Jesus in Sacred Scripture...how are Christians to view / relate?

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Its the Christmas Season. Our full focus should be on Christ. How do we best worship/ honor God, via the God-man Jesus … per the revelations in Sacred Scripture.
Let me stipulate that all our discussion be supported by SS – rather than tradition alone.
 
Its the Christmas Season. Our full focus should be on Christ. How do we best worship/ honor God, via the God-man Jesus … per the revelations in Sacred Scripture.
Let me stipulate that all our discussion be supported by SS – rather than tradition alone.
Doesn’t that depend on the individual?

Our full focus should be on Christ all year round, not just Christmas.

Naturally we should attend Mass on the holy day and on Sundays. Through advent we should be reading Scripture, praying, doing penance, preparing ourselves for His coming by caring for the poor, etc.

How we prepare in addition to the ‘given’ (prayer, penance, almsgiving) which should be the normal duty of a Christian can vary.

The so-called ‘secular trappings’ can help children to learn of Christ. Many of the ‘traditions’ like Christmas trees and their stories (which one stress are STORIES) have a positive Christian moral and teach of Christian virtues. Giving small gifts and being aware of others also fosters the virtue of charity.

Will everybody be PERFECT in following Christ this season? I doubt it. I know I won’t be. But I’ll keep trying. No doubt others will think I’m not doing enough in some ways or doing ‘too much’ in others, but after all, their ‘judgment’ is as human and fallible as mine, and God knows the heart.

May He bring us all to know, love, and serve Him in this world and the next.
 
Its the Christmas Season. Our full focus should be on Christ. How do we best worship/ honor God, via the God-man Jesus … per the revelations in Sacred Scripture.
Let me stipulate that all our discussion be supported by SS – rather than tradition alone.
Actually, by citing SS we are referencing Sacred Tradtion for the Bible does not stand apart from it.

But, I’m a little unclear what you are wanting to discuss. Could you please clarify/give us more definition? :tiphat:
 
Actually, by citing SS we are referencing Sacred Tradtion for the Bible does not stand apart from it.

But, I’m a little unclear what you are wanting to discuss. Could you please clarify/give us more definition? :tiphat

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I had in mind the SS passages we reflect upon to discover what God desires from us …as proper worship both at Advent season & year-round too.
How does SS define and direct us to both honor & rightly worship our Creator?
 
I had in mind the SS passages we reflect upon to discover what God desires from us …as proper worship both at Advent season & year-round too.
How does SS define and direct us to both honor & rightly worship our Creator?
We only have to look at the Psalms for that. Every day the Church prays the Psalms in the Liturgy of the Hours. So, we are already doing that. If you want to join in, there are online websites, such as divineoffice.org that have all the hours. Lay people generally pray Morning and Evening Prayer and perhaps Compline. It’s a great way to praise God and enter into the prayer life of the Church all year round. The readings, antiphons, and saints are all geared towards the seasons, Advent and Christmas being focused on now. 🙂
 
I had in mind the SS passages we reflect upon to discover what God desires from us …as proper worship both at Advent season & year-round too.
How does SS define and direct us to both honor & rightly worship our Creator?
As the Church has always taught. . .to love God with our heart, soul, mind, and strength, and our neighbor as ourselves.

“Proper worship?” Hmmm, I wasn’t aware that Catholics were ‘improperly’ worshipping Christ at Christmas. . .
 
Wow …a rather tepid interest by Catholics on SS…not a single mention of a NT Book or verse. Perhaps I should allow in Catholic traditions…

Protestants would of been very quick to bring in key SS text.
 
Wow …a rather tepid interest by Catholics on SS…not a single mention of a NT Book or verse. Perhaps I should allow in Catholic traditions…

Protestants would of been very quick to bring in key SS text.
You didn’t specify the NT. 😉 The OT speaks of Jesus, as well.

All one needs to do is go to: quod.lib.umich.edu/r/rsv/simple.html, choose NT and enter the word praise to find lots of references.

It’s not necessary to have Bible verses at the ready in order to praise and worship God. The daily Mass readings are full of such verses. If we read them every day/attend daily Mass at which we hear them, then we will certainly be focusing our hearts and minds on Christ this Advent and Christmas and all through the year. 🙂 It’s my daily practice to read the daily Mass readings and meditate on them. I find that sufficient for me.
 
Wow …a rather tepid interest by Catholics on SS…not a single mention of a NT Book or verse. Perhaps I should allow in Catholic traditions…

Protestants would of been very quick to bring in key SS text.
Perhaps it’s because many of us Catholics tend to use Scripture not as ‘find a verse’ but rather seeing things as a whole --the Old Testament fulfilled in the New.

