Jesus Loves You very much

[Curious11]

I guess I’m that. Not sure

 

[Curious11]

God’s heart breaks just as much as ours do. But He is giving us what humanity chose, to know good and evil.

I don’t recall having ever made that choice. I don’t understand why I need to therefore pay for crime.

If his heart is broken why doesn’t he end all evil?

But out of horrendous evil comes unbelievable love, unexplainable forgiveness

You’re saying God is pure love, but at the same time seemingly imply he needs soul-shattering evil in the world to bring about love

 

[Curious11]

And all powerful Yahweh couldn’t have educated us as any normal parent would do rather than kick us out for a crime that, frankly, could not be more harmless?

Parents have forgiven their kids for murder in the past, for crying out loud. And he kicked us out for eating a fruit?

And I realize the crime is trying to be like God. Why did he put a tree whose apples make us like God right in front of their noses?

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Then it’s not in my plan to believe in God right now.

Your choice my friend.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Then it’s not in my plan to believe in God right now.

Nobody’s problem but your own.

Why does he need to allow children to be gassed in order to bring something good?

He doesn’t, but the point is that He can still bring good from our sins.

I don’t recall having ever made that choice. I don’t understand why I need to therefore pay for crime.

You know good, you know evil. It’s your nature, given by the common ancestors of all humanity.

You’re saying God is pure love, but at the same time seemingly imply he needs soul-shattering evil in the world to bring about love

Absolutely not. He just needs there to be an option not to love, which humans all too often take.

And all powerful Yahweh couldn’t have educated us as any normal parent would do rather than kick us out for a crime that, frankly, could not be more harmless?

He told us no. That’s enough for any adult to be “educated,” wouldn’t you agree?

Parents have forgiven their kids for murder in the past, for crying out loud. And he kicked us out for eating a fruit?

It wasn’t the action itself, but sinning in a sinless place that got humans kicked from Eden.

And I realize the crime is trying to be like God. Why did he put a tree whose apples make us like God right in front of their noses?

We’re created with free will. We can’t choose not to eat the fruit if we can’t eat it.

 

[help1]

Illness and suffering have always been among the gravest problems confronted in human life. In illness, man experiences his powerlessness, his limitations, and his finitude. Every illness can make us glimpse death. Illness can lead to anguish, self-absorption, sometimes even despair and revolt against God. It can also make a person more mature, helping him discern in his life what is not essential so that he can turn toward that which is. Very often illness provokes a search for God and a return to him.

Notice that suffering is not a magic bullet or a panacea. We can respond to it in two ultimate ways, either by turning toward God in trust, or by turning away from God in distrust and anger. St. Thomas Aquinas, drawing from St. Gregory the Great, says, “the evils which bear us down here drive us to go to God.” But we can harden our hearts and turn away from God even more, in our suffering.
God sometimes allows suffering into our lives to provoke us to search for Him, and to realize that this present life is not our final end, but a temporary test in which our eternal destiny is determined.

A Catholic Reflection on the Meaning of Suffering | Called to Communion

If God is all powerful, and truly seeks our good, then why does He allow bad things to happen to people? Why does God allow all the suffering we experience in this life, if He loves us and is all-powerful and all-knowing? What does the Catholic Church say about the meaning of suffering? Job and

www.calledtocommunion.com

 

[Curious11]

Nobody’s problem but your own.

Aren’t you a treat. A very Christian attitude.

He can still bring good from our sins.

That’s very comforting for the victims of rape and countless other atrocities.

You know good, you know evil. It’s your nature, given by the common ancestors of all humanity.

So… making every single human generation pay for the “crime” of Adam and Eve passes for justice in your book? They ate a fruit, therefore some children die in Auschwitz, others are born blind and deaf.

He just needs there to be an option not to love, which humans all too often take.

Yeah, but that doesn’t explain earthquakes, diseases and volcanoes though…

That’s enough for any adult to be “educated,” wouldn’t you agree?

People have forgiven murders and betrayals of the worst kind in the past. How long does God hold a grudge? He’s supposed to be a role model isn’t he?

Also, kicking out people form your home for eating fruit is nobody’s definition of educating.

sinning in a sinless place that got humans kicked from Eden.

If he wanted to keep the place sinless, why did he create sinful beings?

We can’t choose not to eat the fruit if we can’t eat it.

In other words, he tempted us? How is that action in any possible way good?

 

[Tis_Bearself]

The question that keeps coming to my mind, Curious11, is, since you’ve apparently made a decision to write off God because of all the continuing evils in the world, why are you still thinking about this enough to post/ argue here?

God would seem to still somehow be in your thoughts, even if you’ve hit a big wall between you and God.

You can disbelieve in Him for your whole life but He will still be believing in you.

 

[Curious11]

You’re right. Maybe I should leave this place forever.

Edit:

He will still be believing in you.

No he won’t

 

[help1]

Not sure if you read my response or not, but it’s up there for you to see

I was an Atheist too, once. I feel like I am in a good place to talk to you about this.

 

[Shakuhachi]

Is it the common image of God you reject or a complete rejection of any sort of universal being, intelligence, consciousness?

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

I’ve already answered all of those objections before, and so have others. If they’re not apparent now, they never will be.

 

[woolycaterpillar]

If all humans became and stayed Neanderthals none of this would matter. Or, better still, monkeys…

 

[Latetotheparty]

You seem to be focused on the literal of idea of eating the fruit being a sin. It’s more than Adam and Eve chose to separate themselves from God. Humanity chose to separate from God. He still loves us. What did he do for Adam and Eve? He gave them hope that humanity would gain salvation and He clothed them. Leaving them to live in the Garden of Eden would have led to our permanent damnation.

The world fell with us. We live in a fallen natural world where disasters happen and children are born with defects.

God permits evil as He values our free choices more than anything else. He never creates evil. He wants us to choose to join with Him again.

God works to create Goodness out of the bad choices. Using your example of the holocaust - the transformation of Oskar Schindler might be a good example.

 

[thistle]

In other words, he tempted us? How is that action in any possible way good?

You are obviously not interested in learning.

I recommended several books for you to read. If you had a genuine interest you should take up these books and then come back and debate with us.