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The Jesus in India / Jesus in Kashmir / Tomb of Jesus / Debate seems to be a very popular subject these days especially with Muslims, Hindus, people who refute Christianity, and new age thinkers. I am starting this thread to hopefully have a great debate started on this subject which would include Catholics, Protestants, Hindus, Muslims, and various other religions. So lets look at some of the most popular media out there and the claims of Jesus in India:

I have noticed that many new age Americans have collaborated the gathered ideas of Muslims and Hindus that Jesus did not die on the cross, but either survived it medically or someone was crucified in his place out of love for him. The Gnostic Gospel of Judas is the most recent controversial source that describes someone taking Jesus’s place on the cross and dying in his place. This and other Gnostic documents help in these arguments as they point out other resource for New Age people to use along with the Koran’s claim of someone being crucified in Jesus’s place and their beliefs that are formulated from the Gospel of Mary Magdalene and the Divinci code about Jesus surviving the resurrection, taking a wife, and living and teaching in another country.

The main idea is that Jesus went to India to learn from Gurus from 12 to 30 years old (lost years of Jesus from the Bible supposedly) and Jesus did not die and did not get resurrected, but went to India and taught there after the cross or because someone took his place or he medically survived. I will place the book title below, the description of the book if available, and a critical review of the book under the title and author to get the discussion going on some of these topics.

Lets look at the claims and discuss them:
 
Jesus in India (Paperback) by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad: Product Description - The book deals with the escape of Jesus from death on the cross, and his journey to India in search of the lost tribes of Israel. Christian and Muslim scriptures provide evidence about this journey.
A brief analysis of Ahmad’s faulty methodology in Jesus in India, July 29, 2009
By Nabeel Qureshi “Anastasis 1J414” -

Jesus in India, though innovative in its proposed mechanisms for Christ’s survival from death on the cross, is essentially just a theistic twist on the Apparent Death Theory that had been explored and exploited in the 17th and 18th centuries. Ahmad, founder of the Ahmadiyya Sect of Islam and author of this book, has taken a further step in attempting to persuade his audience to his point of view: he dives into the text of the gospels and extracts verses which he spins into a tale of divine conspiracy that results in Jesus’ escape to India.

The problems with Ahmad’s thesis are many, and I will briefly attempt to expound the most pertinent.

First, the very premise of extracting verses from the gospels which could indicate that Jesus survived the cross is a horrendous method of investigation. If the gospels clearly delineate that Jesus died on the cross, which they do (Mt 27:50; Mk 15:37; Lk 23:46; Jn 19:30,33), then extracting verses from those very documents to support the idea that he did not die on the cross amounts to simple text manipulation.

Ahmad extracts facts such as Jesus’ short duration on the cross, Pilate’s desire to release Jesus, Jesus’ knees not being broken, etc. as indications that he must not have died on the cross. But when the gospels state with emphasis and clarity that Jesus died, attempting to cast events in a vague or ambiguous light to make it appear as if he did not die is simply distraction and distortion. Ahmad also uses Jesus’ statement that his sign would be the sign of Jonah (Mt 12:39-40) to declare that Jesus prophetically announced he would survive the crucifixion (since Jonah survived the belly of the whale). Of course, such a usage of this verse completely ignores the verses where Jesus clearly says he would be killed upon his return to Jerusalem (e.g. Mt 16:21).

In addition, Ahmad uses Jesus’ declaration that he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel as a clear reason to believe that Jesus would travel to India, since, according to Ahmad, the Jews who had been relocated there in the time of Nebuchadnezzar are those “lost sheep”. Although this is clever and ingenious, it has three problems: 1- there is little reason to believe that those are the lost sheep, when term “lost” in the gospels most often means spiritually and not geographically lost. 2- even if it were the case that Jesus’ primary objective was to spread the message to India, this does not necessitate the idea that he himself would have to travel there. His teachings could be spread there via his disciples. This would be more in line with even Islamic thought, as Muhammad is said to have come for all mankind, yet this does mandate that he travel to every part of the globe. But, most importantly, 3- this rendering of “the lost sheep” completely disregards the Great Commission (Mt 28:19), where Jesus explicitly states that his message was to be spread throughout the world, not just the Jews. Thus it was not as Ahmad claims, that Jesus could not have died because his mission was not yet finished (see Jn 19:30).
The fact of the matter is obvious to the non-biased reader: the gospels repeatedly and emphatically declare that Jesus died on the cross. To extract verses from those very books and manipulate them in effort to make it appear as if the gospels say he did not die is faulty methodology which pushes the bounds of honest investigation and borders on biased propaganda.

Finally, Ahmad does not resolve the contrary evidence of early documents which record the fact of Jesus’ death (e.g. Tacitus, Lucian of Samosata, Mara Bar Serapion, Josephus, etc.) On a similar vein, the fact that virtually all scholars across the theological spectrum agree that Jesus died on the cross is ignored by Ahmad wholesale. Though he does not directly address this point, he appears to have an implicit response. In answer to such records of history, as well as to the Strauss Critique, Ahmad offers a Theistic Swoon Theory: if God chose to save Jesus, then Jesus could survive the cross. Unanswered by his implicit theory, however, is one extremely significant problem, itself a deathblow to Ahmad’s whole position. If Allah chose to save Jesus in a manner that makes it look like Jesus was resurrected, then Allah is responsible for establishing Christianity, a false religion which causes billions of people to worship a false God. Can Ahmad truly believe that Allah, the God of Islam that despises shirk (the worship of anyone but Him alone) would be the sole cause of the most pervasive shirk religion of history? And considering that shirk is the only unforgivable sin in Islam, can Ahmad honestly say that Allah would consign billions of people to Hell on account of saving Jesus just so he could travel to India?

Jesus in India is thus pockmarked with loopholes of faulty methodology and reasoning. What starts as a haphazard extraction of certain verses and total disregard for others is carried through a train of logical improbabilities and sheer speculations, ending in a self-defeating proposition with which even Ahmad himself would not agree.
 
