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Post back on your findings - and I hope Janet [freedomwriter and others] will as well …
Perhaps they will even answer my questions … like
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Perhaps they will even answer my questions … like
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deb216
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Do you believe that it is possible for water to be in the ocean, in the clouds, in the glaciers and still be within every cell in your body…all at the same time? God is like that, Don. He can be everywhere at once and still dwell in your heart. No matter how He is perceived, no matter what form He takes, God is God. Always and everywhere.
God is the sum of all knowledge and reason, Don. That is what it means to be The Word. We have been discovering things for thousands of years without learning all there is to know about everything. To be more correct, God doesn’t defy logic. We simply haven’t caught up to His level of understanding.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word *was with *God, and the Word was God. Not “a” God but God. How can Jesus be with God and be God at the same time? I do not know…but I believe nonetheless. The Scriptures do not lie.
“I and the Father are one.” (John 10:30)
Jesus existed before He was born of Mary. Ergo, He was not the product of a union between two beings and two sets of DNA. Do you seriously believe that the God who created life from nothing was incapable of being cradled in the womb outside of the normal means of conception?
It defies your logic, not mine. I know that God is not limited to human understanding. He can do things we cannot do. He said “let there be” and it was. I can’t do that. You can’t do that. God can and did. Hallelujah!
I believe in God with all my heart, all my soul and all my mind. God–the eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, perfect Creator all of the Universe. God, the I AM. God, the Alpha and the Omega. You are right that the Scriptures do not lie, Don. I am not questioning the Scriptures, just your personal interpretation of them.
Peace be with you.
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freedomwriter
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Read John 7:5 slowly and you will see that his brothers were not believers. Theres not going around it brother.You keep saying this but where is the biblical passage that states “*The brothers of Jesus were not Christians at the time of the curcifixion.” * Please cite for me Book, Chapter and Verse … clearly stated and not merely your “interpretation” gleaned from a passage[respectfully asked of my Bible Alone Protestant Brethren]
And where is it clearly written in scriptures that the brothers of Jesus were suddenly convinced of the Messianic Truth that Jesus was God Incarnate and become believers? You would think that that would be note worthy … and when that moentous event occurred - why did they not come and collect their mother from the care of John? After all, repsect and lovve for ones mother along with Christian duty would dictate that they take her into their own homes - as a son should and care for her!
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In point of fact I would argue that not one individual was a “Christian” at the time of the Crucifixion … they [those who followed Jesus] were Jews who believed that Jesus was the Messiah. These individuals lived within the Jewish community - as such - for many years until they were fully expelled from the Jewish community. They in essence functioned at a Sect within Judaism …
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freedomwriter
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Too much yada yada and not enough meat into what you are saying hmmm
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FanChan
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That sounds like a great way to cop out of having an intelligent response.
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And you are reading into that passage much more then is there …
And these “brothers” are noted as believers after the resurrection … if they are in fact blood brothers and Mary’s sons - why do they not then take over the care of Mary once they become believers?
Why does scripture not make mention of how the brothers of Jesus are brought into the faith … especially as it was important for the Gospel writers to note how Jesus was unable to work miracles in his home town …
And FYI - I find your arguments for them being actual sons of Mary very weak scripturally.
By the way - do you know what Calvin wrote about the Perpetual Virginity of Mary? Could you share your thoughts on his writings?
Also, can you share what your scriptural back ground is? Have you studied Scripture and Theology formally? What was the background of your instructors?
I am trying to figure out why you think I should bend my understanding of scripture to your interpretation …
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The following scritpures are intended to help Don Hepler understand that God is not a man and that the things God does do not have to make sense to us:
John 4:23-24, “But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
Matthew 19:23-26, “Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.”
Numbers 23:19, “God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?”
Isaiah 28:21, “For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.”
The following scriptures are intended to help serve as a reminder of the necessity for accuracy:
Proverbs 14:12, “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.”
Ezekiel 14:9, “And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.”
Deut. 13:1-4, "If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. "
James 1:12-16, “Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren.”
Also, John chapters 14-16 contain passages relating to the Holy Ghost.
John 4:23-24, “But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
Matthew 19:23-26, “Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.”
Numbers 23:19, “God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?”
Isaiah 28:21, “For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.”
The following scriptures are intended to help serve as a reminder of the necessity for accuracy:
Proverbs 14:12, “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.”
Ezekiel 14:9, “And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.”
Deut. 13:1-4, "If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. "
James 1:12-16, “Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren.”
Also, John chapters 14-16 contain passages relating to the Holy Ghost.
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deb216
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Brethren means brother.
Brethren means step-brother.
Brethren means kinsman
Brethren means members of a religion or fraternal organization.
Which is meant in the Scriptures? Ask the Church. It is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth…
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Too sad you do not know what the term YADA means in hebrew …
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Louie1983
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What does it mean? I’m sure it’s something beautiful!Too sad you do not know what the term YADA means in hebrew …
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Angelo_Michael
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I’m pretty sure yadah means praise.
