Jesus Led me to Islam

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Let’s not forget that the Islamic punishment for leaving Islam is death. So if someone converts from Islam to Christianity and that person gets killed, that’s one less Christian on the statistics. Also, i suspect there are quite a few secret Christians who are former Muslims and who, out of fear of the death, live their lives outwardly as Muslims but are inwardly Christians, giving the impression of more Muslims than there is and less Christians than there is.

see for example
answering-islam.org.uk/Books/Zwemer/Apostasy/

especially chapter 5 ‘Hidden Disciples’
answering-islam.org.uk/Books/Zwemer/Apostasy/chap5.htm
 
Also, let’s not forget birthrates. Muslims often have very large familes, with many sisters, brothers, cousins etc. In the west, Christians don’t seem to often have large families. How do we know that Islam isn’t the fastest growing religion (if it is indeed the fastest growing religion) due to birthrates as opposed to conversions?
 
I’m seeing a strange pattern here. First there are quotes like these:

" I do not know if you have ever read the Bible but if you had, you will find numerous contradictions within it. You will find one verse is often in direct conflict with another."

Followed immediately by appeals to that very same Bible to argue a certain theology. Now who would use a contradictory, corrupt text to support their arguments? I mean, who’s to say that the very verses quoted to support her position are not the contradictory, corrupt ones?
 
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VociMike:
Now who would use a contradictory, corrupt text to support their arguments? I mean, who’s to say that the very verses quoted to support her position are not the contradictory, corrupt ones?
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I have asked this question numerous times on various threads and it has yet to be answered. It’s picking and choosing to advance an agenda, nothing more.

Peace,

George
 
George Waters:
I have asked this question numerous times on various threads and it has yet to be answered. It’s picking and choosing to advance an agenda, nothing more.

Peace,

George
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Yep, they do not believe the words of the Bible, so the only reason they quote from it at all is to try and weaken someone else’s faith so they can be there to pick up the stumbling blocks.

James 2:19

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
 
I really don’t think there’s any point replying to posts like this one. (I wouldn’t reply myself, but to make this point.) You know the OP is just being obstinate, and I really doubt there’s a danger of anyone else falling for such arguments, so really what’s the point?
 
gurrato alaien:
Jesus says, “The Father is greater than I.”
[John 14:28]

“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,
but the will of him that sent me.”
[John 6:38]
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Well, I am a Catholic but I still myself have wondered the above Scripture. If Jesus is God, why did He say such a thing?

What does the Catholic Church teach about this??? Anyone?!??
 
Jesus says, “The Father is greater than I.”
[John 14:28]
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The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are all the same in essence, or they all are of the same substance, the difference lies in how they relate to one another. The Father eternally proceeds his Son, and the Holy Spirit eternally proceeds from the Father through the Son. in this sense, the Father is greather then the Son. Not in nature, but in realtionship.

here is a good link i found on the subject.

the essence of heresy is to take one or two verses by themselves, and take an extreme interpretation of them to the exclusion of all other scriptures. catholics do not interpret scriptures this way. we look at everything. just look above at all of the verses that clearly show Christs equating himself with the Father.
 
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discipleofJesus:
Let’s not forget that the Islamic punishment for leaving Islam is death. So if someone converts from Islam to Christianity and that person gets killed, that’s one less Christian on the statistics. Also, i suspect there are quite a few secret Christians who are former Muslims and who, out of fear of the death, live their lives outwardly as Muslims but are inwardly Christians, giving the impression of more Muslims than there is and less Christians than there is.
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What many people do not realize is that many people do not convert to Islam because they suddenly believe its the truth, but rather many convert out of coercion Islam offers people three choices:
  1. Convert to Islam
  2. Do not convert, but live in subjugation and pay a “poll” tax called a “Jizya”
  3. Death
 
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Yes, and remember the point of Jesus’ humility and obedience. Being God, the Word did not need to become man, suffer and die. Yet Jesus says that He did so out of obedience to the will of the Father. Being God, nobody can compel Jesus to obedience, but He freely offers His obedience to the Father whom He loves, and He freely endures His chosen fate for love of the Father and for love of us. This is the highest form of obedience, which is not given through compulsion but through loving submission. Jesus’ submission is an insight into the Trinity, and a lesson to us that loving service and self-donation is at the core of God’s nature.
 
I’m not surprised if it’s another one of Satan’s temptations: “Is Jesus REALLY God?”
 
Here’s a good question to ask any muslim, that shows how backwards they are:

Ask them what they think of Jesus. They will say he was a good man and a good teacher, but not God. However when you bring up the fact that Jesus clearly claimed he was God throughout Scripture, that would make Jesus the biggest deceiver of all time…someone who claimed they were God but was rather just a good man and teacher. So how can muslims claim Jesus is good AT ALL? He is either God, or he is the biggest deceiver humanity has ever seen for claiming he was God. And if he was a deceiver, then he was NOT a good man or teacher and should be condemned in every way. Yet Muslims try to have it both ways, saying he is good but not God. When I once cornered a muslim on this point, he ACTUALLY came back and said that all of Scripture was doctored to make it look like Jesus claimed He was God, but actually He never did, it was all inserted into Scripture after the lives of the Apostles. This is so beyond absurdity I no longer feel it is worth my time to engage in conversation with them about religious matters. These people do not follow any logic.