The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ (Paperback) by Nicolas Notovitch: Nicolas Notovitch was a Russian aristocrat, Cossack officer, spy, and journalist known for his contention that during the years of Jesus Christ’s life missing from the Bible, he followed traveling merchants abroad into India and the Hemis Monastery in Ladakh, Nepal, where he studied Buddhism. While recovering from a broken leg at the at the monastery of Himis, Notovich discovered the text to The Life of Issa and realized that it recounted the lost years of Jesus. This controversial book shows where many of Jesus’ beliefs comes from, while at the same time showing that Jesus was already well on his way to his fundamental beliefs at a very young age.
Kersten’s book is just a rehash of the earlier Nicolai Notovich’s long-discredited The Unknown Life of Christ. Notovich’s book, published in the late 19th century, was reviewed and essentially discredited by a Professor, one Dr. A Douglas, who traveled to the monastery where Notovich had supposedly seen the manuscript of the “Life of Saint Issa”, and came to discover that the Notovich’s entire story of having traveled to this monastery was completely fabricated. The original review, from the magazine The Nineteenth Century, is available online; it can be located easily enough via a search engine. The scathing article ends with a post-script by the renowned Indologist Dr. Max Müller, in which he says,

"Although I was convinced that the story told by M. Notovitch in this Vie inconnue de Jésus-Christ 3 was pure fiction, I thought it fair, when writing my article in the October number of this Review, 1894, to give him the benefit of a doubt, and to suggest that he might possib]y have been hoaxed by Buddhist priests from whom he professed to have gathered his information about Issa, i.e. Jesus. (Isa is the name for Jesus used by Mohammedans.) Such things have happened before. Inquisitive travellers have been supplied with the exact information which they wanted by Mahàtmas and other religious authorities, whether in Tibet or India, or even among Zulus and Red Indians. It seemed a long cry to Leh in Ladakh, and in throwing out in an English review this hint that M. Notovitch might have been hoaxed, I did not think that the Buddhist priests in the Monastery of Himis, in Little Tibet, might be offended by my remarks. After having read, however, the foregoing article by Professor Douglas, I feel bound most humbly to apologise to the excellent Lamas of that monastery for having thought them capable of such frivolity. After the conrplete refutation, or, I should rather say, annihilation, of M. Notovitch by Professor A. Douglas, there does not seem to be any further necessity----nay, any excuse----for trying to spare the feelings of that venturesome Russian traveller. He was not hoaxed, but he tried to hoax us. Mr. Douglas has sent me the original papers, containing the depositions of the Chief Priest of the Monastery of Him is and of his interpreter, and I gladly testify that they entirely agree with the extracts given in the article, and are-signed and sealed by the Chief Lama and by Mr. Joldan, formerly Postmaster of Ladakh, who acted as interpreter between the priests and Professor A. Douglas. The papers are dated Himis Monastery, Little Tibet, June 3, 1894.

I ought perhaps to add that I cannot claim any particular merit in having proved the Vie inconnue de Jésus-Christ----that is, the Life of Christ taken from MSS. in the monasteries of Tibet----to be a mere fiction. I doubt whether any Sanskrit or Pâli scholar, in fact any serious student of Buddhism, was taken in by M. Notovitch. One might as well look for the waters of Jordan in the Brahmaputra as. for a Life of Christ in Tibet."

Again, bear in mind that this is a work which predates and was a key source for Kersten’s volume here.
 
Jesus Lived in India: His Unknown Life Before and After the Crucifixion (Paperback) by Holger Kersten:
Lack of historical evidence, July 23, 1999
By Ricardo Madeira (Portugal) - See all my reviews

This review is from: Jesus Lived in India: His Unknown Life Before and After the Crucifixion (Paperback)

I read the Portuguese translation of this book. Probably, the worst book I ever read on the subject. I don’t really believe usually in most polemical versions of Christ’s life, like Kersten’s India speculation: their arguments are totally flawed, with many historical assumptions that are completely untrue and they say something like this: “The New Testament story is quite inconsistent, with many historical impossibilities and a narrative that is too much unreal to be completely true. So, here I am giving a better version of history- based on some eastern legends much posterior to Christ’s age, that are not apparently relationed with Jesus, which have even more historical impossibilities, and are even more fantastic!”.

True, some early christians (like Origenes) believed in the reencarnation of the soul in many bodies through time, but we can’t seriously say that Christ and early Christianism came directly from eastern Budhism because Christianism has a few small ressemblances to Budhism. Budhism may at the most have influenced some christian ideas. If we presume that Christ was a Budhist, we would have to look at a much greater similarity between Christianism and Budhism, and we only find minimal ressemblances. The christian texts do not talk about Nirvana, Hindu gods, the budhist hierarchy of spiritual states, and the importance of conquering desire to reach the illuminated state of the soul; the christian texts don’t use the same stories and somewhat strange budhist language or conceptions. I think that if Christ learnt Budhism and knew about the Hindu gods, the christian texts would show many of the things I mentioned, but it isn’t so.

Besides, Kersten misuses a lot of historical data: it is highly untenable to say that Budhism had reached Europe and Marselha at the time, because some strange broken statues were found there. In archaeology, one finds many unexplained things and it is wrong to just make something up in a way to disguise our short knowledge of the ancient peoples. Also, I should say that archaeologist find many similarities between the mystical objects and symbols all around the world without having existed any real contact between them- the cults of fertility and of nature’s many forms existed in some similar forms all around the world; there wasn’t any Hindhu movement of merchant-preachers sailing to Africa and America to teach men the divinity of rain, and surely I doubt that there was a Budhist sect in the Roman Empire.

Kersten has a lot about history to learn about: there aren’t any historical evidences of Moses existence to this day; Jesus can’t possibly have learned Budhist lessons in Tibet, because Tibetan Budhism only appeared in the 5th century A.D. (still, the mystical aura of Tibet came many centuries after this first appearance); and there wasn’t any Cappuccino group in Tibet by the 14th century, because the 1st western man ever to enter the Tibet was the Portuguese merchant d’Almeida in 1603. Next, there was a Jesuit mission leaded by the portuguese Antonio d’Andrade in 1624, but I believe the Cappucinos entered in Tibet only in 1707, remaining in Lhasa until 1745.

Besides, the legends about Josafat and the tales of Notovitch may have appeared many centuries after Jesus time and are not really great evidence of Christ’s India trip. Still, I think unlikely about the thesis that these tales must be surely related to the real Palestinian Jesus.

Similar tales of Alexander appeared all over Asia - all of them mythical and historically untrue. This is a completely absurd argument that many Western people have that our great men had a strong effect even in very remote places. One more thing: recent studies about the Mandylion show that it must be a medieval piece of art (because the proportions aren’t right). The head of the man portrayed in that cloth is separated from the body and we haven’t heard of Jesus decapitation: is it an artist’s represention of John the Baptist? Also, the word Mandylion doesn’t come from the tibetan Mandala. Mandala is, in Tibetan, a two or three-dimensional representation of the palace of a meditational deity used to inspire meditation. It isn’t related to Christ’s image.

