Jesus vs Muhammad

[qwerk]

Allah in terms of Catholocism…

As I continue reading the posts on this thread…I thought I would post this article pertaining to the Allah in Catholocism. A warning please read the whole article as it can be a little difficult to understand and you may have to re-read it to clearly conceptualize it, but when you get past that I think it can be very useful. Especially in terms of the Catholic views of Allah.

The article is titled:
Muslims Worship the One True God
Only Their ‘Receiving Apparatus’ Is Defective
By Fr. Brian W. Harrison, O.S.

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0301fea4.asp

If this link doesn’t work you can find this article by searching the CA Faith tab and it should come up.

May God Bless you and keep you in the palm of His hand. :hug3:

That link isn’t any good, try this one: catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0301fea4.asp I think I see the problem with this post because it shows the code - there are two http//: in the embedded code.

The church is admitting that Muhammad was ‘defective’ (probably deserves another rolling laughing guy).

Unfortunately, I think I don’t agree with the Catholic Church. God would not have allowed such a thing if Muhammad was talking about Him. I do believe what ‘talked’ to Muhammad was a spirit because the message is one that is of Satan: lie, steal, hate, kill, torture, or basically bring chaos to the world.

 

[KS_On_The_Rock]

Thank you qwerk for correcting the link. I tried to fix it but it wouldn’t open up correctly. So angain thank you.

May God Bless you and keep you in the palm of His hand. :hug3:

KS

 

[elwill]

That’s not true at all. You must accept Christ as the redeemer of the world. As God made flesh to show us the truth. As God made flesh who died on the cross for our sins. Then you must repent of your sins. You must ask Him for forgiveness.

We condemn ourselves to hell by not accepting Christ as God and then by not asking for His forgiveness. If you die unrepentant and outside of Christ…then you (plural) have condemned yourself. It doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love you…It’s that you (plural) don’t love God.

so if i disbelieved in God he will send me to the hell , but it dosn’t mean that hated me for my disbeliefs

 

[elwill]

elwill,

To answer your questions, God does in fact love all of his creation. ALL humans, ALL animals, ALL of the earth, everything that He has made, everything He has created. He even loves those that do not love Him…I strongly suggest you read this article that might help you better understand the Christian, and especially Catholic thinking behind this.

catholic.com/library/gods_love_for_you.asp

This might help you with your questions regarding God’s love for us all, and how we can regain that love.

May God Bless you and keep you in the palm of His Hand :hug3:

KS

thank you for the article , but it dosn’t address my question about his love for dibelievers

let me talking about the issues which your articl raised
God loves us so much that he sent his only Son to become one of us and to save the human race.

if this is why God is love , then we believe either that God loves us so much that he sent us his prophets for the people with revelations to save the human race

further in the article it says
Will you choose sin and separation? A life of selfishness, greed, and anger? A life of bitterness, frustration, even despair?
Or will you choose to become what you should be? Will you choose to embrace God’s love (even through the carrying of your own cross), to receive his forgiveness and healing, and to live as he made you to live–the only way you can be truly happy?

here he says that who choose to believe in christ will recieve his forgivness and healing , what about the others ?

my conclusion is that the concept of love which God have to all people are enclosed on his grace to sent for us the guidence .
some will refuse the guidence and some will follow it , my question is about love of God for those whom choose to refuse his massage
if he loves their disbelieves after his love which be offered to them , then give me clues ?

 

[seraphime2008]

and what do you think ? is that acceptable justification

No…!!!.never!!! especially when the motive was to get all the wealth (even torturing someone to death to get all the buried treasure), the ladies and children to be taken as slaves and concubines, and especially being reported of saying this:

“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim 41:6981, Sahih Muslim 41:6982, Sahih Muslim 41:6983, Sahih Muslim 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari 4:52:177)

 

[elwill]

No…!!!.never!!! especially when the motive was to get all the wealth (even torturing someone to death to get all the buried treasure), the ladies and children to be taken as slaves and concubines

they were judged by their own laws in old testament afterall as i described before

 

[Mosacked]

so if i disbelieved in God he will send me to the hell , but it dosn’t mean that hated me for my disbeliefs

God does not send you to hell. You end up in hell as a consequence of your own evil devices. Hell was made for the devil, sinful men & women join the devil when they refuse to be saved by God through the redemption blood of His only begotten Son, Jesus.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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[RockyRoad]

so if i disbelieved in God he will send me to the hell , but it dosn’t mean that hated me for my disbeliefs

elwill…God does not send us to hell. We condemn ourselves to hell. God loves all His creation. Especially people. We send ourselves to hell be rejecting God. If we reject Jesus…how can we expect Him to welcome us to His home…heaven.

