, I stand by what I’ve said, Protestants claiming the early Church was proto-Protestant really have never touched a Church history book. But the fault is all on me, I should have clarified; I did not mean all Protestants are hysterical or anti-Catholic. I merely meant those who spent their time making outrageously false claims about the Catholic Church.
Thank you for offering to pray for me, you’re so kind. I must admit that I’ ve never met Protestants in real life before and have only ever encountered them online, hence my less than favorable opinion of them. (Here I mean my low opinion of these internet Protestants, not all Protestants) I’m sure that there are very godly Protestants, your uncle included.
Christ’s peace.
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Salibi
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How is Protestants being one time Catholics relevant to the issue at hand? I’m sure, being in the 21st century, that all those Protestants are already dead. And in the Catholic Church, though we may always pray for the salvation of sinners, it has been always believed that those who break away from the Church in schism are in mortal sin. However, I do not mean to imply that your uncle, having never been Catholic, is guilty of such a heinous sin. He is not, at least to my knowledge of what constitutes schism. I quite understand that you love your uncle ( God rest his soul) but please keep in mind that I definitely did not have him in mind when i spoke of Protestants. And it is indeed more charitable not to throw shade on other people’s faith. And do, dear, not put your loved ones in mind when reading what other people write on public forums, it is not feasible for one’s emotional health.
Pax Christi, and good day.
Pax Christi, and good day.
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MagdalenaRita
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I agree with this because it is best to find out what the Catholic church believes and teaches, from the Catholic church itself. There are many myths and legends out there regarding the Church and one can easily be led astray or into false understanding.
During my protestant years I used to ask protestants or non-Catholics about the Catholic church and I can say what I mostly heard was not true, whether due to their own misunderstanding or because of their wanting to deceive.
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DENNYINMI
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Jesuits are responsible as was mentioned, for schools and universities in places many persons would not have dared go. Their main function was the study (and introduction in certain cultures) of Christianity. Philosophy and the sciences were not neglected, the education was well rounded and preparatory.
The grading system that we teach a 2nd grader at the level of 2nd grade and 8th graders at their level is a direct product of what Jesuits contributed to.
They take the vow of celibacy, poverty and strict obedience. They live and retire in community.
When you see persons dislike them per se’ it is usually due to their stance on social justice issues and the fact we are currently divided at this time in history along the lines of politics. Jesuits believe and expound on the Church’s teaching of preferential option for the poor making them appear “Liberal” to the staunchly conservative, while maintaining a Pro-life view encompassing conception to grave (the elderly would be included in this).
Hope that helps, Best Wishes.
The grading system that we teach a 2nd grader at the level of 2nd grade and 8th graders at their level is a direct product of what Jesuits contributed to.
They take the vow of celibacy, poverty and strict obedience. They live and retire in community.
When you see persons dislike them per se’ it is usually due to their stance on social justice issues and the fact we are currently divided at this time in history along the lines of politics. Jesuits believe and expound on the Church’s teaching of preferential option for the poor making them appear “Liberal” to the staunchly conservative, while maintaining a Pro-life view encompassing conception to grave (the elderly would be included in this).
Hope that helps, Best Wishes.
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otjm
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My experience with Jesuits was from 1962 - 1964. attending a Jesuit high school. The priests and Misters (Scholastics) were very bright, motivated to teach, and gave no appearance of being anything but following the Magisterium.
Since then, there have been issues within at least parts of the Order, some salacious in the extreme, and there have been some who have achieved a degree of notoriety for their public move away from the Magisterium. Sadly, those Jesuits still deeply committed to the Faith and the Magisterium have been less than in public view and esteem.
Much has been said concerning Catholic colleges and universities, and what most who wax eloquently over the matter fail to understand is that in the late 1960’s/early 1970’s there was a major change in who ran those schools of learning. Due to conflicts arising with our “beloved” Federal governmental agencies, the boards of directors moved from the religious to lay boards, due to a fear in part (likely realistic) that the schools would be cut off from Federal aid and loans. The net result is that the Jesuits, along with the Holy Cross and other Orders have their names on the schools and teach there, but influences other than Catholic came in, to the detriment of their reputations, the students who were exposed to other than Catholic thought (to their detriment) and the Church.
The Jesuits were primarily a missionary society (I have a picture of my great uncle standing on a small sampan somewhere in China before WW2). Education became their mission in the U.S.