Another stupid clue for Kersten to think about: “Mandá-la” in Portuguese means to give orders to a woman - maybe the word Mandylion is about a christian habit of giving orders to their women in the presence of Christ’s image! The other evidence presented by Kersten about biblical lands in Pakistan is also dubious: those kind of legends appear in every part of the world. In Portugal, there are also many places named after biblical sites but with no sort of relation to the events portrayed in the Bible. For instance, many British kings believed to be descendants from the Troyan kings, but that is quite untenable (since we don’t even know about those kings’ existence). Surely, there is a lot about the Ancient Times that remains unknown to us, but we shouldn’t disguise our ignorance by creating stupid versions of history without any sound basis. That is a step towards pretty tales, like the ancient peoples did, and not towards rational History
 
The Fifth Gospel: New Evidence from the Tibetan, Sanskrit, Arabic, Persian and Urdu Sources About the Historical Life of Jesus Christ After the Crucifixion (Paperback) by Fida Hassnain and Dahan Levi: The Fifth Gospel presents some compelling new evidence about the life of Jesus which has been derived from a variety of sources in the East which are unknown to most Western scholars. By chance, one of the authors found, in 1965, a reference in Ladakh to the discovery of Buddhist scrolls about Jesus. Since then, the authors have been examining evidence about the survival of Jesus Christ at the time of the crucifixion, and his subsequent travels to the East. The authors’ main purpose in writing this book is to inform the West that “we in the East have some source material about the historical Jesus who lived on after the crucifixion… This book was not written in one day, but is a result of many years’ continued search for evidence,” and provides research on some very compelling questions.
No published refutation on Amazon.com
 
King of Travelers: Jesus’ Lost Years in India (Paperback) by Edward T. Martin: What really happened to Jesus Christ during the mysterious missing 18 years of his life, from the age of 12 to 30, that are not accounted for in the New Testament? Join maverick researcher and explorer Edward T. Martin as he journeys to remote exotic locations in India, Nepal, Afghanistan and elsewhere, unraveling the mysteries of Jesus’ Lost Years, attempting to separate myth and legend from fact and evidence. This is the book that inspired the 2008 Paul Davids film distributed by NBC Universal International Television, “JESUS IN INDIA,” as seen on the SUNDANCE Channel.
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The Lost Years of Jesus: Documentary Evidence of Jesus’ 17-Year Journey to the East (Mass Market Paperback) by Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Documentary evidence of Jesus’ 17-year journey to the East. The Gospels do not say where Jesus was between the age of 12 and 30. But ancient Buddhist manuscripts say Jesus left Palestine and traveled to India, Nepal, Ladakh and Tibet during the “lost years.” For the first time, Prophet brings together the eyewitness accounts of four people who have seen these remarkable manuscripts–plus three variant translations of the texts. Illustrated with maps, drawings and 79 photos.
Mostly a travelogue, June 13, 2006
By David J. Hrivnak (Kingsport, TN United States) - See all my reviews

About 90% of the book is devoted to the travels of the 4 people who have reported seen the ancient scrolls that document Jesus’ life in Tibet. And after completing the book I was not convinced that Christ ever made the journey.

If you read the reported quotes from Issa (or Jesus) they are quotes that definitely follow the New Testament teachings. But in so much of the Gospels, Jesus taught by parables, not in India. His quotes are more akin to Proverbs or sayings of Confucius. I would be surprised that he changed his manner of teaching so much.

The book also reports that Pilot was the person who wanted Jesus dead and the church leaders did not. While possibly true it contradicts the Gospels and it seems that Jesus was much more inflammatory of Church leaders than of Roman leaders. I do not see support of a motive of Pilot wanted Jesus dead.

I also do not understand the extreme secrecy of the scrolls? The ancient biblical writings are available for all to read. Why do the Lamas want to hide them and only share with a few select people.

If you want to read about the trials and travels of traveling in the Himalayan Mountains at the turn of the century then this is the book for you. But if you want to know about Jesus’ lost years I think you will find facts very few and far between.
 
Jesus in Kashmir, The Lost Tomb (Paperback) by Suzanne Olsson: Evidence is strong that Jesus survived crucifixion and has a tomb in Kashmir; Discover history of Jews in India, influence of Christianity in India; Jesus-magi-Buddhist connections to Hebrews. Professor Emeritus Robert E. Frykenburg is among those whose research inspired the author. The result is this incredible bold new view of the real Jesus and unknown influences on his world and on the crucifixion. Olsson made headlines when she received permission to obtain the “DNA of God.” Her evidence supports a true ‘Grail child’. The list of her “firsts” is extensive, includes documenting the shocking and deliberate destruction of ancient sites. This book will ripple through our future with chilling consequences.

Editorial Reviews

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“A thought-provoking book about the ancient history of Christianity, and her own travels through the east. Troubling yet thrilling.” – Jason Axlerod, Author House

Congratulations on an awesome task splendidly accomplished. In years to come our race will still reference your contributions, follow the trails you blazed, and uncover new things. You have properly muddied the waters and nurtured the young lotus. --Church of the East

She gained the nickname Indiana Sue for her formidable, and sometimes considerably risky, efforts to research a variety of sites across Northern India and Pakistan, including the alleged grave of Mary at Murree. Sadly, the Murree site has since been commandeered by the Pakistan military, who have built a communications tower directly over the grave. Roza Bal has also been recently fell on hard times and is badly desecrated. In spite of this, Olsson very nearly succeeded in uniting India and Pakistan, at a time of heightened tension, in this joint archeological venture. Her aims were to compare samples from the two tombs. Her research has uncovered a wealth of valuable new information. --Fortean Times Magazine

She’s now the world expert on Jesus in India. I delighted in every new discovery by this brave, dedicated woman. – Noah Books, December 10, 2005

What has been laid on these pages, the pictures, the references, the words, and the thoughts are about the real story of Jesus. Here you will follow his family sagas. Olsson has opened hearts and minds to astounding new facts about Jesus, and swept clear the dust of centuries of misinformation and misunderstandings. This is an incredible effort that will be referenced far into the future. --Professor Fida Hassnain, Director of State Archives, India
NOT A CRITICAL REVIEW, BUT A POSITIVE REVIEW THAT GIVES MORE DETAIL OF WHAT THE BOOK IS ABOUT:

Jesus Life After Crucifixion, September 12, 2008
By Paul Von Ward “Cosmologist and Author” (Dahlonega, GA USA) - See all my reviews

Suzanne Olsson has written a plausible, more robust picture of the personality known as Jesus in the West which deserves the attention of both serious scholars and believers who wonder about the veracity of some of the claims about his life.

