Jesus gives us His Own Mother as Mediatrix of all Graces

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I’m so glad, LovingLight. It’s beautiful that we all have the same Mother in the order of grace, and that she unites us to our Savior as Vatican II says.

Here is something I just read from Pope Leo XIII’s encyclical Iucunda Semper, about how we can receive the fulness of Jesus’s Mercy through Mary and the Rosary:

"Now, this merciful office of hers, perhaps, appears in no other form of prayer so manifestly as it does in the Rosary. For in the Rosary all the part that Mary took as our co-Redemptress comes to us, as it were, set forth, and in such wise as though the facts were even then taking place; and this with much profit to our piety, whether in the contemplation of the succeeding sacred mysteries, or in the prayers which we speak and repeat with the lips. First come the Joyful Mysteries. The Eternal Son of God stoops to mankind, putting on its nature; but with the assent of Mary, who conceives Him by the Holy Ghost…
  1. If in all this series of Mysteries, Venerable Brethren, are developed the counsels of God in regard to us - “counsels of wisdom and of tenderness” (St. Bernard) - not less apparent is the greatness of the benefits for which we are debtors to the Virgin Mother. No man can meditate upon these without feeling a new awakening in his heart of confidence that he will certainly obtain through Mary the fulness of the mercies of God.
    Iucunda Semper Expectatione (September 8, 1894) | LEO XIII
 
Vonsalza said:
Mary is absolutely worthy of adoration.
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It is completely contrary to Catholicism to claim that Mary is adored. Only God is adored.

Latria, the supreme worship of adoration, is only due to God.
You quote Trent
JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD, WHO ALONE IS OUR REDEEMER,

This is the clear teaching of the Church.
 
Thnk u so much! I have saved your responses for further self study. I was told by a Priest one time that any devotion to Our Mother should bring us closer to her Son. Personally i believe that Mary loves us because she loves her Son and she sees Him within us. Our Lord loved her and He gave us his own Mother out of love for us. I find so much consolation in her and the Holy Trinity…as my dad was so mean i couldnt even call God Father for most of my life.

I unite many of my sorrows to the 7 Sorrows of Mary and it helps me to see her humanity and Our Lords humanity/Divinity in a new light as the price she also paid seeing her own Son suffer so that we might be saved was an act of love for us…part of her Fiat…i love having a Mother i can fully trust and depend on. As i know Mary i know Jesus even more…im just so grateful to the Church i lived most my life in darkness and now i finally feel peace even though many problems are the same.

Thnk u and God bless
 
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Vonsalza:
Mary is absolutely worthy of adoration.
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It is completely contrary to Catholicism to claim that Mary is adored. Only God is adored.

Latria, the supreme worship of adoration, is only due to God.
You quote Trent
JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD, WHO ALONE IS OUR REDEEMER,

This is the clear teaching of the Church.
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Noel, did ya actually read my post?

Perhaps I used the wrong word, but I think my point is fairly clear.
 
“NoelFitz said:
Jesus is our Saviour. We are not saved by the life of Mary, she did not suffer and die for us.
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agreed, but Noel, what I think you mean here is, you aren’t able to distinguish Mary’s role as recognized by the Catholic Church from Jesus’ role as you recognize it.

Start with this undeniable truth: It’s not through Jesus that the world receives salvation it’s through Mary. No other.

It’s not through Jesus the world receives Grace, it’s through Mary.
That’s because Jesus is Grace and is salvation. Through Mary the world received Jesus. In the Christ Event eternity entered time and human history. So, these particulars were true then and true now.
NoelFitz said:
it needlessly offends Protestants and does not add anything to our Faith.
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we should be sensitive to the sensibilities of Protestants for sure. On the other hand, should we really not follow our faith where it leads us if it offends some folks?
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They are justified freely by his grace through the redemption in Christ Jesus (Rom. 3:24 NAB).
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agreed
 
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Lovinglight,

Your witness to Mary’s love in uniting us to Jesus Christ is so heartwarming and enlightening. I like how you say you love having a Mother you can fully trust and depend on. I knew for years that Mary is the New Eve, but I didn’t really know her until I read True Devotion to Mary and the Glories of Mary. Like you, I found the Mother I’d always needed, and who had always been with me, helping me in everything.

