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Hello my friend,
Don’t you think that question is a bit after the fact? It happened already!
Besides, how can you be sure what God does not like to do?
Do you deny the fact that with God all things are possible?.
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swariffin
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Please answer the first question. Can the word of God become human?
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Xiaahmad
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Lets see:
It just not about death or creation.
Its about contradictory attributes.
**A Fully Man is dependent on: Food,water,Air, other worldly stuff
Fully GOD is not dependent instead on GOD every thing is dependent.
So how can u have Dependent who is not dependent.
A man is Mortal ending , death
but GOD has not ending he cannot be defeated by Death
So you can have Immortal who is mortal
Same is with knowledge, Begining, Power, vision, wisdom etc.
in short FULLY MAN is Contradictory with FULLY GOD and viceversa **
It just not about death or creation.
Its about contradictory attributes.
**A Fully Man is dependent on: Food,water,Air, other worldly stuff
Fully GOD is not dependent instead on GOD every thing is dependent.
So how can u have Dependent who is not dependent.
A man is Mortal ending , death
but GOD has not ending he cannot be defeated by Death
So you can have Immortal who is mortal
Same is with knowledge, Begining, Power, vision, wisdom etc.
in short FULLY MAN is Contradictory with FULLY GOD and viceversa **
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When an all-powerful Fully God decides to become Fully Man, all attributes of Fully Man will have to take a back seat and all attributes will be as He pleases. Therefore all contradictions are cancelled, unless you’re an unbeliever.
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Techno2000
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I think God Can suspend the laws of Nature.
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Techno2000
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God begot His only Son, in order to Have someone to Love.This means that God “Subdivide” himself to produce Jesus, and the love between the Father and the Son is the Holy Spirit.
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inJESUS
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sorry i haven’t read the other replies so sorry if am repeating what others might have said.
The problem is actually in your question, you are limiting your argument to either/or argument.
Jesus being both Divine and Human is not a matter of either/or, which is the basis or your argument.
We have examples of angels eating food like men, walking , dressing and talking like men. Does it mean these angels are no longer angels? so it isn’t a matter of either angel or man but both. God puts rules, we do not put rules on God.
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ralphinal
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And I agree.
I wonder why the Muslims cannot or will not give us a stright answer on this.
God controlls nature. IF he decides to do something against the normal rules, it is called a miracle.
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inJESUS
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unless the virgin birth is the normal rule.
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Xiaahmad
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which laws did jesus suspend?
He ate, he slept, then according to u he died, he was born, he didnt know stuff, he leanred
So point i was making the attributes both are contradictory if he is Fully God then he cant be Fully Man (coz his fully God attributes will contradicts with Fully Man)
like if he became fully man then he have to let go his fully God attributes.
and viceversa.
He ate, he slept, then according to u he died, he was born, he didnt know stuff, he leanred
So point i was making the attributes both are contradictory if he is Fully God then he cant be Fully Man (coz his fully God attributes will contradicts with Fully Man)
like if he became fully man then he have to let go his fully God attributes.
and viceversa.
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paarsurrey
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Hiwhich laws did jesus suspend?
He ate, he slept, then according to u he died, he was born, he didnt know stuff, he leanred
So point i was making the attributes both are contradictory if he is Fully God then he cant be Fully Man (coz his fully God attributes will contradicts with Fully Man)
like if he became fully man then he have to let go his fully God attributes.
and viceversa.
You are right, in my opinion. A fully man with full faculties does marry and has children, sons and daughters; according to Catholics he had none. What is this full man?
I think CatholicGod was only a mythical one; neither a full God nor a full man. God is essentially a creator, not an impotent one in my opinion.
I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna
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Techno2000
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Matthew 17:1-9 (New International Version)which laws did jesus suspend?
He ate, he slept, then according to u he died, he was born, he didnt know stuff, he leanred
So point i was making the attributes both are contradictory if he is Fully God then he cant be Fully Man (coz his fully God attributes will contradicts with Fully Man)
like if he became fully man then he have to let go his fully God attributes.
and viceversa.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfiguration_of_Jesus
The Transfiguration
After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
When the disciples heard this, they fell face down to the ground, terrified.But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.” When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.
As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”
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swariffin
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Man is allowed not to marry if (a) Born to be incapable to do so, (b) caused by other to be incapable to do so, and (c) Those who choose not to marry for the Kingdom of God (Mat 19:12). So, in your society if a man is born to be unable to use his genital to perform his duty as a husband, you do not regard him as fully human? Half animal? Also, If I cut your genital so much that you can no longer perform your duty as a husband, are you become half animal and half human?
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Reuben_J
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Bro, even though I don’t agree with Islam, but with his (Paarsurrey) definition of a man, I will never be a Muslim. It is so disgraceful, needlessly humiliating and chauvinistic.
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ralphinal
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which laws did jesus suspend?
He ate, he slept, then according to u he died, he was born, he didnt know stuff, he leanred
So point i was making the attributes both are contradictory if he is Fully God then he cant be Fully Man (coz his fully God attributes will contradicts with Fully Man)
like if he became fully man then he have to let go his fully God attributes.
and viceversa.
How about we start with the first miracle related to Jesus’s life: the virgin birth. Did God suspend the laws of nature with that?
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sambos671
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This is in no way Catholic dogma. God did not break himself into smaller peices. Jesus is fully God eternally proceeding from the father. No subdivision. Its one of the first premises of St. Thomas Aquinas in his Summa Theologica.God begot His only Son, in order to Have someone to Love.This means that God “Subdivide” himself to produce Jesus, and the love between the Father and the Son is the Holy Spirit.
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ncgolf
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One of the reasons Jesus was divine … and probably the leading reason was He forgave sins. Only God can forgive sins and Jesus did indeed forgive sins.which laws did jesus suspend?
He ate, he slept, then according to u he died, he was born, he didnt know stuff, he leanred
So point i was making the attributes both are contradictory if he is Fully God then he cant be Fully Man (coz his fully God attributes will contradicts with Fully Man)
like if he became fully man then he have to let go his fully God attributes.
and viceversa.
Think about it … let’s say … Ralphinal sins against you … and I say I forgive you Ralphinal … that would be silly if I said this … but Jesus went all over doing exactly this. Catholics priests forgive sin … but not under their own power … they invoke Jesus’s name and thus His authority to forgive sins.
Who can forgive sin in Islam? If you say God then you can see why we see Jesus as divine.
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paarsurrey
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I think Jesus was born naturally of Mary. There is no miracle in it. The miracle if any is in the conception of Mary.
I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna
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inJESUS
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It is interesting to see that Christians believe in and understand why Jesus was born to no biological father. Muslims believe in it but do not understand why. Ahmadiyya do not believe in it. What next?
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