Jesus use of Hyperbole

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what is capitalism about if not the amassing of capital? what makes the world go round in an economic sense? in our society money is power: to make laws and break laws. would oj simpson have been found not guilty if he had a public defender?
and why do you feel that any criticism of capitalism has to come from socialism?
 
La relación entre la fe y la razón expuesta parabolicamente por Cristo al ciego de nacimiento (Juan IX, 39), nos enseña la necesidad del raciocinio para hacer juicio justo de nuestras creencias, a fin de disolver las falsas certezas de la fe que nos hacen ciegos a la verdad mediante el discernimiento de los textos bíblicos. Lo cual nos exige criticar el profetismo judío o revelación para indagar “si es verdad o es mentira” que los textos bíblicos son palabra de Dios. Enmarcado la crítica en el fenómeno espiritual de la trasformación humana y, las ciencias y técnicas que nos ayudan a desarrollarnos espiritualmente. Abordados por la doctrina y la teoría de la trascendencia humana, conceptualizadas por los filósofos griegos y los místicos hindúes. Sabiduría védica instruida por Buda e ilustrada por Cristo, la cual concuerda con los planteamientos de la filosofía clásica y moderna, y las respuestas que la ciencia ha dado a los planteamientos trascendentales: (psicología, psicoterapia, logoterápia, desarrollo humano, etc.). Utilizando los principios universales del saber filosófico y espiritual como tabla rasa, a fin de deslindar y hacer objetivo lo “que es” o “no es” del mundo del espíritu. Método o criterio que nos ayuda a discernir objetivamente __la verdad o el error en los textos bíblicos analizando los diferentes aspectos y características que integran la triada preteológica: (la fenomenología, la explicación y la aplicación, del encuentro cercano escritos en los textos bíblicos). Vg: la conducta de los profetas Abraham y Moisés, no es la conducta de los místicos; la directriz del pensamiento de Abraham, es el deseo intenso de llegar a tener una descendencia numerosísima y llegar a ser un país rico como el de Ur, deseo intenso y obsesivo que es opuesto al despego de las cosas materiales pregonado por Cristo y seguido por los místicos y; es por ello, que la promesas de Yahvé a Abraham son alucinaciones contestatarias de los deseos del patriarca, y no tienen nada que ver con el mundo del espíritu. La directriz del pensamiento de Moisés, es la existencia de Israel entre la naciones a fin de llegar a ser la principal de todas, que es opuesta a la directriz de vida eterna o existencia después de la vida que orienta el pensamiento místico (Vg: la moradas celestiales, la salvación o perdición eterna a causa del bien o mal de nuestras obras en el juicio final de nuestra vida terrenal, abordadas por Cristo); el encuentro cercano descrito por Moisés en la zarza ardiente describe el fuego fatuo; el pie del rayo que pasa por el altar erigido por Moisés en el Monte Horeb, describe un fenómeno meteorológico; el pacto del Sinaí o mito fundacional de Israel como nación entre las naciones por voluntad divina a fin de santificar sus ancestros, su pueblo, su territorio, Jerusalén, el templo y la Torah; descripciones que no corresponden al encuentro cercano expresado por Cristo al experimentar la común unión: “El Padre y Yo, somos una misma cosa”, la cual coincide con la descrita por los místicos iluminados. Las leyes de la guerra dictadas por Moisés en el Deuteronomio causales del despojo, exterminio y sometimiento de las doce tribus cananeas y del actual genocidio del pueblo palestino, hacen evidente la ideología racista, criminal y genocida serial que sigue el pueblo judío desde tiempos bíblicos hasta hoy en día, conducta opuesta a la doctrina de la no violencia enseñada por Cristo __ Discernimiento que nos aporta las suficientes pruebas objetivas de juicio que nos dan la certeza que el profetismo judío o revelación bíblica, es un semillero del mal OPUESTO A LAS ENSEÑANZAS DE CRISTO, ya que en lugar de sanar y prevenir las enfermedades del alma para desarrollarnos espiritualmente, enerva a sus seguidores provocándoles: alucinaciones, estulticia, delirios, histeria y paranoia; propiciando la bibliolatría, el fanatismo, la intolerancia, el puritanismo, el sectarismo, e impidiendo su desarrollo espiritual. scribd.com/doc/17148152/ EN-DEFENSA-DE-LAS-RAICES-CRISTIANAS-DE-EUROPA-LAICA
Rodolfo, did you make a wrong turn somewhere?

