This passage is similar to Matt18:23-35
34And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Now let me ask you. What was due the king from the evil servant. He had already been forgiven his debt in v. 27. The fact is that this is talking about our relationships with one another and how those relationships affect our relationship with God.
Yes, but there is also another lesson in this parable. Jesus makes it clear that one can be forgiven all of a debt, yet incur the consequence again that was set aside. This kinda flies in the face of OSAS.
Yes, purgatory is only about the temporal consequences of sins. I am behind in the thread, so probably this point has already been made.
You will see that the evil servant was handed over “to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.” Well when we are in the hands of the tormentors there is no way for us to pay our debt except with our death.
This is simply a false statement, Richard. God allows plenty of temporal suffering, even from His most faithful servants. Not all of them suffer physical death as a result.
Rom6:23 23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. So the king did not hand the evil servant over to the tormentors because of the debt previeously owed or because he thought he would be paid for that debt, but because of his lack of compassion and mercy, he himself received the justice he deserved in the first place.
Yes. However, the consequence of his lack of mercy was that he was then held responsible for the original debt. It is along the lines that when one violates on part of the law, one violates the whole law.
That justice was the wages of sin, death.
This is the same principal with Matthew 5:25-26 You cannot pay what is owed when you are in prison.
This is another falsehood, most likely emanating from an ignorance of history. On the contrary, this is exactly what a “debtor’s prison” is. One remains in bondage until the last penny of the debt is owed.
So what is required of you at this point is your death.
A faulty conclusion, based upon a faulty premise.
The theory that sins can be paid for by prayer either ours or others is a fabrication of the CC and is nonsense.
Well, there are many ways to cover sins. However, all are based in the blood of the Lamb. However, we are not talking here about the payment for the sin, but the payment for the consequences of the sin. As you correctly noted, the effect of the sin on relationships and society.
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Do you imagine that satisfying the temporal consequences for sin can be done any other way than through Christ?
The builers works and not the builder. The fire here talked about is the fire of the judgment of God. Heb.12:29For our God is a consuming fire.
Our deeds are a reflection of who we are. We have all produced some works that are not pleasing to God. I agree, though, the fire is the judgement of God. This is what Purgatory is about. It is the purging, or purifying of anything in us, or of us, that is not worthy of heaven.
The works withstanding the fire of God or not talks about wether or not those that we witness to (our works) have been told the truth according to the word of God and walk in the righteousness of Christ and can withstand the fire of God or have they been taught error according to the word of man and cannot.
I am having trouble making sense out of this.
