Jesus Is the Scripture?

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Very much so, thanks!
I’ve already said this in another thread, but it bears repeating. IMHO this phenomenon of biblical cherry-picking has its roots with the popular (believe it or not, this is how much of the public - not just Protestants - views the Bible) image of the Bible as a black-and-white with no shades of grey divine manual of solutions to every want and need, a collection of prooftexts serving ‘real answers, real fast’. …

…A more extreme legacy of this mentality is the idea of treating the Bible as a quasi-divination tool…)
Along with the anthropomorphic view of scripture given in the The Open Bible, here is an introductory sampling:

It is viewed as the consummate self-help book and, combined with the private interpretation which it counsels us to do, it essentially offers a clay Savior which we form according to our need, then fire in the kiln of our consciences. What we arrive at (so far) is 30,000 differently shaped and sized clay pots.
Exactly! It goes from “the Bible is self-evident” and “it says what it means and means what it says” and “it must be taken for what it says without any interpretation” to not being able to explain why the 30,000+ other brands of Christianity who claim the same thing disagree with what you think it’s saying.

I had to finally call it quits with the guy…he just could NOT get past this idea…and the logic I gave him (that I kinda stole from another poster) (logically if the Bible = God, then the Jews and first Christians were without God…thanks to patrick457) was a “man-made idea”.
Good grief! Um, no, it’s just the logical consequence of this supposed reality.
 
Along with the anthropomorphic view of scripture given in the The Open Bible, here is an introductory sampling:

It is viewed as the consummate self-help book and, combined with the private interpretation which it counsels us to do, it essentially offers a clay Savior which we form according to our need, then fire in the kiln of our consciences. What we arrive at (so far) is 30,000 differently shaped and sized clay pots.
Exactly! 👍 Sorry if I sound like a broken record, but I’ll once again say something I’ve said in 'nother thread.

Very often we hear people speak of ‘private’ or ‘personal’ interpretation of the Scriptures. Personally though I highly doubt that such a thing per se even exists. Very often people get a lot of ‘outside help’ from stuff like Pastor so-and-so’s sermons or from items like study aids (footnotes, commentaries, things like that), all of which present to readers ready-made ways to read and interpret the Text.

This is all well and good, but why is it that many people fail to realize that they’re actually relying on other interpretations when building their own ones? I think that once again it has to do with the cultural stereotype of the Bible as ‘God’s book of answers’ and how different the picture in real life is.

Far from being a manual of answers, the Bible is actually a library of ambiguity and conflicting details. If you actually read it without any interpretive glasses, you’ll end up with more questions than answers. For example: just how many women went to Jesus’ tomb? Why do Luke and Matthew list different ancestors for Jesus? Did Judas hang himself or did he suffer a fatal fall? How can we square divinely-sanctioned wartime violence in the OT with the emphasis on ‘love thy neighbor’ in the NT? How can we harmonize the Synoptic image of a Jesus who is very keen to keep His true identity a secret with the more overt figure in John’s gospel? This is what puts off a lot of people from actually cracking the pages of the Bible itself. They expect to see solutions, but what they find is more unsolved problems. They feel that they’re not getting what they imagine they’re supposed to get from it. They think that there’s one way to read the text, one ‘correct’ meaning, that somehow eludes them.

This problem is what the various aids get into. They help reinforce the popular image of a ‘divine answer manual’ and give people their ‘felt needs’ by smoothening out the difficulties and by giving them a ready-made way to interpret the text. They purport to speak for and supplement the Scriptures, but in most cases they practically supplant them: all these aids meld with the Text, effectively becoming part of the Bible, as I have said before ‘a Scripture in place of Scripture’. People think they’re reading the Bible and that what they’re seeing is it interpreting itself, but the reality is that they’re reading an interpretation and that they’re reading the Text into it (or even, they’re reading it as the Text), which very often is ultimately derived from someone else’s (so it’s not really ‘private’ or ‘personal’).

If people actually begin to hold to the Puritanic biblicist ideal of letting the Bible ‘speak for itself’, with “no note or comment,” and engaged in ‘private’ interpretation in a true, literal sense (just the text by themselves with no aid whatsoever), there wouldn’t be any clay jars anymore but mounds of potshards, and more likely, fine dirt.
 
Same here.

To the OP: ask your interlocutor to read up to v. 16 inclusive–the additional context should clear up that the “word” referred to by John in v. 1 is definitely not the Bible.
Ditto
 
You are on the right track. The word ‘Scripture’ comes from the word scriptus or scribere, which means ‘to write’. Gospel says that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. It does not say that in the beginning was the writing, and the writing was with God… you get the picture. Actually, in the biblical usage of the word ‘Word’, it stemmed from the word meaning ‘Promise’.

It’s not a question of whether Christ is the head of the Church; we all believe He is. It is definitely a question of etymology and, in this case, your friend is not on target. It’s a nice thought, but not on target.
Moreover the person, being a Protestant, does not realize that that Holy Tradition is also the Word of God, thus it is equal to Holy Scripture.

Also, on any day I and any other Catholic might lay a Bible on a table or a chair. But would a Catholic dare lay the Holy Eucharist on a table or a chair? No way!

Ran
 
Very much so, thanks!

Exactly! It goes from “the Bible is self-evident” and “it says what it means and means what it says” and “it must be taken for what it says without any interpretation” to not being able to explain why the 30,000+ other brands of Christianity who claim the same thing disagree with what you think it’s saying.

I had to finally call it quits with the guy…he just could NOT get past this idea…and the logic I gave him (that I kinda stole from another poster) (logically if the Bible = God, then the Jews and first Christians were without God…thanks to patrick457) was a “man-made idea”.
Good grief! Um, no, it’s just the logical consequence of this supposed reality.
I might add that the fact that the Jews, then and now, do not have any idea of ‘Scripture as God’ should be telling. Later Jewish thought and folklore does ascribe a preeminent status to the Torah - it, written in “black letters of flame upon a white ground of fire,” was the very first thing God created before He even made the universe and acted as His adviser at the creation - but never are the Scriptures considered to be literally God.

BTW, there is a Jewish parable about a king who gave his two beloved servants - one wise and the other foolish - a small amount of wheat and a bundle of flax. The wise servant made bread out of the wheat and a cloth out of the flax, while the foolish one did not do anything. When the king returned, he asked the servants to bring out what he had given them. The wise one spread the cloth over a table and laid the bread upon it. The foolish one brought the wheat in a box and laid the flax on top of it. Which of these two servants is the favorite? The one who made bread and cloth out of wheat and flax of course. The lesson here is: “When the Holy One, blessed be He, gave the Torah to Israel, He gave it in the form of wheat from which to produce bread, and flax from which to make clothing.”
 
Moreover the person, being a Protestant, does not realize that that Holy Tradition is also the Word of God, thus it is equal to Holy Scripture.
Our Lord said that “Man lives not on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God” (Deuteronomy 8:3, Matthew 4:4).
The bible tells us very clearly, in many places, that every word of God is not in it (i.e. Luke 3:18, John 20:30, John 21:25, Acts 2:40, 1 Corinthians 11:34, Ephesians 6:21-22, etc.).

Problem.

Bible Christians remain spiritually malnourished.
 
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