Jesus' status in Islam and Judaism

[Ed_Rand]

I understand that both Jews and Muslims are to consider Jesus a prophet. Could someone (preferably a Jew or Muslim) explain how Jesus fits in their theological picture for me? As far as I know, the NT is all that we have to tell us of Jesus. Do Muslims and Jews have different versions of the Gospels? If he is a prophet, certainly they have to read his teachings, right?

 

[Kaninchen]

I understand that both Jews and Muslims are to consider Jesus a prophet.

Not in Judaism.

Could someone (preferably a Jew or Muslim) explain how Jesus fits in their theological picture for me?

In no way whatsoever.

As far as I know, the NT is all that we have to tell us of Jesus. Do Muslims and Jews have different versions of the Gospels? If he is a prophet, certainly they have to read his teachings, right?

The ‘NT’ has no significance at all - somebody else’s scriptures entirely.

 

[Ed_Rand]

thanks kaninchen. I thought I had read that. apparently I heard it from someone not all that reliable.

 

[meedo]

I understand that both Jews and Muslims are to consider Jesus a prophet. Could someone (preferably a Jew or Muslim) explain how Jesus fits in their theological picture for me? As far as I know, the NT is all that we have to tell us of Jesus. Do Muslims and Jews have different versions of the Gospels? If he is a prophet, certainly they have to read his teachings, right?

From islamic point of View

Jesus is the last prophet sent to the people of Israel. He is a human . His message was to bring back the people of israel to spirituality but still without the sacrifice of any mosaic laws .

Some people misunderstood him and rejected him completely . beause of his challenging to a prevailent corrupt understanding of religious law. This is the position of judaism ever since .

On the other side there were jews that followed him and believed he is a prophet. Those became extinct and their role was taken over by overzealos sects that later kept elevating jesus untill he was finally made God .

Jesus was given powers by God to do miracles as a proof to his sending by God . He was born of a virgin by the order of God and he spoke with the innocense of his mother from sin while he was barely a month old .

Jesus ascended to God before the plan to his arrest was carried out. It appeared to people who saw the cricifixtion that it was jesus who was crucified but actualluy it wasnt him .

jesus will return before Judgement day , he will kill the antichrist. he will live and marry and die on earth . By his second coming, it will be shown to both who completely rejected him and to those who worshipped him as devine that they were both wrong all along.

He is the Messiah.

This is the position of Islam.

hope that helped.

meedo

 

[Ed_Rand]

excellent meedo. Apparently I had read the part on the crucifixion in the Qur’an wrong. To me it read as though he was actually crucified, and it appeared to people that he died but actually did not. So Muslims do not believe in His resurrection, but they do believe in the resurrection of body, correct?

 

[inJESUS]

excellent meedo. Apparently I had read the part on the crucifixion in the Qur’an wrong. To me it read as though he was actually crucified, and it appeared to people that he died but actually did not.

the Quran denies both : crucifixion and death.

So Muslims do not believe in His resurrection,

 

[sambos671]

Not in Judaism.

In no way whatsoever.

The ‘NT’ has no significance at all - somebody else’s scriptures entirely.

Is there a mention of Jesus in either Talmud’s? Jesus wasn’t only discussed in the NT.

 

[Rayaan]

Yes, muslims beleive he was taken from us, but has never died, he will return to lead the Muslim Ummah against corruption

 

[inJESUS]

You see Ed, we do not believe God lies…we do not believe He reveals something and then deny it. God says clearly He is truthful and His Word stands for ever…that is why the NT and Quran cannot be revealed by the same Spirit because the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth and the Spirit does not reveal about Jesus’ crucifixion and then deny it by giving unintelligible words like “it appeared as such”.

 

[Rayaan]

Its not that, we simply beleive God is just…

It is intolerable to think God wants a human sacrafice, but not just sacrafice, bloody, brutal persecution of one man, just so he can forgive everyone else.

On top of which we learn Jesus is supposedly God all along…

Falling into those thoughts is akin to falling into disbelief

 

[Ed_Rand]

I cannot understand how you (inJESUS) cannot handle that God could not allow for both Religions to be a path to HIM. In fact, I think both of you need to show a little more respect for the intricacies of our religions. inJESUS, doesn’t the Church teach that Jesus is written on the hearts of all? Rayaan, doesn’t Islam teach that all comes from GOD? As a believer in the final revelations of God, you should certainly go to great lengths to understand some of the nuances of why we would choose to exalt God’s greatest “prophet”. Wait, he’s second in line, correct? I must say, I can halfway understand why a Christian could believe that Islam is from Satan (as some here apparently believe), and that Muslims were all lied to etc. There are passages in the Bible, “I am the way, the Truth, the Life” and a multitude of warnings agaist false prophets which seemingly don’t allow for Islam to be Truth. in JESUS, the Bible is not so clear on all issues, my friend (as this forum shows). And I think we should be more afraid of claiming to fully understand the mind of God. How many of you out there think that God speaks to different people’s at different times? (Think of the change from “eye for an eye” to “turn your cheek”.) Finally, Meedo’s comment below is music to mine ears. It is a wonderful aspect of Islam that it allows for me to be a true Christian and see you all in heaven, “in gardens underneath which rivers flow”.

