Jesus borne of a Virgin. Do YOU believe?

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Yes, absolutely, without a single doubt!!

Is it not true that God can do anything?šŸ˜ƒ
 
Why not? Sure, I believeā€¦ there are definitely a fair few others with the same story, so whatā€™s the harm? šŸ™‚

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I love the argument that says that the word can also mean ā€œyoung womanā€ or "maiden.ā€™

Some prophacy that would be

A woman shall bear a childā€¦no kidding!
 
Hi

We Muslim believe that Jesus was born of a Virgin Mary, only on witnessing of Allah in Quran and **Allah is sufficient for witnessing;**that is about the conception only, otherwise Mary gave birth to child quite naturally. It was a normal delivery though.

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paarsurrey said:
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We Muslim believe that Jesus was born of a Virgin Mary, only on witnessing of Allah in Quran and **Allah is sufficient for witnessing;**that is about the conception only, otherwise Mary gave birth to child quite naturally. It was a normal delivery though.

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How can an immaculate conception be considered ā€˜normalā€™? And how can giving birth to a child without human fertilization be considered ā€˜naturalā€™?
 
cathopologist said:
How can an immaculate conception be considered ā€˜normalā€™? And how can giving birth to a child without human fertilization be considered ā€˜naturalā€™?
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Mary delivered the Child herself without the least aid of a midwife or a physician or any other human being; that is a natural delivery, in my opinion. It had no abnormality;you would agree.

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paarsurrey said:
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Mary delivered the Child herself without the least aid of a midwife or a physician or any other human being; that is a natural delivery, in my opinion. It had no abnormality;you would agree.

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Thatā€™s the least of my concern. There are thousands of cases where pregnant women have delivered their babies without any aid of any kind. What i am concerned about is how you defined the immaculate conception as being ā€˜normalā€™ as if implying she had been impregnated by someone.
 
cathopologist said:
Thatā€™s the least of my concern. There are thousands of cases where pregnant women have delivered their babies without any aid of any kind. What i am concerned about is how you defined the immaculate conception as being ā€˜normalā€™ as if implying she had been impregnated by someone.
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Kindly read my post again. I believe only from Quran that Mary conceived a child as a Virgin only from witnessing of GodAllahYHWH; otherwise there wan no witness and there could be no witness in this case. Allahā€™s witnessing is sufficient and needs nobody elseā€™s witnessing. It is always like that.

As for the delivery, it was quite normal and had no abnormalty, as I mentioned earlier.

There are legends in other nations that their religious hero was born from the mouth; which is only superstitious. There is nothing like this with Jesus. He was born quite naturally.

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I donā€™t know.
I would have no problem believing it, Iā€™m sure itā€™s possible in some way.
I donā€™t really think about it alot.
I donā€™t want to be a contrarian so Iā€™ll say ā€œsureā€.
 
YES I believe Jesus was born from the Virgin Mary, our spiritual mother.

The Old Testament states it.

**Isaiah 7:14-16
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**14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. **

15 Butter and honey shall he eat, when he knoweth to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land whose two kings thou abhorrest shall be forsaken.

The New Testament confirms it.

Matthew 1:18-23

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.

19 And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.

20 But when he thought on these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.

21 And she shall bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name JESUS; for it is he that shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this is come to pass, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us.
 
ralphinal said:
I love the argument that says that the word can also mean ā€œyoung womanā€ or "maiden.ā€™

Some prophacy that would be

A woman shall bear a childā€¦no kidding!
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Actually, that word (in Hebrew, at least) didnā€™t mean just ANY young woman, but ā€˜young woman of royal birthā€™ ā€¦in this case, of the line of David.

That narrows it down a bit.
 
cathopologist said:
Thatā€™s the least of my concern. There are thousands of cases where pregnant women have delivered their babies without any aid of any kind. What i am concerned about is how you defined the immaculate conception as being ā€˜normalā€™ as if implying she had been impregnated by someone.
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I have looked up in the Wiktionary for the word ā€œimmaculate conceptionā€; it defines it :
The doctrine, in the Roman Catholic Church, that the Virgin Mary was conceived free from original sin.

In Islam we believe that every child conceived under a legal marriage called nikah is free from any sin. There is no concept of any original sin in Islam. I think Judaism alos have no concept of any original sin.

This also seems to be an invention of Paul, in my opinion.

I have already mentioned that Virgin Mary conceived the child, it is mentioned in Quran by Allah, and for us it is a sufficient witnessing; needing no other witnessing. I donā€™t think there could be no third party witnessing for conception.

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paarsurrey said:
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I have looked up in the Wiktionary for the word ā€œimmaculate conceptionā€; it defines it :
The doctrine, in the Roman Catholic Church, that the Virgin Mary was conceived free from original sin.

In Islam we believe that every child conceived under a legal marriage called nikah is free from any sin. There is no concept of any original sin in Islam. I think Judaism alos have no concept of any original sin.

This also seems to be an invention of Paul, in my opinion.

I have already mentioned that Virgin Mary conceived the child, it is mentioned in Quran by Allah, and for us it is a sufficient witnessing; needing no other witnessing. I donā€™t think there could be no third party witnessing for conception.

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Sometimes i really need to re-check what i type. I apologize for the confusion. What i meant is how you defined the miraculous conception of Jesus as if Mary had been impregnated by someone or something other than the Holy Spirit.

Jews do not interpret original sin as how Christians do, but some Rabbiā€™s do teach that death is a form of punishment or curse on mankind because of Adamā€™s sin - thereby passing on that curse onto the next born child.

Paul was a Jewish Christian, paarsurrey. He was not a ā€˜factory-madeā€™ Christian, so all that gobbledygook that he invented Christianity is a figment of your imagination. A Christian is one who follows Christā€™s teachings and lives by the example.
 
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