Not an arm-chair scholar, Suzanne has spent years with Persian, Afghani, Pakistani, Kashmiri, Indian, and Sri Lankan professionals and ordinary people in a search for the Jesus beyond the Gospels. She was caught up in the aftermath of “9/11” on the other side of the Kyber Pass. She often traveled by foot and animal power to identify the legendary sites associated with the major figures of Hebrew history and the Eastern ministry of Jesus and some of his disciples beyond the Tigris and Euphrates and down through India to Sri Lanka.

Old documents and artifacts accessed by Suzanne, with the assistance of indigenous scholars, reveal numerous corroborations of the life of Jesus and his family before and after his crucifixion. Material written in ancient Persian, Pali-Prakit (ancient Indian languages), Sanskrit, Vedic, Hebrew and other regional scripts fleshes out (literally) the saga of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Solomon, David, and Joseph and Jesus. This historical evidence, unknown to all but a few Western scholars, place these legendary archetypes, along with their female partners like Sarah, Mary, and Marjan, in real time and actual places. These mystical figures are grounded in history by their actual homes, temples, and tombs whose existence has been lost to the Western mind for almost two millennia.

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A Timely Book. The recent plethora of sensational books in Europe and America about Jesus and Mary Magdalene, their bloodlines, the Mother Mary and Jesus’ siblings, the angel Gabriel, and a virgin birth demonstrates that millions now question the unsubstantiated assumptions of the supernatural theology of Western religions. However, such speculative books would have a small market of credulous readers if the public had general access to the more authentic Hebrew and Buddhist literature and artifacts of the East in Olsson’s book.

This review provides only a sample of Olsson’s well-documented answers to the questions unanswered by Western historiography. The questions include: Who was the angel Gabriel who announced to Mary her conception of Jesus? Who were the magi who visited Jesus at the time of his birth? Why would the birth of an “illegitimate” son of a “poor” carpenter attract the attention of magi from afar and from Herod the local Roman governor?

Gabriel was likely one of the beings described in the Bible as the “gods who had intercourse with the daughters of men.” The magi who visited Jesus appear to have been Hebrew kings or kings-in-waiting who were members of Jesus’ own royal family tree descended from Noah. They acted as if Jesus was a son of one of the Biblical gods who was destined to become a magi-priest-king.

Why was Jesus described as physically different form others? Where did he spend the years between age 12 and 30? What was his Egyptian connection?

Jesus, described as one with unique physical features, and light hair and eyes, was associated with the beings responsible for Adam and others considered progeny of “miraculous” conceptions. As a member of the ruling elite he was reportedly educated in Egypt in preparation for assuming his birthright as the king of the area known as Kashmir.

What did the title “King of the Jews” mean as it was reportedly inscribed above Jesus’ head on the cross? Why was Jesus missing from the tomb provided by Joseph of Arimathea after the crucifixion? And why could his disciples see and touch him later? What happened that led to the myth of resurrection?

His expected future as the king of the Jewish colony in Kashmir merited the title used in irony by his Sanhedrin opponents who wanted him killed. Taken from the cross before dusk by Pontius Pilate’s soldiers who had been ordered to go easy on him, Jesus survived the crucifixion. When he was well enough, he presented himself to some of his followers. His survival with assistance from “heavenly beings” and subsequent departure from Israel demanded an explanation for his followers. Legends of earlier Hebrew leaders being taken into the heavens (ascending) in the gods flying vessels added fuel to the supernatural concept of resurrection invented in the New Testament.

Can evidence be found for the descendants of Jesus? How did Jesus fit into the Hebrew genealogy of royal (from the gods) blood? What did he do after leaving Jerusalem?

Olsson reports both the historical accounts of Jesus’ family in Kashmir and the family traditions maintained by his alleged descendants. They describe his extended family as the lineage of Noah and the major Hebrew patriarchs. Jesus was reportedly still working with Thomas and other disciples in the East eleven years after the crucifixion. Texts refer to his coronation as the king of Kashmir and his participation in the 4th Buddhist Council circa 90 C.E. Some allege his death at age 100 or over. A case can be made for his progeny.

Why do Christians in the West have so little knowledge of the influence of Jesus in the East? Where was the physical body entombed?

When I was in Kashmir is 1988, embedded in my Western heritage, working on my book Gods, Genes, and Consciousness: Nonhuman Intervention in Human History, I had little insight into the region’s history that lay beneath the surface or recorded in scattered documents. Suzanne Olsson has now made it possible for others to re-discover the lost half of the Indo-European traditions that gave birth to Western civilization. Tradition and artifacts point to Jesus’ burial in Jewish fashion (east/west alignment) in the tomb known as Roza Bal, where also lies a 12th-century Muslim on a north/south axis.

Readers who look for a good index and bibliography will be frustrated with these deficiencies. The documented sources are scattered throughout the book, so keep notes as you go.
 
The Yoga of Jesus: Understanding the Hidden Teachings of the Gospels (Paperback) by Paramahansa Yogananda: In this remarkable book, Paramahansa Yogananda reveals the hidden yoga of the Gospels and confirms that Jesus, like the ancient sages and masters of the East, not only knew yoga but taught this universal science of God-realization to his closest disciples. Compiled from the author’s highly praised two-volume work, The Second Coming of Christ: The Resurrection of the Christ Within You, this insightful and compact book transcends the centuries of dogma and misunderstanding that have obscured the original teachings of Jesus, showing that he taught a unifying path by which seekers of all faiths can enter the kingdom of God. Topics include:
•The lost years of Jesus in India
•The ancient science of meditation: how to become a Christ
•The true meaning of baptism.
misrepresentation of the gospel, November 8, 2008
By Robert (San Jose, CA) - See all my reviews
First off, the Bible isn’t hiding anything. There are messages, but what we need to know isn’t hidden, and definitely not found through PY. Second, look at the front cover. It quotes Luke 17:21 as Jesus says “The Kingdom of God is within you.” Now this quote is not misrepresentation, as even the original Hebrew and Greek scriptures state this verse basically the same way. BUT the verse is taken out of context as to what Jesus was saying as a WHOLE. Before this passage, the pharisees were asking when the kingdom of God was coming. Jesus replied, “the kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say “here it is” or “there it is” because the kingdom of God is within you.” Yes it says that the kingdom of God is within us, but it is not saying that we ARE the kingdom of God, or we can FIND God within OURSELVES. Jesus is answering the pharisees by saying that the kingdom of God (our salvation) isn’t something we can literally SEE on this earth, but have IN our hearts. It is not the kingdom of God that is IN the pharisees, as they are unbelievers, but it is meant in a general sense that when we do “see” or “have” the kingdom of God, it is within US (our hearts), not outside in some certain place on earth. It is not something outside of us that the pharisees will literally see, but something we have inside of us.