 

[Angelos]

Yes, muslims beleive he was taken from us, but has never died, he will return to lead the Muslim Ummah against corruption

You Muslims consider Jesus an icompetent and pathetic messenger that failed to preserve His own message and Ummah from corruption! This belief is a result of your hatred and jealousy.

 

[Angelos]

Its not that, we simply beleive God is just…

It is intolerable to think God wants a human sacrafice, but not just sacrafice, bloody, brutal persecution of one man, just so he can forgive everyone else.

On top of which we learn Jesus is supposedly God all along…

Falling into those thoughts is akin to falling into disbelief

Was it not Allah who primarily demanded a human sacrifice from Abraham? What do you think that human sacrifice symbolized?

Is it not Allah in your scripture who says that he will not save everyone so that his promise to persecute people in Hell can be fulfilled?

Surah 32:13 And if We had so willed, We could have given every soul its guidance, but the word from Me concerning evildoers took effect: that I will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together.

Allah Himself is said to persecute people with no theological purpose of salvation!

 

[Sister_Amy]

You see Ed, we do not believe God lies…we do not believe He reveals something and then deny it.

Yes you do. Or rather, you believe that God CHANGES the Law. Because the NEW TESTAMENT isn’t the same as the OLD TESTAMENT–the LAW changed!!

God says clearly He is truthful and His Word stands for ever…

Then how come Christians dont’ have to follow all the Jewish laws?

The answer is that God CHANGED the law!

Just like with the Qur’an, which ABROGATED what came before it.

 

[Angelos]

Yes you do. Or rather, you believe that God CHANGES the Law. Because the NEW TESTAMENT isn’t the same as the OLD TESTAMENT–the LAW changed!!

It is high time you took reading comprehension lessons. LOL

What inJESUS means is that God does not DENY what He said before. Christianity does not believe and teach that the Old Testament was textually corrupted and lost its authenticity. Both of the Testaments are regarded as divinely inspired Word of God. God’s Word stands forever!

Then how come Christians dont’ have to follow all the Jewish laws?

The answer is that God CHANGED the law!

Just like with the Qur’an, which ABROGATED what came before it.

**1) **The Koran abrogates itself rather than the former revelations.

**2) **Islamic tradition claims that it is IMPOSSIBLE to access the former revelations in their original form now. Christianity, on the other hand, believes that the Old Testament is always the inspired and authentic Word of God.

 

[inJESUS]

I cannot understand how you (inJESUS) cannot handle that God could not allow for both Religions to be a path to HIM.

because both cannot be revealed by the same God. God will not tell me that Jesus died and was resurrected yet 600 years later tell others that Jesus did not die . Impossible.

 

[inJESUS]

Yes you do. Or rather, you believe that God CHANGES the Law. Because the NEW TESTAMENT isn’t the same as the OLD TESTAMENT–the LAW changed!!

How can it be called New if it’s the same as the Old? how can it be a New Covenant if it’s exactly like the Old? doesn’t the Quran itself say Jesus made ok what was not as well? seems there is difference, a difference even mentinned in the OT where God says people will follow the Messiah’s Law till the end of time…but that was not my point. My point is that God says His Word stands forever…for someone to claim that God’s words were corrupted is an insult to God’s truthfulness, be it Muhammad or Joseph Smith…same technique, same insult.

Then how come Christians dont’ have to follow all the Jewish laws?

 

[Ed_Rand]

**2) **Islamic tradition claims that it is IMPOSSIBLE to access the former revelations in their original form now. Christianity, on the other hand, believes that the Old Testament is always the inspired and authentic Word of God.

Do Muslims generally believe this? Do Muslims not find anything of use in the Gospels or NT?

 

[inJESUS]

Do Muslims generally believe this? Do Muslims not find anything of use in the Gospels or NT?

Muslims pick and choose from both OT and NT. They believe God’s words were corrupt…so if we are to collect what Muslims will accept from the NT, it’d probably be it’s quarter or even less…

Golden rule for Muslims: what contradicts the Quran is corrupt.

They often forget that God gave this criteria to the Bible long time before Muhammad’s birth and God does not lie.

 

[Ed_Rand]

Is there a mention of Jesus in either Talmud’s? Jesus wasn’t only discussed in the NT.

Does anyone have an answer for this?