Jesus had brothers??????

[wisdomseeker]

onmywayagain;3158113:

I pray that after reading below will open your eyes.​

Question: “Did Jesus have brothers and sisters (siblings)?”

Answer: Jesus’ brothers are mentioned in several Bible verses. Matthew 12:46, Luke 8:19, and Mark 3:31 say that Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see Him. The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). The Bible also tells us that Jesus had sisters, but they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:56). In John 7:1-10, His brothers go on to the festival while Jesus stays behind. In Acts 1:14, His brothers and mother are described as praying with the disciples. Later, in Galatians 1:19, it mentions that James was Jesus’ brother. The most natural conclusion of these passages is to interpret that Jesus had actual blood siblings.

Some Roman Catholics claim that these “brothers” were actually Jesus’ cousins. However, in each instance, the specific Greek word for “brother” is used. While the word can refer to other relatives, its normal and literal meaning is a physical brother. There was a Greek word for cousin, and it was not used. Further, if they were Jesus’ cousins, why would they so often be described as being with Mary, Jesus’ mother? There is nothing in the context of His mother and brothers coming to see Him that even hints that they were anyone other than His literal, blood-related half-brothers.

A second Roman Catholic argument is that Jesus’ brothers and sisters were the children of Joseph from a previous marriage, before he married Mary. An entire theory of Joseph’s being significantly older than Mary, having been previously married, having multiple children, and then being widowed before marrying Mary is invented. The problem with this is that the Bible does not even hint that Joseph was married or had children before he married Mary. If Joseph had at least six children before he married Mary, why are they not mentioned in Joseph and Mary’s trip to Bethlehem (Luke 2:4-7) or their trip to Egypt (Matthew 2:13-15) or their trip back to Nazareth (Matthew 2:20-23)?

There is no Biblical reason to believe that these siblings are anything other than the actual children of Joseph and Mary. Those who oppose the idea that Jesus had half-brothers and half-sisters do so, not from a reading of Scripture, but from a preconceived concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary, which is itself clearly unbiblical: “But he (Joseph) had no union with her (Mary) UNTIL she gave birth to a son. And he gave Him the name Jesus” (Matthew 1:25). Jesus had half-siblings, half-brothers and half-sisters, who were the children of Joseph and Mary. That is the clear and unambiguous teaching of God’s Word.

source- gotquestions.org/Jesus-siblings.html

Heresies! watch out!
Jesus had no blood brothers or sisters. PLease go to martignoni website Bible Christian Society he has a teaching on this and he is catholic. Joseph was not married before. Mary had a special mission here on earth which was to bear a son to the Living God. she is considered the Ark of the new covenant. She was called a Virgen, that mean she was a virgen before and after.

 

[area52]

I sometimes wonder if you joined this Forum just to exasperate Catholics. If Zechariah was right, according to Sacred Tradition, about the soldier’s lance piercing the side of Christ after He died on the Cross, and about Jesus being a “firstborn” child, then obviously the prophet was also right about Jesus being “an only son” of Mary. What else could the prophet mean about Jesus being “an only son” other than he was Mary’s only child? As long as you hate Catholicism, your prejudice will keep you blind from the truth.

Pax vobiscum
Good Fella

The prophet Zechariah was exact in his prophecy.
Mary was the virgin who gave birth to a son Jesus (i.e. ‘firstborn’), the ‘an only son’ who was pierced by a soldier at the cross. Because, Mary had other son(s) who were not pierced.

Zechariah was saying that the ‘firstborn’ and ‘an only son’ who pierced by a soldier is the prophesy of Jesus. His brother was not of course can be called ‘firstborn’ for they are not ‘first’, but ‘second’ or ‘third’, for Jesus had several ‘half’ brothers and sisters.

I say ‘half’, because His father is God in Heaven. His siblings father is Joseph. Mathew1:25 says that Joseph did not have intimate relationship (i.e sexual) UNTIL she gave birth. This mean that after Jesus was born, they had sexual intimacy.

If you say to your child, ‘you can not play game UNTIL you finish your homework’, I’m sure that your child understood the meaning of the word UNTIL. Therefore, it should not be hard to us to understand that Joseph and Mary had other children.

[Mat 1:25] But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

 

[wisdomseeker]

The prophet Zechariah was exact in his prophecy.
Mary was the virgin who gave birth to a son Jesus (i.e. ‘firstborn’), the ‘an only son’ who was pierced by a soldier at the cross. Because, Mary had other son(s) who were not pierced.