Since then, there have been issues within at least parts of the Order, some salacious in the extreme, and there have been some who have achieved a degree of notoriety for their public move away from the Magisterium. Sadly, those Jesuits still deeply committed to the Faith and the Magisterium have been less than in public view and esteem.
Much has been said concerning Catholic colleges and universities, and what most who wax eloquently over the matter fail to understand is that in the late 1960’s/early 1970’s there was a major change in who ran those schools of learning. Due to conflicts arising with our “beloved” Federal governmental agencies, the boards of directors moved from the religious to lay boards, due to a fear in part (likely realistic) that the schools would be cut off from Federal aid and loans. The net result is that the Jesuits, along with the Holy Cross and other Orders have their names on the schools and teach there, but influences other than Catholic came in, to the detriment of their reputations, the students who were exposed to other than Catholic thought (to their detriment) and the Church.
The Jesuits were primarily a missionary society (I have a picture of my great uncle standing on a small sampan somewhere in China before WW2). Education became their mission in the U.S.
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otjm
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You don’t have to be a Traditional Catholic to believe that; all you have to do is look at the initiation and oaths/statements they make as one joins and goes up the ranks.
However, they have been less oriented to anti Catholic/anti Christian in recent years.
However, they have been less oriented to anti Catholic/anti Christian in recent years.
Some , probably most Catholics do not understand the special charisms of the Jesuits .
They go to the margins , and beyond .
As Pope Benedict said when addressing the Society of Jesus :
" I would like to encourage you to continue on the path of this mission in full fidelity to your original charism. As my Predecessors have said to you on various occasions, the Church needs you, relies on you and continues to turn to you with trust, particularly to reach those physical and spiritual places which others do not reach or have difficulty in reaching. Paul VI’s words remain engraved on your hearts: “Wherever in the Church, even in the most difficult and extreme fields, at the crossroads of ideologies, in the social trenches, there has been and there is confrontation between the burning exigencies of man and the perennial message of the Gospel, here also there have been, and there are, Jesuits”"
" It is not oceans or immense distances that challenge the heralds of the Gospel but the boundaries resulting from an erroneous or superficial vision of God and man that stand between faith and human knowledge, faith and modern science, faith and the commitment to justice. The Church thus urgently needs people who dedicate their lives to being on these very frontiers to bear witness and to help people understand that on the contrary there is profound harmony between faith and reason, between the Gospel spirit, the thirst for justice and initiatives for peace. The Society of Jesus should give preferential attention to this…This quest for quality and for human, spiritual and cultural validity must also characterize the whole of the Jesuits’ many-facetted formative and educative activities as they come into contact with people of every sort wherever they may happen to be. "
They go to the margins , and beyond .
As Pope Benedict said when addressing the Society of Jesus :
" I would like to encourage you to continue on the path of this mission in full fidelity to your original charism. As my Predecessors have said to you on various occasions, the Church needs you, relies on you and continues to turn to you with trust, particularly to reach those physical and spiritual places which others do not reach or have difficulty in reaching. Paul VI’s words remain engraved on your hearts: “Wherever in the Church, even in the most difficult and extreme fields, at the crossroads of ideologies, in the social trenches, there has been and there is confrontation between the burning exigencies of man and the perennial message of the Gospel, here also there have been, and there are, Jesuits”"
" It is not oceans or immense distances that challenge the heralds of the Gospel but the boundaries resulting from an erroneous or superficial vision of God and man that stand between faith and human knowledge, faith and modern science, faith and the commitment to justice. The Church thus urgently needs people who dedicate their lives to being on these very frontiers to bear witness and to help people understand that on the contrary there is profound harmony between faith and reason, between the Gospel spirit, the thirst for justice and initiatives for peace. The Society of Jesus should give preferential attention to this…This quest for quality and for human, spiritual and cultural validity must also characterize the whole of the Jesuits’ many-facetted formative and educative activities as they come into contact with people of every sort wherever they may happen to be. "
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Limoncello4021
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The Jesuits rose up to defend the faith in the Counter Reformation. St Teresa of Avila speaks glowingly about this vibrant young order. Like many movements in the Church, they were doing something new, inspired by the Holy Spirit, and the order was suppressed for a time. That’s not unusual. Jesuits are well educated, go where they are needed in the world, and don’t live in community. It has been easy, in some sense, to invent conspiracy theories about them because of this.