It blows the verse way out of context when you say we can look within and find that we are the same as Christ. Our salvation comes from Christ alone, and nothing from within ourselves. You would have to ignore the rest of what the Bible said to believe that we are the same as Christ or could ever achieve that same status as Him. Ephesians 2:8-9 “for it is by grace you have been saved-through faith and this is NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.” 2 Timothy 1:8-9 “…join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God, who has saved us and called us to a holy life-not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.” The salvation of Christ is IN us as believers, but it is NOT US. We CANNOT save ourselves or look to ourselves to find God. To be saved, we must place our COMPLETE faith in the power, promise, and forgiveness of Christ alone, as Christ was, is, and will be our only Lord and savior. Jesus Christ is knocking on our hearts, and we have to let him in. He is not in there already for us to find and become. He is in us when we are saved by faith in Him, and we grow to be more LIKE Him, but He is NOT us…don’t let PY tell you otherwise. this subtle change completely skews who Christ really is in the Bible.

2 Peter 2:1-2 “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth in to disrepute.”
 
Roza Bal The Tomb of Jesus (Paperback) by Fida M. Hassnain (Author), Suzanne Olsson (Author):

An amazing first-hand journey to Kashmir-a look into the evidence that Jesus survived crucifixion-proof that he lived and died in Kashmir and is buried in the famous tomb known as Roza Bal. Meet the family who claim that Yuzu Asaph, Jesus, is their ancestral grandfather. Learn about the efforts to create a DNA profile of Jesus’ family. From John the Apostle to Saint Thomas, many were with Jesus years after the crucifixion who have historically verified his journey. Records in Kashmir mention his wife named Marjan and their son, Ely-Kim-the same son that Saul met on the road to Damascus known as Ely-mar, ‘a man with a great mind’. The most startling revelation of all? Jesus lived to fullfill the last words on the titulus, he lived to become ‘King of the Jews’ in India. This is a troubling and factual investigation,but necessary for a complete study of the life of Jesus after crucifixion, a life that leads us directly to his tomb and his Grail children hidden away in Paradise on Earth, Kashmir. Behind this book have gone years of danger, personal hardships,and threats from fundamentalists to bring you the research of two world experts, best known for their intimate knowledge of the tomb of Jesus. Share their journey of discovery into his tomb. Enter the world of Roza Bal.
POSITIVE REVIEW FOR THE BOOK THAT DETAILS MORE INFO FOUND INSIDE:;

Roza Bal - Tomb of Jesus - Book Review by Atika Sadeeqa, December 11, 2008
By I. Jattala (California, USA) - See all my reviews
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Razabal - The Tomb Of Jesus: By prof. Fida M. Hassnain and Suzanne Olsson

Reviewed by Atika Sadeeqa:
Author of ATIKA SADEEQA’S SHAKESPEARE: AT THE AGE OF TWELVE PRESERVING THE PRESERVED

This book has been collaborated with Suzanne Olson and it is a follow-up to their previous work, The Fifth Gospel and A Search for the Historical Jesus, and Jesus Last King Of Kashmir and Jesus in Kashmir, The Lost Tomb. Both authors have set out to establish that Jesus survived crucifixion and died years later of old age in Kashmir. With the methodical approach to laying out the evidence, they have accomplished what they set out to prove.

This book has eight chapters, covering The Crucifixion, Diaspora Jews, Thomas, Jesus and Marjan, Ministry in Kashmir, Roza Bal, Bloodline, and appendix-DNA. These authors have confirmed Jesus’ survival of the crucifixion his triumphant over Death in the light of Hebrew predictions. Than they followed the trail of Jesus’ journey from Damascus to Kashmir, a journey they call the Diaspora of Jews led by Jesus. It was during the last phase of this long journey that Mother Mary died, and they have photographed her grave. The real story of Jesus Christ’s life and his lineage in the East have been uncovered through evidence written in ancient scripts on stone pillars in Kashmir.

These authors’ words, thoughts, pictures and references and the discovery of Rod of Jesus and the removal from the Roza Bal Tomb is a very valuable information. The final chapters deal with tomb itself, locally known as Rozabal (revered tomb) and these authors have reviewed the Kashmirian ministry, history and the family tree of Jesus and Marjan, his marriage with Marjan and their first born Eli Kim.
Anyone tracing a bloodline of Jesus now has solid proof where to begin their search. Now one has ever come close as these two researchers providing evidence for the actual name of the son of Jesus. This is but one sample of a huge treasure trove of information in this well referenced book.

In the final section Suzanne Olsson presented the DNA tests, done by National Geographic’s Genome Project on her, and amazing similarities with Saint Luke and others. She has explained what can be expected both ancient and new from such DNA tests, what they can and cannot prove and whether or not to expect Roza Bal will yield the DNA of God. The prospects they outline are very exciting.

Prof. Fida M. Hassnain is a leading researcher on Jesus for the last forty years, and Hassnain and Olsson’s books are priceless treasures into this little understood topic. Reader will find this book will meet the challenges of theories and sources, where as researchers who have challenged Holger Kersten (1986) on his theories and sources remain unclear.

Their research on the subject is a passion and pleasure for them and has motivated them in spite of advanced years and failing health. Thousands of sources have been researched, and travel to 22 countries all at the authors’ own expenses is a true testament to their attention to detail and steadfast determination to arrive at the truth, whatever that may prove to be.

The ancient picture (painting) of an elderly statesman-Jesus kept in the Vatican (Encyclopedia of Britannica 1947) seems real in their book.

The survival of the Crucifixion has been under speculation quietly in the West for centuries. A German scholar Friedrich Schliemacher, (1768-1835) along with other researchers believed that Jesus did not died on Cross. The evidence is slowly mounting.

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Although authors have quoted Hazrat Mirza Gulam Ahmad, (the founder of Ahmadyya Movement In Islam, who is the author of Jesus In India, published in 1908 and Hassnain has acknowledged that this book has opened new vistas of research about the real life of Jesus Christ, these authors have not taken any religious stance for or against one side or another. They have quoted many varied religious sources, especially the bible and some references to relevant passages in the Quran.