I’m sorry you went through such trauma. But I’m so glad that the Lord helped you through His Mother to find everything you need and could ever want and thirst and hunger for.

You are right, as the Popes and Vatican II tell us, Mary consented the immolation of her Divine Son on the Cross for our sake. She love us so much she gave up her own Divine Son, our Savior so that we could be saved.

Her role of course is entirely dependent on Jesus Christ the One Mediator. But we can never understand the depth of her union with her Spouse, the Holy Spirit, and her Son, Jesus Christ, and her Father.

As St. Alphonsus Liguori says, he who finds Mary finds everything–every grace and mercy in Jesus Christ, the One Mediator with the Father.

One doesn’t need a theology degree or to be a real good reader or anything to have Jesus through Mary. They simply need, like you, to run to her, to go to her Immaculate Heart.

She is the unique channel of all Christ’s Infinite Mercy, which is why Vatican II affirmed that she is–by Christ’s own will and power–“the cause of our salvation”.

Peace to you an all who love our Mother!
 
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Here two topics seem to be discussed: Mary as Co-redeemer and as Mediator of All Graces.

One could argue all of us are co-redeemers.

Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church (Col. 1:24 NAB).

Perhaps it is worth recalling what St Augustine wrote, reminding us we are all co-redeemers:
“God created us without us, but he did not will to save us without us.”

One sees http://www.motherofallpeoples.com/2012/11/can-we-participate-in-redemption-did-mary/
Lumen Gentium instructs that the secondary and subordinate participation in the one mediation of Christ in no way diminishes the glory of Christ the one mediator, but, on the contrary manifests the glory of the one Mediator himself (cf. LG 60, 61, 62).
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Benadam
You wrote:
Start with this undeniable truth: It’s not through Jesus that the world receives salvation it’s through Mary. No other.
Did Mary have no parents did she suddenly appear on earth?

The Bible tells us those from whom Jesus descended, and some were not reputable including a prostitute and a traitor ( (Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, Bathsheba).
 
Yes, through Mary–and in no way without her sweet help–we are all called to help save souls.

The difference between Mary and everyone else is that–as the saints like Bernard and Maxilimilan Kolbe tell us–she is the Mediatrix of all graces.

Popes like Blessed Pius IX, Pius X, Leo XIII, Benedict XV, Pius XI, Pius XII, etc, tell us that every grace we receive comes through Mary*.

She is the new beginning. She is the Immaculate Conception. She is–as Pope Pius XII and John Paul II, for example, tell us–the Spouse of the Holy Spirit.

As Vatican II tells us, “there is a union of Jesus and Mary in the work of our salvation”–Mary being subordinate to Christ, and “brings us the gifts of salvation” from him.

As Pope Pius IX tells us in the bull defining the Immaculate Conception, Mary is holier than all the rest of creation together–this is also very strongly confirmed by Leo XIII–and one cannot even imagine a greater goodness than Mary besides God himself.

Here are some passages from Pius IX Innefabilis Deus that help us to understand the awesome goodness of our Mother in the order of grace:

“From the very beginning, and before time began, the eternal Father chose and prepared for his only-begotten Son a Mother in whom the Son of God would become incarnate and from whom, in the blessed fullness of time, he would be born into this world. Above all creatures did God so loved her that truly in her was the Father well pleased with singular delight. Therefore, far above all the angels and all the saints so wondrously did God endow her with the abundance of all heavenly gifts poured from the treasury of his divinity that this mother, ever absolutely free of all stain of sin, all fair and perfect, would possess that fullness of holy innocence and sanctity than which, under God, one cannot even imagine anything greater, and which, outside of God, no mind can succeed in comprehending fully.”

