Jesus as True God and True Man

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FiveLinden . . .
Everything of which I am aware is in motion.
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How do you think things remain in motion without a prime mover?
You, on the basis of faith (I think) believe there must be a first mover. Why?
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To the readers here.

There you have it. Perpetual motion affirmed (at least implicitly).

You, on the basis of faith (I think) believe that things can move on their own. Why?
 
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Cathoholic said:
How do you think things remain in motion without a prime mover?
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Why do you think they need a prime mover? Without explaining this your question makes as much sense as asking ‘why do you think things remain in motion without a giant unicorn playing violin’.
 
FiveLinden . . .
Why do you think they need a prime mover?
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Well now is your chance to show me all the things that initiate and perpetuate self-movement.

FiveLinden . . .
I never think about perpetual motion.
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Maybe now is a good time to do this then.
 
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FiveLinden . . .
All material things are in constant motion.
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Yes but WHY are they in motion? Who put them that way and perhaps easier to see,
Who KEEPS them that way right this moment while we are conversing?
 
Cathoholic said:
Yes but WHY are they in motion? Who put them that way and perhaps easier to see,
Who KEEPS them that way right this moment while we are conversing?
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Well I would say ‘because that is the way things are. They move’. It is up to you to explain why you think there needs to be a prime mover. I know that seemed sensible to Thomas Aquinas but that was before we knew as much as we now do about the constant motion of well, everything.
 
FiveLinden . . .
It is up to you to explain why you think there needs to be a prime mover.
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I already did.

I can demonstrate how things need outside energy to initiate and maintain movement.

You cannot demonstrate how things can initiate and maintain movement on their own.

There is no rational reason to believe that things can initiate and maintain movement on their own.

This BELIEF is irrational. It is superstitious.

You said you have not given it any thought so I am not accusing YOU of falling into superstition.

I am recomending you DO give this thought so you DON’T fall into superstition.

These beliefs are natural religions.

Atheism is just another variant of old superstitious paganism
with an enshrining of
UNREASONABLE “reason” as a god.

Their BELIEF in perpetual motion is just one of those beliefs.

Their DENIAL of truths that are ABOVE natural reason
is another superstition. This superstition is universally held by people who follow various atheistic pagan religions. All atheists sooner or later deny truths that are ABOVE reason.

Here is my post again defining truths ABOVE reason again for those late-commers to this thread.
 
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What truths are ‘above reason?’
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Please go back and re-read the thread.

I already stated two of them here.

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I looked them up, edited my post and linked them for you (name removed by moderator).
 
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FiveLinden (who himself was not self-initiated) initiating movement on this thread . . .
Off you go then.
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Thank you.

Now you go ahead and demonstrate the irrational concepts of self-initiation and perpetuation of motion in a current situation.
 
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God is one.
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Dear Vico, I think this is a good thread to discussing about incarnation.

Please explain what does “True God and True Man” mean.
 
To be true God is to be (God is existence Himself). To be a true Man is to have a true human body and a true human soul.
 
“Soul” is a term used in theology that refers to the spirit that’s the form of the body. So I wouldn’t say that Christ has two souls if I were you. But Christ has, in a sense, two spiritual realities: His Divine Nature and His human soul.
 
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“Soul” is a term used in theology that refers to the spirit that’s the form of the body. So I wouldn’t say that Christ has two souls if I were you. But Christ has, in a sense, two spiritual realities: His Divine Nature and His human soul.
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If he is true God and True man, then he must have bothe all man’s attributes and all God’s attributes, And it is impossible, because he can’t have inconsistent attributes:

He must be mortal to be a man, and He must be immortal to be the God. He must be needy to be a man, and He must be needless to be the God, etc.
 
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Dear Vico, I think this is a good thread to discussing about incarnation.

Please explain what does “True God and True Man” mean.
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The Incarnation is the union of the divine nature of the Son of God with human nature in the person of Jesus Christ.

The Son of God assumed human body and soul. His divine nature was substantially united to human nature.
 
Vico said:
The Son of God assumed human body and soul. His divine nature was substantially united to human nature.
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Thank you.

Please explain about “God assumed human body” and “substantially united to some thing”
 
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Vico:
The Son of God assumed human body and soul. His divine nature was substantially united to human nature.
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Thank you.

Please explain about “God assumed human body” and “substantially united to some thing”
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See this in the Catechism of the Catholic Church
IV. HOW IS THE SON OF GOD MAN?
470 Because “human nature was assumed, not absorbed”,97 in the mysterious union of the Incarnation, the Church was led over the course of centuries to confess the full reality of Christ’s human soul, with its operations of intellect and will, and of his human body. In parallel fashion, she had to recall on each occasion that Christ’s human nature belongs, as his own, to the divine person of the Son of God, who assumed it. Everything that Christ is and does in this nature derives from “one of the Trinity”. The Son of God therefore communicates to his humanity his own personal mode of existence in the Trinity. In his soul as in his body, Christ thus expresses humanly the divine ways of the Trinity:98
The Son of God. . . worked with human hands; he thought with a human mind. He acted with a human will, and with a human heart he loved. Born of the Virgin Mary, he has truly been made one of us, like to us in all things except sin.99
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97 Gaudium et spes 22 § 2.
98 Cf. Jn 14:9-10.
99 Gaudium et spes 22 § 2.
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http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a3p1.htm
 
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Vico said:
See this in the Catechism of the Catholic Church
IV. HOW IS THE SON OF GOD MAN?
470 Because “human nature was assumed, not absorbed”,97 in the mysterious union of the Incarnation, the Church was led over the course of centuries to confess the full reality of Christ’s human soul, with its operations of intellect and will, and of his human body. In parallel fashion, she had to recall on each occasion that Christ’s human nature belongs, as his own, to the divine person of the Son of God, who assumed it. Everything that Christ is and does in this nature derives from “one of the Trinity”. The Son of God therefore communicates to his humanity his own personal mode of existence in the Trinity. In his soul as in his body, Christ thus expresses humanly the divine ways of the Trinity:98
The Son of God. . . worked with human hands; he thought with a human mind. He acted with a human will, and with a human heart he loved. Born of the Virgin Mary, he has truly been made one of us, like to us in all things except sin.99
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Sorry. But it does not help. I need to know what you mean “God assumed human body” and “substantially united to some thing”.
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