BH
www.protestanterrors.com
 
It seems like the thing that bothers Christians is that Muslims always respect and love Prophet Jesus (pbuh) like all prophets,

I would like to ask Christians Brothers a question, did Jesus declare that no prophet will come after him, did he declare that Christianity will be the last religion, obviously no.

But God declared that Islam will be the last religion and Prophet Muhammad will be the last Prophet for all people

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Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

There are prophecies about coming of Prophet Muhammad in the bible itself:

answering-christianity.com/open_challenge.htm

islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/mohamed/1424/kharitah/article25.shtml

Peace
 
I’ve seen some of those moslem links, and it really made me feel thank God for the guidance of the Magisterium of the Catholic Church which tells us which books of the bible are inspired and which are not inspired.
Take for example the St. Peter’s Apocalypse which is no different from a gospel of Barnabbas which would have been probably written by a moslem in the 12th century to deceive christians that Christ did not die on the cross but Judas

Jesus left us a Church through the leadership of Peter who is the Rock on which he will built upon as written in Mt. 16:18. The RCC gives us what is the right interpretation to follow so that the faithful
would not commit erroneous interpretations of their own that we may be ONE.

Anyway which do you think is the true Muslim Church? the Shiite or the Sunni? See they are not ONE.
 
gurrato alaien,

Muslim respect and love for Jesus doesn’t bother me at all! I believe that you have a misguided understanding of who Jesus really is, just like you believe I have, but any love for Jesus, regardless of how little or misguided, is a gift from God and does not bother me in the least, in fact I rejoice.

Did Jesus declare that no prophet would come after him? Under the inspiration and guidance of God the Bible was canonized around 375 AD in which John the Baptist was declared to be the last prophet 195 years before the birth of Muhammad. So, in short yes.

Did He declare that Christianity would be the last religion? When Peter was given the keys to the kingdom of Heaven and promised that God would not allow the gates of the netherworld to prevail against it He declared it to be the true religion. Who cares about the last religion when you have the true religion? There will always be those who stray into error or who, through their arrogance, rebel against God and create their own religion.

“But God declared that Islam will be the last religion and Prophet Muhammad will be the last Prophet for all people”

According to Muhammad, who as you well know, is not accepted as a prophet by Christians so regardless of how often you declare such a statement, or quote the Quran, it will have no weight in a discussion with Christians. Besides, there have been numerous religions that began well after Islam so once again your statement really has no weight.

You have your faith in God my friend and I have my faith in God. I believe we both have faith in the one true God. You will not convince me your faith is better anymore than I will convince you mine is best so why don’t we try and learn from each other and work toward greater understanding and quit trying to convert those who already have faith in God?

Peace,

George
 
gurrato alaien:
It seems like the thing that bothers Christians is that Muslims always respect and love Prophet Jesus (pbuh) like all prophets,

I would like to ask Christians Brothers a question, did Jesus declare that no prophet will come after him, did he declare that Christianity will be the last religion, obviously no.

But God declared that Islam will be the last religion and Prophet Muhammad will be the last Prophet for all people

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Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

There are prophecies about coming of Prophet Muhammad in the bible itself:

answering-christianity.com/open_challenge.htm

islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/mohamed/1424/kharitah/article25.shtml

Peace
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Jesus said “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and THE END”. Does that answer your question?
 
gurrato alaien:
It seems like the thing that bothers Christians is that Muslims always respect and love Prophet Jesus (pbuh) like all prophets,

I would like to ask Christians Brothers a question, did Jesus declare that no prophet will come after him, did he declare that Christianity will be the last religion, obviously no.
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really? obviously no? it shows how much you know about the Bible. Close to nothing eh?

“1 Then He [Jesus] began to speak to them in parables: “A man planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a place for the wine vat and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 2 Now at vintage-time he sent a servant to the vinedressers, that he might receive some of the fruit of the vineyard from the vinedressers. 3 And they took him and beat him and sent him away empty-handed. 4 Again he sent them another servant, and at him they threw stones, wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully treated. 5** And again he sent another**, and him they killed; and many others, beating some and killing some. 6** Therefore still having one son, his beloved, he also sent him to them last, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’** 7 But those vinedressers said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ 8 So they took him and killed him and cast him out of the vineyard.”
(Mark 12:1-8)

*After sending his servants the prophets, God sent his beloved Son last * of all

“For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John [the Baptist].”
(Matthew 11:13)

“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John [the Baptist]. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.”
(Luke 16:16)
gurrato alaien:
There are prophecies about coming of Prophet Muhammad in the bible itself:

answering-christianity.c…n_challenge.htm

islamonline.net/English/…article25.shtml
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no there isn’t
answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Foretold/index.html

answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/muhammad.html

answering-islam.org/Silas/deut1818.htm

answering-islam.org/Silas/comforter.htm

tektonics.org/guest/monono2.html

although there are prophecies of false prophets (such as Muhammad) in the Bible

“15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.”
(Matthew 7:15-20)

“24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.”
(Matthew 24:24-25)
 
Disciple…just remember that Muslims too agree that Jesus (PBUH) was the last prophet sent by God to Israel. That, however, does not make him the last prophet to the world. All the passages you quoted could be interpreted in a way that could still allow for an all-encompassing world messenger after Jesus (PBUH). Just be aware of that.
 
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