Jesus as True God and True Man

[pohandes]

Your profile says you are Catholic. You must therefore know that Jesus was fully human and fully God.

I am a Catholic in my heart and I have some questions in my mind.

This is Church doctrine.
CCC 464 The unique and altogether singular event of the Incarnation of the Son of God does not mean that Jesus Christ is part God and part man, nor does it imply that he is the result of a confused mixture of the divine and the human. He became truly man while remaining truly God. Jesus Christ is true God and true man.

Could One of his natures be his nature without another nature?

Two natures, one person. The human nature needs and the human body dies and is resurrected and the human soul is immortal.

We discussed about this before. Being self-exist or being creature, is not some thing in the nature, It is some thing in the Essence. If Lord Jesus has one Essence, this Essence is self-exist or creature; and it is impossible to one person in one Essence to be both God and Creature.

 

[Vico]

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You asked: “Could One of his natures be his nature without another nature?”
Each nature is present and not confused.

You wrote: “it is impossible to one person in one Essence to be both God and Creature.”
There is one person in Jesus Christ and that person is divine, the Son of God.

 

[pohandes]

You asked: “Could One of his natures be his nature without another nature?”
Each nature is present and not confused.

I am not asking about what is really happened. I’m asking IF There be no human nature, Can the divine nature be one of incarnated Jesus’ natures?

You wrote: “it is impossible to one person in one Essence to be both God and Creature.”
There is one person in Jesus Christ and that person is divine, the Son of God.

OK, So how did this person can be a man, while he is divine?

 

[Montrose]

OK, So how did this person can be a man, while he is divine?

This has been answered so many times in this thread.
May I ask if English is not your first language because you seem to have a hard time grasping what we say and what the Church teaches.

 

[pohandes]

This has been answered so many times in this thread.
May I ask if English is not your first language because you seem to have a hard time grasping what we say and what the Church teaches.

English is not my first language. But I think I understand what you say. I just have questions and I’m not convinced bey your replies. If you think “This has been answered so many times in this thread”, I can leave this thread, but we are here to ask our Questions.

 

[Vico]

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You asked: IF There be no human nature, Can the divine nature be one of incarnated Jesus’ natures?"

No.

You asked: “how did this person can be a man, while he is divine?”

By divine fiat.

St. Thomas Aquinas, again:

Reply to Objection 2. To be united to God in unity of person was not fitting to human flesh, according to its natural endowments, since it was above its dignity; nevertheless, it was fitting that God, by reason of His infinite goodness, should unite it to Himself for man’s salvation.

https://www.newadvent.org/summa/4001.htm#article1

 

[Montrose]

English is not my first language. But I think I understand what you say. I just have questions and I’m not convinced bey your replies. If you think “This has been answered so many times in this thread”, I can leave this thread, but we are here to ask our Questions.

The Church teaches that Jesus was FULLY human and FULLY God. All Catholics must believe this.
Are you saying that you don’t believe the Church teaching on this or that you do believe but just don’t understand?

 

[pohandes]

You asked: “Could One of his natures be his nature without another nature?”
Each nature is present and not confused.

I don’t know how to explain my Question. I am not asking about what Lord Jesus really is. I am asking about a condition that the real Lord Jesus can be in it

You wrote: “it is impossible to one person in one Essence to be both God and Creature.”
There is one person in Jesus Christ and that person is divine, the Son of God.

OK. So how this divine person, dies, eats, drinks, etc?

 

[Anesti33]

The Church teaches that Jesus was FULLY human and FULLY God.

Minor nitpick: The Church teaches that Jesus is fully human and fully divine. He didn’t stop being that way at the Resurrection or Ascension.

 

[pohandes]

The Church teaches that Jesus was FULLY human and FULLY God. All Catholics must believe this.
Are you saying that you don’t believe the Church teaching on this or that you do believe but just don’t understand?

Yes there are questions in my mind.

 

[Vico]

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So how this divine person, dies, eats, drinks, etc?

A human has a soul and body which together is a person. The person of the Son of God took on (assumed) a human body and soul.

 

[pohandes]

Minor nitpick: The Church teaches that Jesus is fully human and fully divine. He didn’t stop being that way at the Resurrection or Ascension.

But it have been stoped for three nights and three days.

 

[Anesti33]

His humanity and divinity didn’t stop. He was as dead as human beings get.

 

[pohandes]

A human has a soul and body which together is a person. The person of the Son of God took on (assumed) a human body and soul.

Thanks, but I don’t understand what you are saying.

 

[Montrose]

Minor nitpick: The Church teaches that Jesus is fully human and fully divine. He didn’t stop being that way at the Resurrection or Ascension.

Actually the wording the Church uses in English in its teaching is True God and True Man.

CCC 464 The unique and altogether singular event of the Incarnation of the Son of God does not mean that Jesus Christ is part God and part man, nor does it imply that he is the result of a confused mixture of the divine and the human. He became truly man while remaining truly God. Jesus Christ is true God and true man.

CCC 469 The Church thus confesses that Jesus is inseparably true God and true man. He is truly the Son of God who, without ceasing to be God and Lord, became a man and our brother

 

[Anesti33]

I was actually refuting your past-tense “was” (which can also be seen in the CCC you quote) but I stand by what I said otherwise. God/Divine, same difference.

 

[Montrose]

I was actually refuting your past-tense “was” but I stand by what I said otherwise. God/Divine, same difference.

Okay. We are on the same page although another poster can’t grasp what is on that page.

 

[Vico]

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Thanks, but I don’t understand what you are saying.

Luke 1

34 And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?
35 And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

 

[Vico]

Anesti33:

Minor nitpick: The Church teaches that Jesus is fully human and fully divine. He didn’t stop being that way at the Resurrection or Ascension.

But it have been stoped for three nights and three days.

The human soul is everlasting from the time of its creation.

 

[Vico]

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OK. So how this divine person, dies, eats, drinks, etc?

A second post on this question.

A divine person never dies. The Son of God eats, drinks, etc,. through the human soul and body of Jesus Christ.