Jesus not found outside the Church, Pope preaches

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Another spot on homily from Pope Francis.

Fortunately, the media’s analysis of Pope Francis being liberal does not appear to be holding water. So far, Pope Francis seems quite traditional and inline with what we saw from Pope JPII and Pope Benedict XVI.
 
MidnightSun12 said:
Another spot on homily from Pope Francis.

Fortunately, the media’s analysis of Pope Francis being liberal does not appear to be holding water. So far, Pope Francis seems quite traditional and inline with what we saw from Pope JPII and Pope Benedict XVI.
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I’ve never heard any media saying he was liberal, only that they wished he was. Actually, the only people I’ve heard say that people say the Pope is liberal are Catholics who want to feel everyone is against them (imho).
 
Jerok said:
I’ve never heard any media saying he was liberal, only that they wished he was. Actually, the only people I’ve heard say that people say the Pope is liberal are Catholics who want to feel everyone is against them (imho).
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I think a more accurate portrayal is that the media had a tendency to take something Pope Francis said out of context in the hopes that it would appear that the Pope would change some long-held stance of the Church.
 
Brendan said:
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“Christian identity is belonging to the Church, because all of these (the apostles) belonged to the Church, the Mother Church, because finding Jesus outside the Church is impossible,” he said.
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What does this mean? Who is it that protestants have found?
 
PaulinVA said:
What does this mean? Who is it that protestants have found?
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Christ, but the found Christ through the Catholic Church. As Christ is the Truth, and the Church alone has the fullness of Truth, the Church and the Church alone offer the fullness of Christ.

Protestants might not recognize the physical boundaries of the Church, but Christ is not found outside the spiritual boundaries of the Church.

When a Protestant is Baptized, for example, and receives that encounter with the Holy Spirit, it is through the Church that Baptism comes, and the Church alone, there is no other Baptism.

When a Protestant reads the Scriptures, those too are a work of the Church, they belong to the Church as the caretaker of Revelation.
 
Sadly, my oldest daughter just converted to Presbyterianism. And her fate is…?
 
Brendan said:
Christ, but the found Christ through the Catholic Church. As Christ is the Truth, and the Church alone has the fullness of Truth, the Church and the Church alone offer the fullness of Christ.

Protestants might not recognize the physical boundaries of the Church, but Christ is not found outside the spiritual boundaries of the Church.

When a Protestant is Baptized, for example, and receives that encounter with the Holy Spirit, it is through the Church that Baptism comes, and the Church alone, there is no other Baptism.

When a Protestant reads the Scriptures, those too are a work of the Church, they belong to the Church as the caretaker of Revelation.
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Brendan, that’s the way I’ve always understood the concept, but a plain reading of what the Holy Father said doesn’t really indicate that.

Is he saying something different?

It is confusing. If you go to Pastor Jack’s Living Water Freewill Church, and encounter the risen Christ, it is really through the Catholic Church? Hard to wrap your head around, especially when some, like the Holy Father, seem to indicate a certain impossibility to finding Jesus anywhere else. Not through any other means, but in any other place.
 
PaulinVA said:
Brendan, that’s the way I’ve always understood the concept, but a plain reading of what the Holy Father said doesn’t really indicate that.

Is he saying something different?

It is confusing. If you go to Pastor Jack’s Living Water Freewill Church, and encounter the risen Christ, it is really through the Catholic Church? Hard to wrap your head around, especially when some, like the Holy Father, seem to indicate a certain impossibility to finding Jesus anywhere else. Not through any other means, but in any other place].

Where did His Holiness specifiy a place?

Yes, if someone found Christ at Pastor Jack’s, he found it through the Catholic Church. Not necessarily in the Church’s physical reality ( a building owned by the Catholic Church), but certainly within it’s spiritual reality.
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MidnightSun12 said:
Another spot on homily from Pope Francis.

Fortunately, the media’s analysis of Pope Francis being liberal does not appear to be holding water. So far, Pope Francis seems quite traditional and inline with what we saw from Pope JPII and Pope Benedict XVI.
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The Pope is not traditional, liberal, conservative, or any other label. He is the Vicar of Christ and defines Orthodoxy itself.

I love Pope Francis as I have loved all three of the Popes who have reigned in my lifetime. Well Paul VI did too, but I was only one year old. 🙂
 
Brendan said:
Where did His Holiness specify a place?

Yes, if someone found Christ at Pastor Jack’s, he found it through the Catholic Church. Not necessarily in the Church’s physical reality ( a building owned by the Catholic Church), but certainly within it’s spiritual reality.
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Well, I thought he might be specifying a place in the way he worded what he said. Maybe not. I just get googly eyed when I think the Church says that if anyone finds Christ it’s really through the Church, even if it was at Pastor Jack’s. Easy to understand the concept, hard to apply it on the ground. I guess that’s my problem.
 
PaulinVA said:
Well, I thought he might be specifying a place in the way he worded what he said. Maybe not. I just get googly eyed when I think the Church says that if anyone finds Christ it’s really through the Church, even if it was at Pastor Jack’s. Easy to understand the concept, hard to apply it on the ground. I guess that’s my problem.
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From what I can see in his homily I don’t think this is what he’s saying at all…especially since it was on the heels of his “lukewarm Christians” homily that specifically mentions those dsiciples that walked away from Christ when he spoke about eating His body and drinking His blood.
 
PaulinVA said:
What does this mean? Who is it that protestants have found?
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They have found:

King Henry VIII of England, Martin Luther, John Knox, Ted Haggard, Al Sharpton, - you know, people like that.

They have found tens of thousands of different mortals.
 
I’d bet money that the daughter will someday come back to Catholicism. The things you know as a child will have great attraction and comfort when life gets hard.
If she grew up in the Church, she’ll be back…
 
I really appreciate the Pope making a true ecumenical statement in affirming that the fullness of Jesus Christ can not be found outside of His Church. It seems to me that people can come to know aspects of Jesus outside the Church, but something would always be missing (the Eucharist in most cases).
 
MidnightSun12 said:
Another spot on homily from Pope Francis.

Fortunately, the media’s analysis of Pope Francis being liberal does not appear to be holding water. So far, Pope Francis seems quite traditional and inline with what we saw from Pope JPII and Pope Benedict XVI.
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Unfortunately for the Left it turns out the pope is indeed Catholic.
 
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