 
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NoelFitz said:
Did Mary have no parents did she suddenly appear on earth?
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No, but it’s the Incarnation that separates the ages and Mary’s Holy parents are on the other side.

Infinite regress doesn’t apply because original sin separates the old age, when all had original sin from the new one with Baptism.
I know the list of ancestors would be mentioned. Fair question.

An angel didn’t start the Incarnation with Mary’s great great grandparents. The project didn’t begin in some ancestors womb, start the immaculata soul cleansing line until Mary’s turn then they all conceive God in Mary’s womb. No offense intended Noel.
NoelFitz said:
The Bible tells us those from whom Jesus descended, and some were not reputable including a prostitute and a traitor ( (Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, Bathsheba).
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That’s actually affirming that perhaps the pagans are in the blood of Jesus. It doesn’t matter their reputation because of the Immaculate Conception. death never felt so much pressure from a human foot.
 
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NoelFitz said:
Perhaps it is worth recalling what St Augustine wrote, reminding us we are all co-redeemers:
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God offers grace that can make our suffering redemptive but not co-redeemers imo
NoelFitz said:
God created us without us, but he did not will to save us without us.”
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I don’t see what this has to do with co-redemptive suffering.
It offers a reason for God allowing us to participate in our own salvation. It means even the average Joe can receive Grace that makes suffering redemptive.

I think the suffering of both persons must be made, by a special condition, into one. That one anothers sacrifice make ’ in a special way.’ a single offering. imo

Do you know she is the only person who’s suffering is united to her Son’s suffering in prophecy?
Luke 2
34 Then Simeon blessed them and said to his mother Mary, “This child is destined for the falling and the rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be opposed 35 so that the inner thoughts of many will be revealed—and a sword will pierce your own soul too.”
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Benadam,
Thanks for your continuing interest.
This thread is ambiguous as two issues are being considered, Mary co-redeemer and mediatrix of all graces.
I quoted St Augustine to show all of us are in a sense co-redeemers.
A sword has pierced the souls of many mothers throughout history, not only that of Mary.
 
“Co-redemptrix”–as Pope Leo XIII calls Mary in the Enclyclical Iucunda Semper–has more to do with Mary’s being the worthy Mother of God, who therefore is united with Jesus Christ in saving us (Vatican II)

“Mediatrix of All Graces” has more to do with how Mary is the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, and thus distributes every grace.

Since Mary was made worthy to be the Mother of God, no other love or sorrow can be compared to Mary’s love or sorrow for her Son or for each human person.

It is through Mary that all other sorrows have redemptive meaning. This is why Vatican II affirms that Mary became “the cause of our salvation”.
 
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Does Our Lady mediate literally ALL grace… sacramental grace? The grace of absolution? The consecration of the Eucharist? The graces of baptism? In one sense I suppose She must, for Christ took flesh from Her, and the Church, as His mystical body, is the continuation of the Incarnation… thus the sacramental graces that flow to us through the Church ultimately flowed from Her. But in terms of Her active role in Heaven as intercessor, do the graces of the sacraments depend upon Her mediation? Or do we mean that only the distribution of all actual graces flow through Her?
 
Hi twf,

Yes, every grace, including sacramental grace.

We might assume this is too radical. But it is all rooted in the fact that Mary conceived Jesus Christ through her union with God the Holy Spirit–who is her Spouse, as Pope St. JPII says.

