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MaryHelp777
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Google the Miracle of Laciano
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MaryHelp777
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The Vatican permitted scientific tests on two Eucharistic miracles also, and proved that the blood in the Eucharistic Miracles were blood type AB also, of the same person, of the Heart tissue, same blood type as.the Turin Shroud)
Phorensic pollen analysis on the Shroud places the Shroud in Jerusalem 2017 years ago, and proves.it was used for anointing a body for burial also,
And proves it was in all the historical locations on earth with the correct dates in history (of where Shroud history says.the Shroud was hidden throughout.the centuries
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Maryhelp777
Have you got any links or refs I can follow up on pollen analysis for the shroud?
Thanks. Not YouTube or film though as I can’t do that on this device. Just written.
Btw do you mean forensic?
Have you got any links or refs I can follow up on pollen analysis for the shroud?
Thanks. Not YouTube or film though as I can’t do that on this device. Just written.
Btw do you mean forensic?
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Tim_D
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That still doesn’t constitute “proof” that it is the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. The Vatican would never make that kind of pronouncement.
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Dead bodies do not leave photographic quality images on their grave cloths. But forensic pathologists have concluded that the image on the Shroud is that of a dead human body.
Now if there were other “shrouds” with images of their corpses then we could not say for certain that the particular linen that is kept in Turin belonged to Jesus.
But there is none, no shroud of Julius Caesar, or John the Baptist, or Elijah, or Moses, or St Francis, etc. etc.
An incredible amount of forensic evidence is found on the Shroud. If it was a case that was put before a jury in a court of law, the verdict would be “burial linen of Jesus” beyond a reasonable doubt. In short, the evidence is there and is not lacking.
But, wait. There is more to come.
The Shroud has been full of surprises. The first was in 1898 when Secondo Pia took the first photograph of it giving the religious world a shock. He was accused of forgery and even witchcraft.
Then in 1978 the USA’s best scientists were unable to say how the image was formed after a week long investigation using tons of equipment.
Now we have a forewarning of what may be to come. The Historically Consistent Hypothesis holds that the C-14 content of the Shroud’s linen was greatly enhanced by the neutron radiation that occurred when Jesus’ corpse disappeared from His tomb.
If that theory is correct, then no part of the Shroud will carbon date to any more than about 800 years old. And those dates will only be obtained from the samples that were furthest from our Lord’s body when it vanished, i.e. the corners of the Shroud. The prediction is that for every inch that a Shroud sample is closer to the image, the C-14 date will be about 100 years younger. A sample taken from the center of the body image would have so much C-14, that it would carbon date not only to the present time, but actually into the future.
So if one really needs a final, irrefutable proof the Shroud of Turin is the actual burial cloth of Jesus, that will be it.
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Someone earlier on this system did indeed remark that one test placed the Shroud in the 8000s AD.
We don’t know what happens during a resurrection, so what sort of energy is produced would be guesswork.
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We don’t know what happens during a resurrection, so what sort of energy is produced would be guesswork.
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The_Serpent
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Yes, you could go around testing various relics, for DNA matches. But, should we?
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The_Serpent
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If I understand your view correctly. When Jesus body was in the tomb, there was no divinity present? That is, … no Essence?
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If Christs body just disappeared from inside the shroud, why would it leave any kind of trace or evidence behind though, I would think since he is divine and the supernatural cannot be scientifically proven or explained, there would be no trace or evidence of the actual process of his body vanishing.
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The Historically Consistent Hypothesis holds that a very small percentage of our Lord’s body did not vanish into an alternate dimension but simply dissolved into its elemental particles: protons and neutrons.
As the Shroud collapsed into the vacuum where the body was, the thermal proton radiation created that image of our Lord’s body that we know so well.
The neutron flux had a preservation effect on the Shroud’s linen fibers and also caused some of the nitrogen in the linen to convert into carbon 14.
This theory is supported by the scientific evidence that has been found on the Shroud. Subjecting samples of the Shroud from different locations to carbon 14 dating could confirm it.*
In my opinion, the HCH theory is the best that we have to date to explain the mysterious image and the strange C-14 dating results.
As to why this happened, I can only guess that our Creator wanted to leave us with an enduring sign that He had been here on the earth in a physical human body.
Perhaps the Shroud is the mysterious “Sign of Jonah” that He spoke of giving to an entire generation.
*TEST THE SHROUD, Antonacci, 2015
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Please explain this, who is this “present Prince John”?I guess I’m a lil spoiled though as I’ve seen the lineage from Jesus to the present Prince John. Not just Adam to Jesus so maybe I’m a little “on the inside”
God Bless.
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Some of the Eucharistic miracles have actually grown into tissue that has been tested, the results of those tests reveal heart tissue from a person who was horribly tortured before death according to a leading forensic cardiologist.
loamagazine.org/nr/the_main_topic/eucharistic_miracle_in_buenos.html
(There are also YouTube videos)
therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html
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billcu1
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The Crown Prince OF Israel. He would be King if the kings were put back in power. When they called Jesus a King they weren’t joking.
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billcu1
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I read the wikipedia article. It wasn’t IMO too favorable. I say it is lacking a lot from the actual investigation. I see they typed it to AB. They should definitely do a DNA match. Maybe we can make some believers. Is this blood still there?
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ChineseCatholic
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Actually i just realized I made a grave error when I first responded to this thread.
Blood cells are Enucleated - as in they Lose their Nucleus during their maturation cycle.
Since the nucleus is the"storage unit" for DNA (except for the bits held by mitochondria), Red Blood Cells have no DNA to test.
The only thing that could be viablely tested then is the flesh at Lanciano against whatever could be pulled off the Shroud.
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billcu1
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I was thinking that. But not sure. There is no nucleus, no. Some cells have organelles in the cytoplasm. The golgi apparatus, mitochondria and such. Red blood cells I’m not sure. Human red blood cells no, no nucleus. Unlike some mammals. THere are some that have claimed that have pulled, as the subject of this thread; DNA. And mitochondria are specifically mentioned. It’s strictly inherited from the mother.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrion
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MaryHelp777
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Well the science has said Pollen on the Shroud places it in Jerusalem 2017 years ago, with pollen from plants used for a Jewish funeral, and pollen from all the countries and locations that Shroud History has said the Shroud was hidden through the centuries.
Science has spoken.
The Vatican’s quietness doesn’t mean disapproval,
You choose to ignore scientific evidence that is irrevocable and ignore one of the greatest relics on earth???
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Fiasco
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Blood type AB is good evidence because it points towards the Middle East where type AB is common. But on its own, it’s not enough. Not that you said it is. (In a way, better evidence would be if the Shroud blood and the Lanciano blood and the others were all to belong to some extremely rare group.) The latest alleged Eucharistic miracle in Argentina might be interesting.
The Church has to exercise prudence, and so should we. So you’re a bit unfair to Tim.Science has spoken.
The Vatican’s quietness doesn’t mean disapproval,
You choose to ignore scientific evidence that is irrevocable and ignore one of the greatest relics on earth???
Personally, i’d be happy if Science can prove once and for all that the image is not a painted forgery. That’d silence the claims of the late Walter McCrone and his followers, Joe Nickell and other Shroud sceptics.
Something which gave me the horrors when the C14 dating results were announced was the claim that they sent “shockwaves” through the Church.
Baloney!!!
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billcu1
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I would think that science is so…perfect. But they already know there’s no paint there. No traces of any kind. The image isn’t even 1 fiber of linen thick. They say a razor bblade would take it away. They say you have to be 10 feet away to see a clear image.
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