In 1975, as an archeologist, Fida Hassnain found a stone slab in the inner sarcophagus of Raozabal which has the foot-prints with wound marks and the carver’s wounds markings matched with the blood marks on Shroud of Turin, and the known quotes about positioning of the feet in a real crucifixion. This provides with compelling evidence that foot carvings are accurate depiction of some one who had feet nailed to a cross in a specific pattern.

Sahibzada Basharat Saleem comes in near the end of the book as a man who claims his family is the direct descendent of Yuzu Asaf, or Jesus. The Stern magazine published in Germany in 1970, published an interviews of Hassnain and Sahibzada Basharat Saleem. This interview shed light on the conflict existed between two men as to how the research should continue. This was before DNA was available for their research. Basharat Saleem did not cooperate, where as Basharat Saleem’s father, Sahibzia Gulam Mohiuddin always showed the legal documents pertaining to the legal standing of the property of the Shrine of Rozabal, as a custodian and chief caretaker, recognized by the court since 1766.

Recently, the Artifacts, Excavations, and Faith are being targeted by Milton G. Moreland ( Director of a program in Archaeology in US and an excavator in Galilee since 1993) & Jonathan L. Reed (Ph. D) a professor of Religion and The Director of the Sepphoris Acropolis Excavation).

In their opinion, Archaeology is not arbiter of faith. They are introducing cutting -edge fieldwork that has transformed their understanding of the historical Jesus and the origins of Christianity. (Jesus seminar, Solvang, California, November 7-8, 2008). This book will enlighten their insight, understanding and avail them of the evidence that is now under threat of loss from fundamentalism or just plain ignorance of the historical value of many relics associated with the tomb.

This book leaves me feeling excited at the possibilities for DNA tests and recovery of the artifacts that I want to know more about. The authors have done rigorous and thorough examination of their topic, and handled Jesus and all religious beliefs about him with love and respect. I urge every one to read this book just for the deep fundamental questions it will raise in all hearts and minds, of every faith (or no faith at all).
 
When Jesus Lived in India: The Quest for the Aquarian Gospel: The Mystery of the Missing Years (Paperback) by Alan Jacobs: What did Jesus do in the ‘missing years’?
Is the Aquarian Gospel authentic?
What do the Churches think?

Did Jesus visit Tibet, Nepal, Northern India, and Kashmir during the 19 “missing years” not accounted for in the New Testament? If so, it would have the most far-reaching spiritual implications. This remarkable book takes an impartial look at the extensive evidence—in Islamic, Indian, and Tibetan sources, as well as the modern Aquarian Gospel and the controversial writings of the Russian explorer Nicolai Notavitch—to find a definitive answer to this tantalizing question.
Baseless fables, August 1, 2009
By Douglas Groothuis, Ph.D. “Douglas Groothuis” (Colorado USA) - See all my reviews
I researched this topic in depth some years ago and reported my findings in two books, Revealing the New Age Jesus and Jesus in an Age of Controversy. The idea that Jesus went to India is absurd.
  1. There is no evidence for it in the primary records about Jesus: the Gospels.
  2. Jesus is presented in the Gospels as having grown up in ancient Palestine and was a carpenter, not world traveler.
  3. His teachings do not represent that of any non-Judaic religion.
  4. The documents claiming he went to India are not verifiable and pale in comparison to the evidence for the reliability of the Gospels.
  5. No serious scholar holds this view and serious scholars have refuted it when it surfaced 100 years ago in the Notovitch book.
This “Jesus went to India” is simply a way to try to strip Jesus of his essential identity. There is no basis for it in logic, evidence, or history.

It’s time to stop trotting out this dead issue.
Info on the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ:

This book is an extensive reworking of the Jesus story with strong Theosophical and Spiritualist influences. Of interest is the attempt to fill in the two decade gap in the Jesus’s traditional biography. According to Dowling, Jesus spent a lot of time in the mystical East where he learned esoteric methods from the masters, while rebelling against the caste system. The narrative, unfortunately, has numerous historical inconsistencies, including Jesus meeting historical figures who lived hundreds of years before or after the first century, e.g. Mencius. The book has Jesus studying in India in the Orissa area; while this is an historically important ceremonial area, it didn’t come into prominence until nearly a millenium later.
Deception and Fantasy, September 20, 2005
By S Donahue (United States) - See all my reviews
This review is from: The Aquarian Gospel Of Jesus The Christ (Paperback)
This book is written by Levi Dowling, a nineteenth-century Disciples of Christ minister. It is wildly popular in the prisons, where cults flourish and multiply like bedbugs. It is a first-class book of rank heresy and deception. It is the nature of people to be attracted by the off-beat, and new ‘revelations’ and occultic dreck, shying away from the traditional God-breathed Scripture. Many people have been deceived by this garbage, and continue to be so. Save your money and get something solid rather than visions and pure conjecture.
 
Other theories with no sources:

guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/19/india.religion

Alternative theories

In 1935 a Shinto priest claimed that instead of being crucified, Jesus had fled to Japan where he lived to be 112. He married a Japanese woman, had three daughters and became a respected teacher and prophet

Dan Brown’s Da Vinci Code, which has sold more than 80m copies, suggests that the church suppressed Jesus’s real story and that he had a family of his own. A central character in modern times discovers she is a direct descendant of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, who fled to what is now France after the crucifixion

The Lost Gospel of Judas is based on a manuscript found in the Egyptian desert in 1970 and claims Jesus enlisted a beloved and heroic Judas to betray him as part of a divine plan

Titanic director James Cameron’s film about the lost tomb of Jesus in Jerusalem suggests that graves containing the remains of Jesus and Mary Magdalene were discovered in 1980
 
Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

geocities.com/athens/delphi/1340/jesus_in_india.htm

Being an account of
Jesus’ escape from death on the cross
and of his journey to India

By Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
of Qadian
THE FOUNDER OF THE
AHMADIYYA MOVEMENT IN ISLAM
1989
ISLAM INTERNATIONAL PUBLICATION LTD
Reproduced under the responsibility of RAM Service.
Copyright © 1996 RAM Service Inc. All rights reserved.
Jesus’s escape
from death on the cross
and journey to India

Preface
Introduction
Chapter 1
Chapter 2 : On the Evidence of Quran and authentic traditions in proofs survival’ of Jesus
Chapter 3 : On the Evidence derived from books and medicine
Chapter 4 : Evidence from books of history
Section 2 : Evidence from books on Buddihsm
Section 3 : On the evidence from books of history which show that the coming of Jesus to the Punjab and neighbouring terretories was inevitable.
Appendix
 