And Pope Leo XIII reminds us that Jesus is Mary’s own flesh and blood.:

“She offered to mankind, hastening to eternal ruin, a Saviour, at that moment when she received the announcement of the mystery of peace brought to this earth by the Angel, with that admirable act of consent in the name of the whole human race (Summa. p. III, q. xxx., art. 1). She it is from whom is born Jesus; she is therefore truly His mother, and for this reason a worthy and acceptable “Mediatrix to the Mediator.” As the various mysteries present themselves one after the other in the formula of the Rosary for the meditation and contemplation of men’s minds, they also elucidate what we owe to Mary for our reconciliation and salvation. No one can fail to be sweetly affected when considering her who appeared in the house of Elizabeth as the minister of the divine gifts, and who presented her Son to the Shepherds, to the kings, and to Simeon. Moreover, one must remember that the Blood of Christ shed for our sake and those members in which He offers to His Father the wounds He received, the price of our liberty, are no other than the flesh and blood of the virgin, since the flesh of Jesus is the flesh of Mary, and however much it was exalted in the glory of His resurrection, nevertheless the nature of His flesh derived from Mary remained and still remains the same (de Assumpt. B. V. M., c.v., among the Opera S. Aug).”
http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xi...iii_enc_20091896_fidentem-piumque-animum.html
 
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But in terms of the “distribution” of graces, or perhaps better the “temporal mediation” (how graces are distributed to each of us in time and space… in a particular moment and place), is Our Lady actively involved in every case? I can see how the sacraments trace back to her, so to speak, in that they are mediated through the mystical body of her Son, whom she brought into the world… but when I receive holy communion or receive absolution, are the graces received in that particular moment given to me directly by Our Lady through the priest? I could see that being the case for actual graces… all actual graces “pass through her hands” in the moment, so to speak.
 
Yes, Our Mother actively distributes every sacramental grace–and every other grace–in particular moments in time and space. She and her Divine Spouse are constantly mediating giving new graces to us.

It’s not just that she was united to Jesus in the work of our salvation (as Vat II says) in the past. She–as Vatican II says–continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.
 
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Jesus is the only mediator between man and God, yes. But all of us, as baptized Christians who have “put on Christ”, are called to share in His ministry as mediator. This applies most perfectly to Our Lady.
 
That’s right. And, as Pope Pius IX says, we cannot even conceive of a greater goodness than Mary besides God.

Here is a relevant passage from Pope St. Pius X’s Encyclical Ad Diem Illum:

"14. We are then, it will be seen, very far from attributing to the Mother of God a productive power of grace - a power which belongs to God alone. Yet, since Mary carries it over all in holiness and union with Jesus Christ, and has been associated by Jesus Christ in the work of redemption, she merits for us de congruo, in the language of theologians, what Jesus Christ merits for us de condigno, and she is the supreme Minister of the distribution of graces. Jesus “sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high” (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the right hand of her Son - a refuge so secure and a help so trusty against all dangers that we have nothing to fear or to despair of under her guidance, her patronage, her protection. (Pius IX. in Bull Ineffabilis).
  1. These principles laid down, and to return to our design, who will not see that we have with good reason claimed for Mary that - as the constant companion of Jesus from the house at Nazareth to the height of Calvary, as beyond all others initiated to the secrets of his Heart, and as the distributor, by right of her Motherhood, of the treasures of His merits, - she is, for all these reasons, a most sure and efficacious assistance to us for arriving at the knowledge and love of Jesus Christ. Those, alas! furnish us by their conduct with a peremptory proof of it, who seduced by the wiles of the demon or deceived by false doctrines think they can do without the help of the Virgin. Hapless are they who neglect Mary under pretext of the honor to be paid to Jesus Christ! As if the Child could be found elsewhere than with the Mother!"
    http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-x...x_enc_02021904_ad-diem-illum-laetissimum.html
 
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patricius79 said:
Yes, Our Mother actively distributes every sacramental grace–and every other grace–in particular moments in time and space. She and her Divine Spouse are constantly mediating giving new graces to us.

It’s not just that she was united to Jesus in the work of our salvation (as Vat II says) in the past. She–as Vatican II says–continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.
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I’ve seen Mary referred to as “Spouse of the Holy Spirit,” but surely not that of Jesus her Son.
 
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