Jesus vs Muhammad

[Sam_777]

He still has not answered my question as to why the muslims follow the Jewish dietary law of Leviticus of not eating pork, but Leviticuts also states that camel/hare & lizard is forbidden

**Muslims eat camel/hare & lizard… **

I still have not received an answer.

Because Arabian peninsula is full of Camels & Lizards, imagine if Muhammed prohibited those two main food sources on his followers, I think most of them will not follow him and accept Islam…

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 314:
My aunt presented (roasted) mastigures, Iqt and milk to the Prophet . The mastigures were put on his dining sheet, and if it was unlawful to eat, it would not have been put there. The Prophet drank the milk and ate the Iqt only.
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[dzheremi]

Because Arabian peninsula is full of Camels & Lizards, imagine if Muhammed prohibited those two main food sources on his followers, I think most of them will not follow him and accept Islam…

This is an interesting idea. Why is it that people would not accept Islam if they couldn’t have this food anymore? Having lizard or camel is more important than following God? This reminds me of the famous story where Muhammad is first instructed to pray 500 times a day (or some other big number), but protests when he says nobody will follow that command, so Allah changes it only 5 times a day. I guess Muhammad is the boss to Allah, telling Him what is best or most reasonable.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 314:
My aunt presented (roasted) mastigures, Iqt and milk to the Prophet . The mastigures were put on his dining sheet, and if it was unlawful to eat, it would not have been put there. The Prophet drank the milk and ate the Iqt only.
(E) (A)

Hmm…“if it was unlawful to eat, it would not have been put there”? What is that? Why are Muhammad’s actions and dietary habits retroactive proof of the law? This reminds me of the book published by O.J. Simpson after being acquitted of his wife’s murder. It was called something like “If I did do it, here’s how it would have happened”. Yes, yes…and if Muhammad DID eat the prohibited animals, they would not have been prohibited anymore, because he ate them. Muhammad is just that special.

 

[hamba2han]

By your logic than most westerners that shape our civilization to day, that invent lots of the advancement in technology today are acting like swines because the mostly eat swine? Those Chinese people of the Republic of China, the Japanese, the Korean, the Taiwanese who are now emerging advanced countries are behaving like swine, since their dietary consist of swine??

Look at the stark different with most Muslims majority countries which are still struggling to have their hand to mouth existence! And that is because they are abstaining themselves from swine…?
I’m afraid this sort of mentality have intoxicated you, Planten…!
But you’re not aware of it…

By your logic, the Jews of the past should have included the flesh of swine in their diet so as to enable them to successfully fight and prevent their enemies, specifically the pork-eating Babylonians and later the Romans, from destroying their Temple.

What you have put forward i.e. that abstaining from eating pork causes backwardness in societies, is totally illogical.

 

[hamba2han]

Hamba studies from the islamic school of Deedat… that’s all he knows, that’s all he posts…

He still has not answered my question as to why the muslims follow the Jewish dietary law of Leviticus of not eating pork, but Leviticuts also states that camel/hare & lizard is forbidden

**Muslims eat camel/hare & lizard… **

I still have not received an answer.

Could it because the islamic school of Deedat dodged that inquiry…???

“because they had not executed My judgments, but had despised My statutes and had polluted My Sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers’ idols. Therefore I gave them also statutes (Laws) that were not good and judgments whereby they should not live; and I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all who openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.” … Ezekiel 20:24-26

This Biblical commandment was in reference to various Laws for Israelites being made stricter and even life threatening, including dietary laws because the Israelites disobeyed God.

This is also explained in the Qur’an, Surah 6:146:

“And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal with undivided hoof, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.”

And God also reveals in the following verse that camels actually are nutritional, whereas in the Torah they were forbidden not because of health reasons like pork, but because of disobedience of Israelites.

"The sacrificial camels we have made for you as among the symbols from Allah: in them is (much) good for you: then pronounce the name of Allah over them as they line up (for sacrifice): when they are down on their sides (after slaughter), eat ye thereof, and feed such as (beg not but) live in contentment, and such as beg with due humility: thus have We made animals subject to you, that ye may be grateful.” … Surah 22:36

Also, there are Jewish dietary laws which were created by Rabbis, rather than recorded in the Torah. These laws are self inflicted laws, forbidding foods on yourself that God Almighty has made lawful.

An example of this Rabbi created food restriction is the Separation of Meat and Dairy.

Because of such human made laws forbidding the bounty and blessings from God, the Qur’an was sent by the Lord and states:

“All food was lawful to the children of Israel except that which Israel had forbidden to itself, before the Torah was revealed. Say: Bring then the Torah and read it, if you are truthful.” … (3:93)

In conclusion, I would like to say that Muslims are NOT at all asking Christians to start eating camel meat, but rather, we are urging Christians to STOP eating pork for the sake of Jesus (pbuh).

 

[planten]

“because they had not executed My judgments, but had despised My statutes and had polluted My Sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers’ idols. Therefore I gave them also statutes (Laws) that were not good and judgments whereby they should not live; and I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all who openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.” … Ezekiel 20:24-26

This Biblical commandment was in reference to various Laws for Israelites being made stricter and even life threatening, including dietary laws because the Israelites disobeyed God.

This is also explained in the Qur’an, Surah 6:146:

“And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal with undivided hoof, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.”

And God also reveals in the following verse that camels actually are nutritional, whereas in the Torah they were forbidden not because of health reasons like pork, but because of disobedience of Israelites.

"The sacrificial camels we have made for you as among the symbols from Allah: in them is (much) good for you: then pronounce the name of Allah over them as they line up (for sacrifice): when they are down on their sides (after slaughter), eat ye thereof, and feed such as (beg not but) live in contentment, and such as beg with due humility: thus have We made animals subject to you, that ye may be grateful.” … Surah 22:36

Also, there are Jewish dietary laws which were created by Rabbis, rather than recorded in the Torah. These laws are self inflicted laws, forbidding foods on yourself that God Almighty has made lawful.

An example of this Rabbi created food restriction is the Separation of Meat and Dairy.

Because of such human made laws forbidding the bounty and blessings from God, the Qur’an was sent by the Lord and states:

“All food was lawful to the children of Israel except that which Israel had forbidden to itself, before the Torah was revealed. Say: Bring then the Torah and read it, if you are truthful.” … (3:93)

In conclusion, I would like to say that Muslims are NOT at all asking Christians to start eating camel meat, but rather, we are urging Christians to STOP eating pork for the sake of Jesus (pbuh).

Excellent post. Makes me understand why the Jews were forbidden camels meat and who forbade them. Thanks.

The Jews never ate Pork, in the past. Even now they may not be going near it. I do not know. But I can assume unless proved contrary. The Jews who do not eat Pork are still very wise and on top of the world educationally and technically. So what use is Pork? Is it helping in the advancement of Science?? Quite a silly idea.

Our contention is not in the wisdom. It is in the beliefs. It is a spiritual matter of being obedient or disobedient to a good cause. Disobediencee spoils the soul. That is all.

Othewise we have nothing the swine of the christians. We Muslims do not go near it because God has forbidden it and because Moses, Jesus and Muhammad have forbidden it. That is all. My only wish was that christians should not take too much interest in the swine which is being projected here too much.