Full article refuting Notovich’s so called discoveries in Tibet:

Archibald Douglas and Max Müller recognized Notovich’s work as fraudulent, although it was not immediately clear (to Müller, at least) what the source of the fraud was. Perhaps the best thing is to read excerpts from the original, absolutely scathing account, from the Nineteenth Century academic journal itself (long out of copyright):

(from The Nineteenth Century, 39 (January-June 1896) pp. 667-677
THE CHIEF LAMA OF HIMIS ON THE ALLEGED ‘UNKNOWN LIFE OF CHRIST’)

"I was resident in Madras during the whole of last year, and did not expect to have an opportunity of investigating the facts respecting the Unknown Life of Christ at so early a date. Removing to the North-West Provinces in the early part of the present year, I |668 found that it would be practicable during the three months of the University vacation to travel through Kashmir to Ladakh, following the route taken by M. Notovitch, and to spend sufficient time at the monastery at Himis to learn the truth on this important question. I may here mention, en passant, that I did not find it necessary to break even a little finger, much less a leg, in order to gain admittance to Himis Monastery, where I am now staying for a few days, enjoying the kind hospitality of the Chief Lama (or Abbot), the same gentleman who, according to M. Notovitch, nursed him so kindly under the painful circumstances connected with his memorable visit.

Coming to Himis with an entirely open mind on the question, and in no way biassed by the formation of a previous judgment, I was fully prepared to find that M. Notovitch’s narrative was correct, and to congratulate him on his marvellous discovery. One matter of detail, entirely unconnected with the genuineness of the Russian traveller’s literary discovery, shook my faith slightly in the general veracity of the discoverer…

…I will now call attention to several leading statements in M. Notovitch’s book, all of which will be found to be definitely contradicted in the document signed by the Chief Superior of Himis Monastery, and sealed with his official seal. This statement I have sent to Professor Max Müller for inspection, together with the subjoined declaration of Mr. Joldan, an educated Tibetan gentleman, to whose able assistance I am deeply indebted.

A more patient and painstaking interpreter could not be found, nor one better fitted for the task.

The extracts from M. Notovitch’s book were slowly translated to the Lama, and were thoroughly understood by him. The questions and answers were fully discussed at two lengthy interviews before being prepared as a document for signature, and when so prepared were carefully translated again to the Lama by Mr. Joldan, and discussed by him with that gentleman, and with a venerable monk who appeared to act as the Lama’s private secretary.

I may here say that I have the fullest confidence in the veracity and honesty of this old and respected Chief Lama, who appears to be held in the highest esteem, not only among Buddhists, but by all Europeans who have made his acquaintance. As he says, he has nothing whatever to gain by the concealment of facts, or by any departure from the truth.

His indignation at the manner in which he has been travestied by the ingenious author was of far too genuine a character to be feigned, and I was much interested when, in our final interview, he asked me if in Europe there existed no means of punishing a person |670 who told such untruths. I could only reply that literary honesty is taken for granted to such an extent in Europe, that literary forgery of the nature committed by M. Notovitch could not, I believed, be punished by our criminal law.

With reference to M. Notovitch’s declaration that he is going to Himis to verify the statements made in his book, I would take the liberty of earnestly advising him, if he does so, to disguise himself at least as effectually as on the occasion of his former visit. M. Notovitch will not find himself popular at Himis, and might not gain admittance, even on the pretext of having another broken leg.

The following extracts have been carefully selected from the Unknown Life of Christ, and are such that on their truth or falsehood may be said to depend the value of M. Notovitch’s story.

After describing at length the details of a dramatic performance, said to have been witnessed in the courtyard of Himis Monastery, M. Notovitch writes:

A fter having crossed the courtyard and ascended a staircase lined with prayer-wheels, we passed through two rooms encumbered with idols, and came out upon the terrace, where I seated myself on a bench opposite the venerable Lama, whose eyes flashed with intelligence (p. 110).

(This extract is important as bearing on the question of identification; see Answers 1 and 2 of the Lama’s statement: and it may here be remarked that the author’s account of the approach to the Chief Lama’s reception room and balcony is accurate.) Then follows a long résumé of a conversation on religious matters, in the course of which the Abbot is said to have made the following observations amongst others:

We have a striking example of this (Nature-worship) in the ancient Egyptians, who worshipped animals, trees, and stones, the winds and the rain (p. 114).

The Assyrians, in seeking the way which should lead them to the feet of the Creator, turned their eyes to the stars (p. 115).

Perhaps the people of Israel have demonstrated in a more flagrant manner than any other, man’s love for the concrete (p. 115).

The name of Issa is held in great respect by the Buddhists, but little is known about him save by the Chief Lamas who have read the scrolls relating to his life (p. 120).

The documents brought from India to Nepal, and from Nepal to Tibet, concerning Issa’s existence, are written in the Pâli language, and are now in Lassa; but a copy in our language----that is, the Tibetan----exists in this convent (p. 123).

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Two days later I sent by a messenger to the Chief Lama a present comprising an alarum, a watch, and a thermometer (p. 125).

We will now pass on to the description given by the author of his re-entry into the monastery with a broken leg:

I was carried with great care to the best of their chambers, and placed on a bed of soft materials, near to which stood a prayer-wheel. All this took place under the immediate surveillance of the Superior, who affectionately pressed the hand I offered him in gratitude for his kindness (p. 127).

While a youth of the convent kept in motion the prayer-wheel near my bed, |671 the venerable Superior entertained me with endless stories, constantly taking my alarum and watch from their cases, and putting me questions as to their uses, and the way they should be worked. At last, acceding to my earnest entreaties, he ended by bringing me two large bound volumes, with leaves yellowed by time, and from them he read to me, in the Tibetan language, the biography of Issa, which I carefully noted in my carnet de voyage, as my interpreter translated what he said (p. 128).

This last extract is in a sense the most important of all, as will be seen when it is compared with Answers 3, 4, and 5 in the statement of the Chief Superior of Himis Monastery. That statement I now append. The original is in the hands of Professor Max Müller, as I have said, as also is the appended declaration of Mr. Joldan, of Leh.

The statement of the Lama, if true----and there is every reason to believe it to be so----disposes once and for ever of M. Notovitch’s claim to have discovered a Life of Issa among the Buddhists of Ladakh. My questions to the Lama were framed briefly, and with as much simplicity as possible, so that there might be no room for any mistake or doubt respecting the meaning of these questions.