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Yada is a word that means knowledge of - even intimate knowledge … it can be used to describe intimate relations [to ‘know’ a man for example] …to know a soul mate - deep understanding and familiarity.
Ultimately - We are on a journey seeking God, we desire to know and be known by God intimately and completely …
YADA is a description of my journey of faith - I want to know all that I can about our Lord and I desire to be in relation with Him - to do His will not mine …
And I hazard to say that you would agree that is our Christian hope … A journey of knowledge - seeking Truth … seeking Jesus
Is it not? -
My response - … I pray
Know [Yada] me Lord,
Search me,
Never let me go.
Abide in me, Lord
As I abide in You
Amen -
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Louie1983
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That it beautiful! i was right!
Yada is a word that means knowledge of - even intimate knowledge … it can be used to describe intimate relations [to ‘know’ a man for example] …to know a soul mate - deep understanding and familiarity.
Ultimately - We are on a journey seeking God, we desire to know and be known by God intimately and completely …
YADA is a description of my journey of faith - I want to know all that I can about our Lord and I desire to be in relation with Him - to do His will not mine …
And I hazard to say that you would agree that is our Christian hope … A journey of knowledge - seeking Truth … seeking Jesus
Is it not? -
My response - … I pray
Know [Yada] me Lord,
Search me,
Never let me go.
Abide in me, Lord
As I abide in You
Amen -
Yes i agree with you. It is a journey of truth, hope and seeking Christ! But i have no doubt i’m doing this because i serve the pope and the church! The church thsat is the pillar of truth!
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Angelo_Michael
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Earlier, in what is now reply #89, I wrote, “Somewhere in the Old Testament I must have remembered something about, ‘…after God’s house is built then there will be a returning and rebuilding of David’s ruined house…’ and I figured after Christ was born Joseph was then allowed to build up his own seed.” And that is what I meant, ‘I must have remembered’, as in it was an inaccuracy on my part that I failed to eradicate at the time and may have contributed to my thoughts. The scripture I am referencing is more than likely Amos 9:11, and from what I understand there are many interpretations to it, (bible.cc/amos/9-11.htm). However, I think the one I have given it here may not be applicable and is really intended more as a reflection of my ability to confuse things, either from physical trauma, ignorance, or uncertainty.
Also, about yadah, I was remembering from an intro to Hebrew writing and reading workbook I did. But here is a site also: watchmanministries.org/worship/HebrewforPraise.htm
…maybe yada and yadah are different words? I remember accent and stress are important in Hebrew.
Also, about yadah, I was remembering from an intro to Hebrew writing and reading workbook I did. But here is a site also: watchmanministries.org/worship/HebrewforPraise.htm
…maybe yada and yadah are different words? I remember accent and stress are important in Hebrew.
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Yada and Yadah are in fact two different words - though there is a relationship … Yadah can mean he giving of oneself in worship and adoration to the Lord. Lifting up your hands unto the Lord. So in that respect it can also reference a journey of surrender to the Lord - like a %between%young child embraces their parent - as if to say "pick me up, Lord, I’m nothing without you , I am all yours – completely.
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freedomwriter
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FanChan i have already given scripture to back up what i am saying as well as Janet. I haven’t seen much scripture in others reply. So don’t tell me i am copping out.
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freedomwriter
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WoW The Word of God speaks for itself. You don’t have to believe me but that doesn’t change anything. I don’t see that will all these scriptures of Mary having other sons is weak scripturally. I know of one son who became a believer in Jesus and that is James in the book of Acts. As far as them taken care of Mary after they become believers, who is to say they didn’t. The bible doesn’t say anything about it. To be honest i do not read much of Calvin. I am a student of God’s Word, My instructor is Christ and as far as His background just read the Bible. Again for the last time this is not my interpretation. All you have to do is compare scripture with scripture.And you are reading into that passage much more then is there …
And these “brothers” are noted as believers after the resurrection … if they are in fact blood brothers and Mary’s sons - why do they not then take over the care of Mary once they become believers?
Why does scripture not make mention of how the brothers of Jesus are brought into the faith … especially as it was important for the Gospel writers to note how Jesus was unable to work miracles in his home town …
And FYI - I find your arguments for them being actual sons of Mary very weak scripturally.
By the way - do you know what Calvin wrote about the Perpetual Virginity of Mary? Could you share your thoughts on his writings?
Also, can you share what your scriptural back ground is? Have you studied Scripture and Theology formally? What was the background of your instructors?
I am trying to figure out why you think I should bend my understanding of scripture to your interpretation …
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freedomwriter
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lol For the last time the word brother in the NT is adelphos in the Greek. Meaning literal blood brothers. NOWHERE in the NT is adelphos used for cousins or any other. Thats is the problem with the catholic faith, they believe that the church is the finally authority of scripture. I encourage you to read and study the Word of God on your own.
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freedomwriter
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Yes yada is beautiful thanks for sharing your thoughtsToo sad you do not know what the term YADA means in hebrew …
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