But by all means, bring in a key text you would like to discuss.
 
Wow …a rather tepid interest by Catholics on SS…not a single mention of a NT Book or verse. Perhaps I should allow in Catholic traditions…

Protestants would of been very quick to bring in key SS text.
The problem is that SS is a very diluted form of Christianity, and it is difficult to produce a profound relationship with God from ink on paper alone. I guess I am somewhat confused as to your purpose. All “bible” Christians use traditions without knowing it. Example: “It came upon a midnight clear” is a favorite Christmas carol. It’s just not in the bible. The fact that worship occurred is given in scripture. The precise description of that worship is not in there. That, we can only know from tradition.
 
Its the Christmas Season. Our full focus should be on Christ. How do we best worship/ honor God, via the God-man Jesus … per the revelations in Sacred Scripture.
Let me stipulate that all our discussion be supported by SS – rather than tradition alone.
It is never Tradition Alone, But Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition through the Magisterium (Teaching Body of the Church).

Catholicism is not a religion of the Book alone, neither is Judaism, Christ upheld the Oral teaching said by the preists

Mat 23:1 Then said Jesus to the crowds and to his disciples,

Mat 23:2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat;

Mat 23:3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you,

Paul writes: .

2Th 2:15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter

http://www.blueletterbible.org/commentaries/comm_view.cfm?AuthorID=2&contentID=8053&commInfo=31&topic=2%20Thessalonians&ar=2Th_2_15

David Guzik, Protestant commentary

b.** Stand fast and hold the traditions**: The command to stand fast implies a location, and this tells us what they must stand fast upon. They must keep standing on God’s word, delivered both by the authoritative word of the apostles (by word) and the letters of the apostles (our epistle).

i. Traditions: The Bible recognizes that traditions can be a dangerous feature of religious systems (Matthew 15:2-3) or the traditions of man (Colossians 2:8). But Paul has in mind the apostolic traditions preserved for us in the record of the New Testament.

ii. “The word paradoseis, which we render tradition, signifies anything delivered in the way of teaching; and here most obviously means the doctrines delivered by the apostle to the Thessalonians; whether in his preaching, private conversation, or by these letters.” (Clarke)
 
I had in mind the SS passages we reflect upon to discover what God desires from us …as proper worship both at Advent season & year-round too.
How does SS define and direct us to both honor & rightly worship our Creator?
Honor and rightly worship our Creator.

For Catholic the highest form of worship is the mass and perhaps we can renew our zeal for it. It is where we are in full communion with Jesus in his body and blood. (Cf Mark 14:22-25)

Follow the greatest commandment (Mt 22:37-38)

Doing work of mercy because by doing that we are doing to Jesus – giving food to the hungry (Mt 25:32-45), giving drink to the thirsty, shelter for the homeless, clothes for the naked, visiting the sick and those in prison.

I guess these are the major ones but there are others too.
 
Its the Christmas Season. Our full focus should be on Christ. How do we best worship/ honor God, via the God-man Jesus … per the revelations in Sacred Scripture.
Let me stipulate that all our discussion be supported by SS – rather than tradition alone.
What you do is the same thing that Paul did: He set scripture aside (Acts 15:1-31) and listened to the Church over and above scripture. “He who hears you hears Me” (Luke 10:16). We honor the Lord by listening to those whom He has sent.
 
What you do is the same thing that Paul did: He set scripture aside (Acts 15:1-31) and listened to the Church over and above scripture. “He who hears you hears Me” (Luke 10:16). We honor the Lord by listening to those whom He has sent.
Actually, they quoted Scripture, verses 16-18, and then made their decision based on the fact that the OT regulations had been fulfilled in Christ who commissioned baptism rather than circumcision as the entrance into the household of God. So Paul didn’t set aside Scripture, rather he laid the matter before the leaders of the Church who debated the theological implications, cited Scripture as a witness, and then made their decision, which is the same way the Church has done it down through the centuries, up to and including our own day. 🙂

@ brb3 The Bible is the witness to Christ and his Church, which cannot be separated. As G. K. Chesterton cited, one cannot rip a holy book out of the hands of those who wrote it and then claim you will accept the book but not the religion that produced it. The Bible is the product of God’s people, the Israelite prophets and partriarchs as well as the Apostles and a few of their disciples , who were the spiritual descendants of the OT saints to whom God spoke. The Bible was not written to be a proof text for doctrines, but a help and a guide for the Church as a part of the whole of Sacred Tradition which consists of the Bible, the Church Fathers, and the living Magisterium–the bishops united to the Holy Father.
 
