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annad347
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Thank God, God is more forgiving then man.
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po18guy
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Ah, but the truth is so much less acceptable than one’s own preferences. As well, biblical exegesis must include more than just a dictionary. Might as well use Google Translate.
A little experiment: Type a sentence into Google Translate. Then translate it from language to language 4 or 5 times, then back to English. Can you still recognize it?
A little experiment: Type a sentence into Google Translate. Then translate it from language to language 4 or 5 times, then back to English. Can you still recognize it?
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stpurl
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No, it makes the husband a liar. The sacrament is still a sacrament regardless of whether afterward the spouses honored their vows or not.
The whole thing with annulment or decree of nullity isn’t that it makes the marriage invalid or says it didn’t happen. It says that at the time of the vows (not afterward) the people making the vows for some reason were not capable of understanding or consent, either from their own fault or from a spouse not giving them information which they knew of and which would have kept the spouse from marrying them.
A shotgun wedding could be invalid because the groom did not consent of his free will.
A marriage of two people, one of whom knew he or she was a compulsive gambler, drunkard, etc. could be invalid.
BUT. . .two people who were free to marry and understood consent, but later the husband (or wife) got ‘tired of’ the spouse, or turned to drink after never drinking in the past, probably will not be invalid simply on those criteria. It sounds harsh (and those of us who have been through the process know there is always a chance that the marriage will be held valid, and have to be prepared to live with that validity even if we don’t live with the spouse having divorced)= but it truly is not.
Remember, if your spouse is assaulting or otherwise abusing you, you don’t have to stay. And a divorce will not be ‘your fault’. It is rare for this kind of case not to be granted nullity because people do not usually suddenly ‘change’ in adulthood so drastically and it’s likely that John the wife abuser as a man was Johnny whose parents and teachers saw him bullying others. . .meaning, the abuse propensity existed before marriage, etc. etc.
God is not ‘more forgiving’ in the sense that ‘The Church says no” but God will then say, “oh forget that, I say yes”. There is such a thing as presumption (a lot of people want to presume that God, understanding how special they are, won’t hold them to ‘rules’, and God won’t forgive somebody who doesn’t even ASK for forgiveness, though if they DO ask, God would even pardon Adolf Hitler or Theodore McCarrick whereas ‘man’ would consider them total losses with NO chance of forgiveness. But forgiveness must be asked for.
The whole thing with annulment or decree of nullity isn’t that it makes the marriage invalid or says it didn’t happen. It says that at the time of the vows (not afterward) the people making the vows for some reason were not capable of understanding or consent, either from their own fault or from a spouse not giving them information which they knew of and which would have kept the spouse from marrying them.
A shotgun wedding could be invalid because the groom did not consent of his free will.
A marriage of two people, one of whom knew he or she was a compulsive gambler, drunkard, etc. could be invalid.
BUT. . .two people who were free to marry and understood consent, but later the husband (or wife) got ‘tired of’ the spouse, or turned to drink after never drinking in the past, probably will not be invalid simply on those criteria. It sounds harsh (and those of us who have been through the process know there is always a chance that the marriage will be held valid, and have to be prepared to live with that validity even if we don’t live with the spouse having divorced)= but it truly is not.
Remember, if your spouse is assaulting or otherwise abusing you, you don’t have to stay. And a divorce will not be ‘your fault’. It is rare for this kind of case not to be granted nullity because people do not usually suddenly ‘change’ in adulthood so drastically and it’s likely that John the wife abuser as a man was Johnny whose parents and teachers saw him bullying others. . .meaning, the abuse propensity existed before marriage, etc. etc.
God is not ‘more forgiving’ in the sense that ‘The Church says no” but God will then say, “oh forget that, I say yes”. There is such a thing as presumption (a lot of people want to presume that God, understanding how special they are, won’t hold them to ‘rules’, and God won’t forgive somebody who doesn’t even ASK for forgiveness, though if they DO ask, God would even pardon Adolf Hitler or Theodore McCarrick whereas ‘man’ would consider them total losses with NO chance of forgiveness. But forgiveness must be asked for.
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annad347
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please define The Church in this sentence.
God is more forgiving then man. God can read a our minds and hearts where man can not. God is fair and just where man is not. God can say yes when man says no. God does know how special we are and God made the rules God can change them. God can do anything that man can not understand.
I’m sorry but we do not know what happened to Adolf Hitler or Theodore McCarrick any more then we know what happened to Judas.
I’m sorry you had to go through this process… I’m sorry this experience is personal for you.
some people make it seem as if divorce is an unforgivable sin in the Catholic church.
God Bless.
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otjm
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Correct. The Jews lived in a theocracy.
We don’t, so we have civil law as well as Church law.
A civil divorce does not end the marriage as the Church understands it, but may be used in some circumstances. A point not well understood, not only by Catholics, but just about everyone else.
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