Zechariah was saying that the ‘firstborn’ and ‘an only son’ who pierced by a soldier is the prophesy of Jesus. His brother was not of course can be called ‘firstborn’ for they are not ‘first’, but ‘second’ or ‘third’, for Jesus had several ‘half’ brothers and sisters.

I say ‘half’, because His father is God in Heaven. His siblings father is Joseph. Mathew1:25 says that Joseph did not have intimate relationship (i.e sexual) UNTIL she gave birth. This mean that after Jesus was born, they had sexual intimacy.

If you say to your child, ‘you can not play game UNTIL you finish your homework’, I’m sure that your child understood the meaning of the word UNTIL. Therefore, it should not be hard to us to understand that Joseph and Mary had other children.

[Mat 1:25] But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

again watch out for heresies. false teachings. Mary was a virgin before and after.

 

[fbl9]

hi justasking4 acts of the Apostle’s 1;13 states James the brother of John,James the son of Alpheus.St luke 42-45 area 52 St Luke 2:41-52. no mention of any other Children here,why?

 

[area52]

area52;3267875:

Heresies! watch out!
Jesus had no blood brothers or sisters. PLease go to martignoni website Bible Christian Society

he has a teaching on this and he is catholic. Joseph was not married before. Mary had a special mission here on earth which was to bear a son to the Living God. she is considered the Ark of the new covenant. She was called a Virgen, that mean she was a virgen before and after.

The web site you refered to is “apologetics resources for Catholics”. Therefore writing are heavily influence by the Roman Church and its dogmatic traditions.

Read this verse of Matthew-

[Mat 1:25] But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. (NIV)

If you tell to your child, ‘you can not play game UNTIL you finish your homework’, I’m sure that your child understood the meaning of the word UNTIL. Therefore, it should not be hard to us to understand that Joseph and Mary had other children.

I hope that by reading the verse and using your God given intelect, you will also understood the meaning of UNTIL. From there, you can draw your own conclusion about Jesus siblings.

 

[justasking4]

hi justasking4 acts of the Apostle’s 1;13 states James the brother of John,James the son of Alpheus.St luke 42-45 area 52 St Luke 2:41-52. no mention of any other Children here,why?

In Luke 2:41-52 there is no mention of any other children because at this time Jesus was their oldest and only child.

 

[Tim_Kirchoff]

The prophet Zechariah was exact in his prophecy.
Mary was the virgin who gave birth to a son Jesus (i.e. ‘firstborn’), the ‘an only son’ who was pierced by a soldier at the cross. Because, Mary had other son(s) who were not pierced.

Zechariah was saying that the ‘firstborn’ and ‘an only son’ who pierced by a soldier is the prophesy of Jesus. His brother was not of course can be called ‘firstborn’ for they are not ‘first’, but ‘second’ or ‘third’, for Jesus had several ‘half’ brothers and sisters.

I say ‘half’, because His father is God in Heaven. His siblings father is Joseph. Mathew1:25 says that Joseph did not have intimate relationship (i.e sexual) UNTIL she gave birth. This mean that after Jesus was born, they had sexual intimacy.

If you say to your child, ‘you can not play game UNTIL you finish your homework’, I’m sure that your child understood the meaning of the word UNTIL. Therefore, it should not be hard to us to understand that Joseph and Mary had other children.

[Mat 1:25] But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

Well, that doesn’t make much sense to me…

 

[sterryfamily]

My problem is how your church is using the Scriptures to support its beliefs.

Dude…the Scriptures came FROM the Church, not the other way around.

 

[justasking4]

Originally Posted by justasking4
My problem is how your church is using the Scriptures to support its beliefs.

Dude…the Scriptures came FROM the Church, not the other way around.

Are you saying the church is the “source” of the scriptures?

 

[wisdomseeker]

wisdomseeker;3268291:

The web site you refered to is "apologetics resources for Catholics

". Therefore writing are heavily influence by the Roman Church and its dogmatic traditions.

Read this verse of Matthew-

[Mat 1:25] But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. (NIV)

If you tell to your child, ‘you can not play game UNTIL you finish your homework’, I’m sure that your child understood the meaning of the word UNTIL. Therefore, it should not be hard to us to understand that Joseph and Mary had other children.