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My interpreter. Mr. Joldan, tells me that he was most careful to translate the Lama’s answers verbally and literally, to avoid all possible misapprehension. The statement is as follows:

Question 1. You are the Chief Lama (or Abbot) of Himis Monastery?

Answer 1. Yes.

Question 2. For how long have you acted continuously in that capacity?

Answer 2. For fifteen years.

Question 3. Have you or any of the Buddhist monks in this monastery ever seen here a European with an injured leg?

Answer 3. No, not during the last fifteen years. If any sahib suffering from serious injury had stayed in this monastery it would have been my duty to report the matter to the Wazir of Leh. I have never had occasion to do so.

Question 4. Have you or any of your monks ever shown any Life of Issa to any sahib, and allowed him to copy and translate the same?

Answer 4. There is no such book in the monastery, and during my term of office no sahib has been allowed to copy or translate any of the manuscripts in the monastery.

Question 5. Are you aware of the existence of any book in any of the Buddhist monasteries of Tibet bearing on the life of Issa?

Answer 5. I have been for forty-two years a Lama, and am well acquainted with all the well-known Buddhist books and manuscripts, and I have never heard of one which mentions the name of Issa, and it is my firm and honest belief that none such exists. I have inquired of our principal Lamas in other monasteries of Tibet, and they are not acquainted with any books or manuscripts which mention the name of Issa.

Question 6. M. Nicolas Notovitch, a Russian gentleman who visited |672 your monastery between seven and eight years ago, states that you discussed with him the religions of the ancient Egyptians, Assyrians, and the people of Israel.

Answer 6. I know nothing whatever about the Egyptians, Assyrians, and the people of Israel, and do not know anything of their religions whatsoever. I have never mentioned these peoples to any sahib.

*…

Regarded, then, in the light of a work of the imagination, M. Notovitch’s book fails to please, because it does not present that most fascinating feature of fiction, a close semblance of probability.

And yet, if I am rightly informed, the French version has gone through eleven editions; so M. Notovitch’s effort of imagination has found, doubtless, a substantial reward. In face of the evidence adduced, we must reject the theory generously put forward by Professor Max Müller, that M. Notovitch was the victim of a cunning 'hoax ’ on the part of the Buddhist monks of Himis.

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…I do not believe that the venerable monk who presides over Himis Monastery would have consented to the practice of such a deception, and I do not think that any of the monks are capable of carrying out such a deception successfully. The departures from truth, on other points, which can be proved against M. Notovitch render such a solution highly improbable…

…I have visited Himis, and have endeavoured by patient and impartial inquiry to find out the truth respecting M. Notovitch’s remarkable story, with the result that, while I have not found one single fact to support his statements, all the weight of evidence goes to disprove them beyond all shadow of doubt. It is certain that no such passages as M. Notovitch pretends to have translated exist in the monastery of Himis, and therefore it is impossible that he could have ‘faithfully reproduced’ the same.

The following “postscript” was amended to the article by Max Müller himself:

"…After having read, however, the foregoing article by Professor Douglas, I feel bound most humbly to apologise to the excellent Lamas of that monastery for having thought them capable of such frivolity. After the conrplete refutation, or, I should rather say, annihilation, of M. Notovitch by Professor A. Douglas, there does not seem to be any further necessity----nay, any excuse----for trying to spare the feelings of that venturesome Russian traveller. He was not hoaxed, but he tried to hoax us. Mr. Douglas has sent me the original papers, containing the depositions of the Chief Priest of the Monastery of Him is and of his interpreter, and I gladly testify that they entirely agree with the extracts given in the article, and are-signed and sealed by the Chief Lama and by Mr. Joldan, formerly Postmaster of Ladakh, who acted as interpreter between the priests and Professor A. Douglas. The papers are dated Himis Monastery, Little Tibet, June 3, 1894.

I ought perhaps to add that I cannot claim any particular merit in having proved the Vie inconnue de Jésus-Christ----that is, the Life of Christ taken from MSS. in the monasteries of Tibet----to be a mere fiction. I doubt whether any Sanskrit or Pâli scholar, in fact any serious student of Buddhism, was taken in by M. Notovitch. One might as well look for the waters of Jordan in the Brahmaputra as. for a Life of Christ in Tibet.

F. Max Müller.

November 15, 1895."
 
Anyone have any thoughts on the subject?

I know I posted a lot of information, but there are varying viewpoints of resources for this situation.
  1. Aquarian Gospel
  2. Notovich’s so called discoveries in Tibet
  3. Archeological arguments about Jews in India, references to Christ, and Mary and Jesus being buried and having official graves in Pakistan/India.
  4. The evidences originally written about by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
 
Has only skimmed over the posts …( after all , had enough of share of having had to read up on pagan myths ; not much taste for same any more !)

two verse come to mind - Tim. 2 4:3 -’ times will come when they will have no mind for sound doctrine but, following their own desires and insatiable curioisity …will be diverted to myths .’

also from Revelations - ’ The Dragon spewed a torrent of water after the woman to sweep her away but the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river ’

Interesting though how even the liar is sort of serving His purpose may be …this whole tactic of sensationalism could atleast make persons want to know the real Lord Jesus , that in an earth that is like a grain of sand ( in the whole scale of creation ) geographical dvisions of where our Lord chose to dwell during His earthly life is not of paramount significance …a Lord who is present now , in Person at every tabernacle of His Holy Church …that proclaims the truths of how God has been so marvelously good to sinful man …and that we all come from those first parents …we were one huge continent , before the flood …and Judea is part and parcel and ? center of that one landmass …

.In Him, in the true freedom and dignity that He alone gives , through the incarnation and the infinite power of forgiveness and mercy through the Passion and Resurrection …to make all new …to make human hearts free from those primordial fears of darkness …

to cast aside all that has kept human kind in coils of fears and hatreds …hinduism , with its fear and hatred turned inward , with a a pantheon of gods to tell how endless reincarnations are needed for detestable humans to be good and worthy …Islam , that the way to get over self hatred is to take it out on the other …

And our Lord tells us -’ all those who are weary and heavy laden …come to Me ’ - to recieve the true freedom , to think and love with the mind and heart of God , for having been loved so very much …and that grace flows into even hearts that do not know Him …to set them too free from paralysing fears and hatreds …

May be all this yearning is good …to see The Father 's Face …

The Church and the believers too have been waiting …

God bless !
 
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