God loves everybody regardless of our sinful ways. God loved Hitler…Stalin…Mao and still loves Kim Joong Il. But they reject God…therefore unless truly repentent before they die…they condemn themselves to hell.

 

[RockyRoad]

thank you for the article , but it dosn’t address my question about his love for dibelievers

let me talking about the issues which your articl raised
God loves us so much that he sent his only Son to become one of us and to save the human race.

if this is why God is love , then we believe either that God loves us so much that he sent us his prophets for the people with revelations to save the human race

further in the article it says
Will you choose sin and separation? A life of selfishness, greed, and anger? A life of bitterness, frustration, even despair?
Or will you choose to become what you should be? Will you choose to embrace God’s love (even through the carrying of your own cross), to receive his forgiveness and healing, and to live as he made you to live–the only way you can be truly happy?

here he says that who choose to believe in christ will recieve his forgivness and healing , what about the others ?

my conclusion is that the concept of love which God have to all people are enclosed on his grace to sent for us the guidence .
some will refuse the guidence and some will follow it , my question is about love of God for those whom choose to refuse his massage
if he loves their disbelieves after his love which be offered to them , then give me clues ?

He does not love their disbelief. He is sad over their disbelief. But he still loves them. If they die disbelieving…then they have condemned their soul to an eternity without God. We all call it hell.

If your son were to reject you as his father…would you not as his father still love him? Would you not as his father still wish for reconciliation with your son? Of course you would.

 

[elwill]

elwill…God does not send us to hell. We condemn ourselves to hell. God loves all His creation. Especially people. We send ourselves to hell be rejecting God. If we reject Jesus…how can we expect Him to welcome us to His home…heaven.

God loves everybody regardless of our sinful ways. God loved Hitler…Stalin…Mao and still loves Kim Joong Il. But they reject God…therefore unless truly repentent before they die…they condemn themselves to hell.

can i have something from the bible refere to love of God for crimers and disbelievers and athiest or whatever every thing in the world
may be then i can understnad your insight , may be we are talking about two different things without common ground

 

[RockyRoad]

can i have something from the bible refere to love of God for crimers and disbelievers and athiest or whatever every thing in the world
may be then i can understnad your insight , may be we are talking about two different things without common ground

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

He loves the whole world…that includes everyone. But only those who believe in Jesus can enter heaven.

 

[elwill]

He does not love their disbelief. He is sad over their disbelief. But he still loves them. If they die disbelieving…then they have condemned their soul to an eternity without God. We all call it hell.

If your son were to reject you as his father…would you not as his father still love him? Would you not as his father still wish for reconciliation with your son? Of course you would.

i just wanna to recognize what you see to be difference
the only difference i see now between my God and your God is that my God will torture the disbelievers because he hated thier behaviour , while your God will also torture the disbelievers while he loves them

can i consider that what you trying to proof ?

 

[RockyRoad]

i just wanna to recognize what you see to be difference
the only difference i see now between my God and your God is that my God will torture the disbelievers because he hated thier behaviour , while your God will also torture the disbelievers while he loves them

can i consider that what you trying to proof ?

Not at all. I’m trying to say that God loves all people. We condemn ourselves to hell and the torture of hell by rejecting God. God does not torture anyone. I’m not sure how I can be clearer.

God loves everyone. Good…bad…saintly…evil. He want the salvation of all men and women. But that comes by accepting the incredible love He displayed by allowing Himself to be crucified…die…be buried and then rise from the dead. Those who reject Him…reject eternal life in Him. If you reject eternal life in Christ…then the only other option is eternal life in hell. BUT…we make our choice.

 

[jakasaki]

I urge Christians to follow Jesus (pbuh) and stop consuming pork and blood.

And I urge all muslims to follow Our Lord Jesus and stop eating camel…!!!

Now, excuse me while I eat my bacon sandwich and consume a large glass of blood…

 

[RockyRoad]

For Christians who are happily pointing to Matthew 15-11 as “justification” for them to consume pork and blood:

11What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean.’ "

They really do need to refer to a later passage in the chapter in order to view and understand the above verse in it’s proper and correct context:

16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.
17"Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body?
18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man ‘unclean.’
19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
20These are what make a man ‘unclean’; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him ‘unclean.’ "

You see, Jesus (pbuh) was most certainly not giving permission to his followers to consume pork and blood because verse 11 above is referring to those who eat with unwashed hands, NOT those who consume pork and blood which is forbidden according to the teachings of Jesus (pbuh).