I hope that by reading the verse and using your God given intelect, you will also understood the meaning of UNTIL. From there, you can draw your own conclusion about Jesus siblings.

you are trying to enterpret the Bible for yourself. it does not work.
why is this important to you? what are you trying to prove? Mary was the mother of Jesus. now she is our mother. history says that Mary lived alone and the disciples visited her. if she had other children why was she living alone? your assumptions are incorrect. the Bible says that Jesus said to Mary: woman behold your son, son behold your mother. and John was not the brother of Jesus on that sense.

 

[sterryfamily]

The web site you refered to is “apologetics resources for Catholics”. Therefore writing are heavily influence by the Roman Church and its dogmatic traditions.

Read this verse of Matthew-

[Mat 1:25] But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. (NIV)

If you tell to your child, ‘you can not play game UNTIL you finish your homework’, I’m sure that your child understood the meaning of the word UNTIL. Therefore, it should not be hard to us to understand that Joseph and Mary had other children.

I hope that by reading the verse and using your God given intelect, you will also understood the meaning of UNTIL. From there, you can draw your own conclusion about Jesus siblings.

So, I guess you are saying that in 2 Sam. 6:23, where it says, “Michal the daughter of Saul had no children till the day of her death” we are to assume that Michal had children after her death?

Or in Deut. 34:6, where it says that no one knew the location of Moses’ grave “until this present day”. Well, everyone since that day knows the location of the grave, right?

Yeah, right…

 

[Tim_Kirchoff]

Are you saying the church is the “source” of the scriptures?

Nice try.

Without the Church, there would be no Bible. The Bible came about as a result of the needs of the Church. In that way, the Church is the source of Scripture.

 

[sterryfamily]

Are you saying the church is the “source” of the scriptures?

Of course. Jesus said He came to establish His Church, not to establish His book. God is the primary author of Sacred Scripture and He used men to be the instrumental authors. He gave us the Sacred Scriptures, as a part of Sacred Tradition, through His Church, of which Jesus is the head.

But, you already know all this.

 

[area52]

Well, that doesn’t make much sense to me…

Which part does not make sense?

 

[sterryfamily]

Which part does not make sense?

See post #311

 

[sterryfamily]

word usage changes over time. Languages and cultures have different uses for similar words.

No more video games for you until you do your homework

 

[area52]

So, I guess you are saying that in 2 Sam. 6:23, where it says, “Michal the daughter of Saul had no children till the day of her death” we are to assume that Michal had children after her death?

Or in Deut. 34:6, where it says that no one knew the location of Moses’ grave “until this present day”. Well, everyone since that day knows the location of the grave, right?

Yeah, right…

[2Sa 6:23] And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.

to me, the verse say that Michal died without having any children.

Deu 34:5 And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said.
Deu 34:6 He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is.

To me, God buried Moses somewhere in Moab. The exact location where his body was laid is only known to God. Who told the Israelites that Moses died? God told them in verse 34:5 “as the Lord had said”

What so hard about understanding these verses?

 

[sterryfamily]

to me, the verse say that Michal died without having any children.

To me, God buried Moses somewhere in Moab. The exact location where his body was laid is only known to God. Who told the Israelites that Moses died? God told them in verse 34:5 “as the Lord had said”

What so hard about understanding these verses?

Nothing at all. You just imposed a different logic to Matt 1:25. One must understand Hebrew usage of their terminology before one tries to speak for them. Good to see you are retracting your original imposition of the meaning of “until” as it was clearly in oposition to any orthodox Christian understanding since the time of the apostles.

 

[celticcrusader]

God used different men.
I know GOD used different men to write the gospels &epistles. But what I wanted to know from JA4is who compiled all the seperate writings into the book we call THE BIBLE? what religious group or organization or secular group or organization is responsible for doing this? also about what year were the gospels&epistlesmade into the one book we call THE BIBLE?:bible1:

 

[area52]

you are trying to enterpret the Bible for yourself. it does not work.
why is this important to you? what are you trying to prove? Mary was the mother of Jesus. now she is our mother. history says that Mary lived alone and the disciples visited her. if she had other children why was she living alone? your assumptions are incorrect. the Bible says that Jesus said to Mary: woman behold your son, son behold your mother. and John was not the brother of Jesus on that sense.

Mary lived alone? where did you get that idea from? John took Mary into his home as stated in John19:27.

[Jhn 19:27] and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.