Jesus was an only son.. Mary did not have more children!!

[PRmerger]

Does the Holy Spirit move in your heart, do you hear the “voice of God?”?

As a Catholic I can one-up you on this, 1beleevr! In the Eucharist He and I are completely joined. We become One Flesh. How* totally awesome *is that??!! :extrahappy:

 

[1beleevr]

prmerger: That doesound rather incredible(I try to use the word awesome just for God)! I have such a deep personal relationship with my Saviour, that everyday, I commune with Him, talk with Him, share His Love with others(Christians an non Christians alike! Because Christ is so available, and will meet you where you are, you don’t have to only meet Him in church:thumbsup: When I witness to people about Jesus, I always remind them of that fact. I relate stories about the woman at the well, the woman caught in adultery, the Ethiopian eunuch, and the woman who touched Jesus’s garment! I don’t discourage them from attending church, just letting them know that when Jesus is in them, that He is always there for them:thumbsup:I am so excited about being in His flock, that no matter where I am, I will just start talking about Jesus and all He has done for me! I still believe that when one serves His God, this adds a whole new dimension to his/her walk!:thumbsup:May the Love of God, and the peace of Christ, flood your heart, and fill your life, as you follow Him! God bless you, my sister in Christ!

 

[1beleevr]

prieldedi: And God knew that we humans could not keep His Commandments; hence the need for a Saviour! I do believe in deathbed conversions, only because God Himself said,“I will show mercy, to whom I decide to show mercy!” No one knows what is in a man’s heart, but God! And I do believe that WILLFUL disobedience after one has been “saved”, puts you on the road to destruction! While i, like all other humans, pastpresent and future, have a sin nature, I also have a keener sense of sinful thoughts, before I am drawn into committing them! The Holy Spirit quickly convicts me, and I immediately repent, confess, and thank God for His forgiveness(1John 1:9). And you make some good points, however I am a little concerned about you saying that there is no guarantee for salvationAnd Philippians 2:12, is a bit vague; as it doesn’t really say, that you should fear losing your salvation, but fear the Lord(the beginning of wisdom), and keep His ommandments! And Christ said that the sick need a physician, not the healthy; which includes your soul! I really believe that many of the verses that you cited can relate to a test of one’s faith, and committment to Christ. He will separate the pretenders from the contenders, the chaff from the wheat, and "faux Christians will be exposed! Which number will you be counted in?

 

[PRmerger]

I try to use the word awesome just for God)!

Interesting. Do you think it’s* wrong *to use the word “awesome” for something else?

 

[PRmerger]

I have such a deep personal relationship with my Saviour, that everyday, I commune with Him, talk with Him, share His Love with others(Christians an non Christians alike!

Awesome! (Oops! Sorry if you think that is wrong. )

I have no doubt that your friendship with Christ is fulfilling and admirable. It’s just that you and He cannot consummate your relationship without the Eucharist. You and Jesus are best buddies. But not One Flesh.

Because Christ is so available, and will meet you where you are, you don’t have to only meet Him in church:thumbsup:

Think of it this way: You and Jesus have a platonic friendship. He’s your beloved friend and you can call him up any time and he’ll meet you wherever you are. Catholics have a “spousal” relationship with Christ. We can call him up any time and he’ll meet with us wherever we are, too, but whenever we want to share a marital embrace, an intimate One Flesh Union, we go to a special place to do that.

 

[elvisman]

elvisman: I am going to take you at your word, that you have a scripture to back up,"you’re not saved until you’re in Heaven!Period! Perhaps safe in Heaven is a better choice of words! Even though we are saved by the Blood, and baptism, we are not safe from the wiles of the Devil And anyone with a lick of logic and sense, knows that salvation is a lifelong process.