I urge Christians to follow Jesus (pbuh) and stop consuming pork and blood.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Jesus commanded to drink His blood. Wake up!

 

[hamba2han]

Matthew 15:1&2
1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!"

How can there be any doubt at all that the answer provided by Jesus (pbuh) in Matthew 15 was in direct response to a question about eating without first washing one’s hands?

It is diabolical for Christians to happily deduce that verse 11 i.e. What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean.’ " is a carte blanche for them to eat anything they want regardless of whether or not Jesus (pbuh) has warned that God Almighty has prohibited it.

 

[Loboto-Me]

1 Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils, 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared, 3 Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be rejected that is received with thanksgiving:** 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer**

Quick translation: There are going to be some that come around who have left the faith, who will listen and obey “spirits of error” and “doctrines of devils”. They’re hypocrits and liars. They’re going to forbid marriage and tell us to abstain from meat that God created for us to be thankful for by those of us who have already known the truth (which is Jesus as the NEW Covenant as the FULFILLMENT of the Old Covenant). ALL creatures of God is good and NOTHING is to be rejected that’s received in thanksgiving. It’s sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

 

[RockyRoad]

Matthew 15:1&2
1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!"

How can there be any doubt at all that the answer provided by Jesus (pbuh) in Matthew 15 was in direct response to a question about eating without first washing one’s hands?

It is diabolical for Christians to happily deduce that verse 11 i.e. What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean.’ " is a carte blanche for them to eat anything they want regardless of whether or not Jesus (pbuh) has warned that God Almighty has prohibited it.

It is diabolical for muslims to deny Christ is God. And once again…you don’t know what you’re talking about.

So I guess if you tell your child not to put worms in his mouth…you have to be specific the next time and tell him not to put hornets in his mouth. Then the next time…you have to tell him not to put a fly in his mouth. Jesus was talking about everything. As a muslim who considers the bible to be corrupted…don’t you dare tell Christians what the bible teaches when it suits the perversions of islam!

 

[algebra]

It is diabolical for Christians to happily deduce that verse 11 i.e. What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.

Hamba that is not why christians eat pork.

It is clearly a sin to eat pork according to the Torah.

There is no ambiguity in that.

However Jesus tells us in no ambiguous terms that His death will pay for our sins.

In effect eating khanzir will not send a person to hell.

To add to that Peter had a vision where he was asked to eat the food prepared by gentiles with the gentiles - a sin for an observant jew.

This was an emphasis on Jesus’ teachings that He alone saves us, not the law.

There is a new covenant under Jesus, the covenant states that the law still exists, but we are delivered from it or saved from it by Jesus alone.

We are not saved by our actions or our works.

We are not punished for our sins.

The new covenant is a convenant of love, where a man acts ethically out of love for God and the price His Son paid for us.
A man no longer acts ethically out of fear of God.

**The acceptance of islam would take us back into the covenant of fear and punishment. It is a step into darkness for a christian who lives in the light.

If all christians knew their faith well (from a jewish perspective) they would never accept islam.

Unfortunately most cradle catholics and christians are woefully educated about their own religion.

Today the catechism is “Catholicism for dummies” , and those “dummies” frequently step into the darkness of islam.**

 

[RockyRoad]

Hamba that is not why christians eat pork.

It is clearly a sin to eat pork according to the Torah.

There is no ambiguity in that.

However Jesus tells us in no ambiguous terms that His death will pay for our sins.

In effect eating khanzir will not send a person to hell.

To add to that Peter had a vision where he was asked to eat the food prepared by gentiles with the gentiles - a sin for an observant jew.

This was an emphasis on Jesus’ teachings that He alone saves us, not the law.

There is a new covenant under Jesus, the covenant states that the law still exists, but we are delivered from it or saved from it by Jesus alone.

We are not saved by our actions or our works.

We are not punished for our sins.

The new covenant is a convenant of love, where a man acts ethically out of love for God and the price His Son paid for us.
A man no longer acts ethically out of fear of God.

**The acceptance of islam would take us back into the covenant of fear and punishment. It is a step into darkness for a christian who lives in the light.

If all christians knew their faith well (from a jewish perspective) they would never accept islam.

Unfortunately most cradle catholics and christians are woefully educated about their own religion.

Today the catechism is “Catholicism for dummies” , and those “dummies” frequently step into the darkness of islam.**

Not I said the blind man who picked up his hammer and saw. Islam is of Satan.