La verdad es que no comprendo qué es lo que intentas con esta elavorada apuntación… comparar la economía del Antiguo Testamento con la del Nuevo Testamento es como comparar los productos naturales de la antiguedad con los del mundo de hoy: ambos tienen su méritos y ambos tienen sus fallos; la comparación de Moises y Cristo es nula ya que el primero se desarrolla en valores temporales con una vista larga hacia lo espiritual y el segundo disuelve lo corporal en lo espiritual.

May the Holy Spirit guide you!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Many people have a mistaken view that socialism is an economic system. It is not; it is a philosophy. When I trained for the priesthood many years ago socialism was a module in my philosophy degree, not my economics course.

Socialism is a philosophy which has always and everywhere, overtly or covertly, made it its first objective to remove God generally and Catholicism specifically from national and ultimately international discourse. The mistake is easily made, because socialism cleverly claims compassion as its own. But compassion is not its ultimate end, as the history of socialism (which includes the Nazism/National Socialism you excoriate, by the way) fairly conclusively shows. The only aim of socialism is to strip man of his transcendence, and to create a world so obsessed with values on the horizontal plane that the vertical plane is erased from the memory.

The message of compassion preached by socialism is a ploy to gain power. Here in Ireland the Labour Party spent the pre-election campaign talking about the economy, and have spent their time since in government attacking the Catholic Church (treading carefully, of course, as is their wont). Open your eyes and you will see that this is the legacy of socialism always and everywhere.

And finally, left and right are nothing but another ploy to get people thinking horizontally, and to get them to forget their call to know and love God FIRST. Both socialism and capitalism therefore are the progeny of one and the same father. Who funded the socialist revolution in Russia in 1917? it wasn’t the working man in Russia, I can assure you.

No Catholic should concern himself with either left or right to the detriment of his primary duty as a child of God to love and obey God, and to find in this love and obedience the inspiration to love and serve other people.
Excellent post!!! 👍

I specially enjoyed the concluding paragraph!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
In a recent “This Rock” magazine, there was an article (I believe by Mark Brumley) entitled “Was Jesus a Socialist”? He explains that many of Jesus’ comments that would seem to favor socialism are actually a use of Hyperbole. While I agree with his premise, how would one answer the critic who might argue that Jesus used Hyperbole in John 6:51-56 where he tells the people they must eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life?
HI,
If that is the case, could we say that the Gospels are nothing but books of hyperbole?
Where do we draw the line?
 
I don’t believe that Jesus used hyperbole. He used many figures of speech to teach people about God and how we should live but I don’t see anywhere that Jesus exaggerated anything. As to Jesus saying that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood in order to have eternal life in us; tell me if I’m incorrect but doesn’t the Church teach that the Eucharist is actually Jesus flesh and blood and that we take that into us when we put It in our mouth?

As I remember the situation at the time He said this; after Jesus said this, 5000 people said, "This is too hard for us, turned around and left Jesus. Jesus asked His disciples, “Are you going to leave me too?” If Jesus had been using hyperbole instead of the literal truth, all He would have had to say to get the 5000 disciples back would have been to say, "Hay guys! Don’t go! I was only using a figure of speech!

The fact that Jesus didn’t say that proves to me that He was speaking the Literal Truth. On a personal note. I was a Protestant who converted to become a Catholic when I was 27 y/o. One of the reasons I did that was that I was a guest during the Catholic Mass and out of respect I was not going to go up to take the Eucharist. I did go up after Jesus said to me 3 times, "Al, would you refuse me? I have no doubts that the Eucharist is the actual body and blood of Jesus. God bless you dear Brothers in Christ.
Hi, Al!

Welcome Home and welcome to the forum!