Actually, they quoted Scripture, verses 16-18, and then made their decision based on the fact that the OT regulations had been fulfilled in Christ who commissioned baptism rather than circumcision as the entrance into the household of God. So Paul didn’t set aside Scripture, rather he laid the matter before the leaders of the Church who debated the theological implications, cited Scripture as a witness, and then made their decision, which is the same way the Church has done it down through the centuries, up to and including our own day. 🙂

@ brb3 The Bible is the witness to Christ and his Church, which cannot be separated. As G. K. Chesterton cited, one cannot rip a holy book out of the hands of those who wrote it and then claim you will accept the book but not the religion that produced it. The Bible is the product of God’s people, the Israelite prophets and partriarchs as well as the Apostles and a few of their disciples , who were the spiritual descendants of the OT saints to whom God spoke. The Bible was not written to be a proof text for doctrines, but a help and a guide for the Church as a part of the whole of Sacred Tradition which consists of the Bible, the Church Fathers, and the living Magisterium–the bishops united to the Holy Father.
Yes, but it was the Church, by their authority, that cited those scriptures in making the proclamation that Christ was the fulfillment of the Mosaic law. Paul was well learned in the scriptures and did not know how to answer until he went to the Church for a rendering. Scripture was certainly part of it, but the issue could never have been settled by scripture alone.

Point being that scripture is part of the Church, but is not all of it.
 
Yes, but it was the Church, by their authority, that cited those scriptures in making the proclamation that Christ was the fulfillment of the Mosaic law. Paul was well learned in the scriptures and did not know how to answer until he went to the Church for a rendering. Scripture was certainly part of it, but the issue could never have been settled by scripture alone.

Point being that scripture is part of the Church, but is not all of it.
Oh absolutely. I was responding to the idea that Paul “set scripture aside” when he went to the Apostles. He didn’t “personally interpret” them, might be the better way of putting it, but trusted the Church to decide the matter, yes? 🙂
 
Oh absolutely. I was responding to the idea that Paul “set scripture aside” when he went to the Apostles. He didn’t “personally interpret” them, might be the better way of putting it, but trusted the Church to decide the matter, yes? 🙂
I think so. The Church actually interpreted and clarified OT scripture that did not specifically address the issue. This points to the limitations of scripture when used by itself, with no interpretive authority behind it. It is reminiscent of the Bereans (Acts 17), who searched the scriptures, but had no clue that Jesus of Nazareth was the Christ until Paul orally preached Christ to them. But, even Saint Paul, for all his stature in the faith, knew that the Church herself had to answer the circumcision issue.
 
I think so. The Church actually interpreted and clarified OT scripture that did not specifically address the issue. This points to the limitations of scripture when used by itself, with no interpretive authority behind it. It is reminiscent of the Bereans (Acts 17), who searched the scriptures, but had no clue that Jesus of Nazareth was the Christ until Paul orally preached Christ to them. But, even Saint Paul, for all his stature in the faith, knew that the Church herself had to answer the circumcision issue.
Yes, indeed. Proper biblical exegesis is not a simple one-to-one interpretation of ideas/beliefs. It’s why we leave it to those to whom Christ gave the authority to interpret and rule on matters of faith and morals.

There’s a joke among Protestants that all one needs is a Bible and two folding chairs to start a church these days. The point being the Bible is not an authority in and of itself, but sadly people treat as if it were and so we have confusion and unbelief as a result.

This is why we have been urging the OP to not demand Bible verses about praising God but rather to practice her Catholic faith which indeed praises God in its prayer life and sacraments, all of which draw from Scripture and utilize it.
 
Yes, indeed. Proper biblical exegesis is not a simple one-to-one interpretation of ideas/beliefs. It’s why we leave it to those to whom Christ gave the authority to interpret and rule on matters of faith and morals.

There’s a joke among Protestants that all one needs is a Bible and two folding chairs to start a church these days. The point being the Bible is not an authority in and of itself, but sadly people treat as if it were and so we have confusion and unbelief as a result.

This is why we have been urging the OP to not demand Bible verses about praising God but rather to practice her Catholic faith which indeed praises God in its prayer life and sacraments, all of which draw from Scripture and utilize it.
The bible is not only for specialists. Ordinary Catholics are supposed to read the bible, according to the Holy See.

"The Spirit is, assuredly, also given to individual Christians, so that their hearts can “burn within them” (Lk. 24:32) as they pray and prayerfully study the Scripture within the context of their own personal lives. "
Pontifical Biblical Commission, THE INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE IN THE CHURCH, 1994.
ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PBCINTER.HTM
 
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