There have been many saintly Jesuits. Just read about the North American martyrs, like Issac Jogues and his companions. Amazingly heroic men.
There have also been some liberal Jesuits in more recent times and some Jesuit universities in the U.S. that appear to have fallen from solid faith.
There have been many saintly Jesuits. Just read about the North American martyrs, like Issac Jogues and his companions. Amazingly heroic men.
There have also been some liberal Jesuits in more recent times and some Jesuit universities in the U.S. that appear to have fallen from solid faith.
Tis_Bearself
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Hi! I’m an alum of the Mcdonough School graduate program.
Have you considered just asking some Jesuits at Georgetown these things? They are all over the place and I’m sure some of them would be happy to chat with you about this subject.
Have you considered just asking some Jesuits at Georgetown these things? They are all over the place and I’m sure some of them would be happy to chat with you about this subject.
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adamhovey1988
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Really bad conspiracy theories from Chick tracts. How in the world the Jesuits were responsible for things hundreds of years before they existed is beyond me.
Tis_Bearself
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Uh, that’s because it has a history of being exactly that - an anti-Catholic organization out to destroy the Church. People have posted you some good articles in the other thread.
You need to distinguish between what is “conspiracy theory” and what is actual facts. Freemasons being an anti-Catholic church-smashing organization in Europe is, sadly, facts.
The conspiracy theories about Jesuits, on the other hand, are mostly conspiracy theories. No, they did not start the Freemasons. And Jack Chick is an unreliable source when it comes to Catholicism and lots of other things.
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adamhovey1988
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Catholics are forbidden from being masons. And they are historically, very Anti-Catholic. But, contrary to what Jack Chick believed, Masons were not founded by Jesuits.
Tis_Bearself
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Here is the website for Ignatian Spirituality, in other words Jesuit Spirituality.
I recommend you read some of the stuff on it if you really wish to understand them better.
And then talk to some actual Jesuits. I would hope they are still wandering around Healy Hall.
https://www.ignatianspirituality.com/
I don’t have a problem with Jesuits. In my younger days I thought I might like to join the Jesuits.
Unfortunately, I am a woman, and they don’t really have a female Jesuit order.
I understand the order went through some rather hairy times in the post-Vatican II era with Jesuits embracing various fringe ideas and sometimes not behaving their best, so maybe it was just God keeping me out of a situation I would not have wanted to be in.
I generally like Jesuits though.
I recommend you read some of the stuff on it if you really wish to understand them better.
And then talk to some actual Jesuits. I would hope they are still wandering around Healy Hall.
https://www.ignatianspirituality.com/
I don’t have a problem with Jesuits. In my younger days I thought I might like to join the Jesuits.
Unfortunately, I am a woman, and they don’t really have a female Jesuit order.
I understand the order went through some rather hairy times in the post-Vatican II era with Jesuits embracing various fringe ideas and sometimes not behaving their best, so maybe it was just God keeping me out of a situation I would not have wanted to be in.
I generally like Jesuits though.
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GospelOfMatthew
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Jesuits are missionaries at their heart, Isaac Jogues and companions as well as others. There are a lot of Jesuit saints who died around where I live. Many martyrs for the faith, for the Gospel of Life. True conviction for Jesus!
Ignatius’ Examen is also wonderful.
Personally I have a strong connection with Dominicans, through their love of preaching, St. Martin de Porres, St. Dominick, and St. Aquinas. But Jesuits do bring the true fire of Christ through missionary work
Ignatius’ Examen is also wonderful.
Personally I have a strong connection with Dominicans, through their love of preaching, St. Martin de Porres, St. Dominick, and St. Aquinas. But Jesuits do bring the true fire of Christ through missionary work
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MikeInVA
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You’re attending college at a Jesuit college. Go talk to one of the many Jesuits at Georgetown. They have a chapel and a residence on campus, and Holy Trinity Church right out the gate is staffed by Jesuits. You’ll get a lot better response from one of them than an online forum.
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Bon_Croix
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Agreed. This is about the Jesuits.
Being a Jesuit and being a Freemason are incompatible.
Oh. I’m a male, and you can view my profile, it isn’t a secret.
Being a Jesuit and being a Freemason are incompatible.
Oh. I’m a male, and you can view my profile, it isn’t a secret.
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stpurl
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Isn’t Georgetown Jesuit? Wouldn’t you be able to talk to actual Jesuit members of the faculty, etc. about these questions you have?
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