It amazes me that the very elite/educated/wise continues to subscribe to anything other than what Christ stated; did Jesus concern Himself with gaining popularity? The Man that stated “I Am the Truth” could not use guile to win His follwers while holding on to that Truth! It is the reason why Jesus did not attempt to change the mind of those who took His Words literally–not only that but He insisted on His Revelation… and when the dust began to settle, Jesus pressed onwards: "What say you, do you too want to forsake the Kingdom in lieu of more familiar pastures?’ (yeah quite a theatrical rendering…)

Jesus demanded more because He gave more; man, like water, is always seeking the easiest path!

It is only through humble obedience to the Holy Spirit that we can hear the Lord’s Voice and understand that His Command is quite sound and attainable: eating and drinking Christ is Life Eternal!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
People in orders typically are there of their own desire to be there. People in communist and socialist governements mostly are not.

I wouldn’t go that that far. If Socialism could be pulled off and not be abused by the leaders (Has not happened yet in the history of the planet), it would be great. Everyone would have access to food,water,clean living conditons, healthcare…ect. The problem is it is always abused, so it cannot work.

Capitolism, yet another politcal buzzword on your part. The real definition of capotilism is

Whereas certain people have made the term to mean evil, money grubbing corporations and executives. Capitalism is just privately owned business people trying to make money. Granted, some people will go overboard and even break the law to speed capitalism up for them. However, the cutthroat nature that always gets the news isn’t how 90% of capitalism is used in the real world.
How many forms of Socialism do you know? I’m not sure that the Scandinavians and others in Europe who currently live under systems put in place by Socialist governments in the past, or the rule of Socialist parties at the moment, feel that they are not ‘there of their own desire’ or ‘abused by their leaders’. In China, Vietnam and other places, there may be some truth to your observations. However, look at the alternatives based on the history of some of these countries. Remember, if you’re going to lead people to God, they have to be kept alive until you can get to them!😃

Capitalism has the potential to foster the worst in human nature, and to stifle the best. This is why it is essential for a capitalist to maintain Mt 25: 14-46 and James 2:14-26 before his or her eyes at all times. How many actually do that?
 
Jesus may not have directly condemned private property ownership, but he told the rich man to give away his possessions if he wanted to go to heaven even though the man was a good and moral person. Why? And someone please tell me where, according to Jesus, the rich go when they die?
and for the sake of clarity, my criticism of capitalism does not mean i am a socialist. the political debate in the U.S. is dumb. the things we have taken from socialism: social security, the 40hr. work week, medicaid and medicare, and hopefully in the future socialized medicine, are all positive things that help balance our society and are not steps down the slippery slope to tyranny as the fools who follow fox believe.
I think that you are confusing justice (as in the social doctrine of the Catholic Church) with what is commonly known as socialism (all for one and one for all–as dictated by those who cotrol the state…); while Jesus requires a greater justice of His disciples, He does not condem the wealthy unilaterally; Jesus states that it is not easy for the wealthy to be Saved… but the middle class and the poor have the same hinderance when it comes to money or some other form of attachments.

As it was mentioned before, it is the rejection of God over someone or something else that hinders Salvation.

This can be seen expressly within the Christian Community (Christendom) where many attach themselves to a belief/creed/format or person/s to the exclusion of Christ’s Commands!

When we place Yahweh God on equal standing with all other interests (including self) we are rejecting His Authority over us–anything, including wealth, that blinds us to the very first Commandment is the key to rendering us unfit to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven–ultimatedly, it is the individual person who choses death over Life, not Christ’s Condemnation, that derails our Salvation.

Christ Saves–the love of wealth (or anything other than God) does not.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
How many forms of Socialism do you know? I’m not sure that the Scandinavians and others in Europe who currently live under systems put in place by Socialist governments in the past, or the rule of Socialist parties at the moment, feel that they are not ‘there of their own desire’ or ‘abused by their leaders’. In China, Vietnam and other places, there may be some truth to your observations. However, look at the alternatives based on the history of some of these countries. Remember, if you’re going to lead people to God, they have to be kept alive until you can get to them!😃

Capitalism has the potential to foster the worst in human nature, and to stifle the best. This is why it is essential for a capitalist to maintain Mt 25: 14-46 and James 2:14-26 before his or her eyes at all times. How many actually do that?
Hence Christ’s warning that it is not easy for the wealthy (which includes all levels and from all sources) to be Saved!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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