"Hey, my Bible does not have 2Peter2:26-27; it only goes to 21

That was a typo.
By the way – it’s verses** 20-22****. If your Bible doesn’t have a verse 22 – throw it away.**

And in Matthew 7:21-22, Jesus may have POSSIBLY meant “faux” Christians; those who can "talk the talk, but can’t walk the walk!"Who MAY be window dressing, going through the motions, hoping to “sneak” into Heaven I don’t believe that you can definitively translate 1Cor9:27, to mean that if you do something, like sin that you may lose your salvation! It could mean that if you are not vigilant in keeping yourself “fit”, in the Lord’s ways(priest, pastor, apostle) you may lose the privilege of doing the Lord’s work(in other words; practice what you preach).Romans 8:24(should include verse 25), it is, I believe talking about being patient, persevering and faithful that God wil deliver on His promise of eternal life! Not totally sure how to interpret Romans 11:22, but it may have something to do with willful disobedience and falling into darkness, after having been in the light. Bottom line is, I cannot in good conscience, tell anyone that they can, or have lost their salvation This is God’s dominion, and He knows what is in a man’s heart

WRONG, friend.
These passages ALL point to Christians – believers – Christians who fell away.

Real quick, off topic; a non believer approaches you, deduces that you are a Christian, because you are reading your Bible. He/she says,“Tell me about Jesus!” What would you, elvisman do?

I would tell them what Jesus did for them, explain the promises of Christ to all who belong to his Church.

**You use a lot of terms like, “I believe” this or that and “It could mean” this or that or *“I don’t know for sure”*****about this or that. You don’t know for sure which shows that you have no Authority to determine what the Scriptures mean. **
Jesus didn’t guarantee YOU that the Holy Spirit would guide you to ALL truth as he did the Church.
Paul didn’t call YOU the Pillar and foundation of Truth – he said that about the Church.

 

[avflf]

Yeah, avflf. What he said me, pointing my thumb at SonofMonica

And, I have a question for you, avflf. Do you feel the freedom to disagree with any of Christ’s doctrines? For that is what you are doing when you deny the teaching of Mary’s PV.

Let me answer your statement first. I do not know where you read that I denied the PV belief. I cannot comment on something I did not witness. So I’m OK with the PV and non-PV teachings as it does not affect my belief in the creative force that brought about all there is and was.
As for your question the answer is “Yes”. I have the freedom and the right to question anyone and anything including the Bible.

What the CC teaches is that Christ Himself is telling you “believe in A” and you’re saying, “Well, Lord, I believe in B, C and D but as for A…not so much.” Yikes!!

Considering the amount of “pious forgeries” attributed to the CC right back to the CF’s and also the impossibility to be certain that the words attributed to the Christ were actually spoken by him and are not just another “pious forgery” you cannot blame me for having a few doubts on what the Christ was supposed to have taught.

 

[Arandur]

Let me answer your statement first. I do not know where you read that I denied the PV belief. I cannot comment on something I did not witness. So I’m OK with the PV and non-PV teachings as it does not affect my belief in the creative force that brought about all there is and was.
As for your question the answer is “Yes”. I have the freedom and the right to question anyone and anything including the Bible.

Of course you have the freedom. But is the choice to reject “Christ’s doctrines” righteous?

Considering the amount of “pious forgeries” attributed to the CC right back to the CF’s and also the impossibility to be certain that the words attributed to the Christ were actually spoken by him and are not just another “pious forgery” you cannot blame me for having a few doubts on what the Christ was supposed to have taught.

Are you calling the Bible a “pious forgery?”
Do you believe that God has the power to preserve His Word? Do you believe He promised to do so? Do you believe He keeps His promises?

 

[avflf]

Of course you have the freedom. But is the choice to reject “Christ’s doctrines” righteous?

All religious doctrines (not Christianity alone) have truths that, if followed, would make life much more sweet and peaceful. Take Confucius who said that we must be “like the camphor tree that even perfumes the ax that cuts it down”. Isn’t that, in essence, what the Christ said, centuries later, about “loving your enemy, doing good to those that hate you”
As religions go, Christianity, with its emphasis on an innocent man being put to death for the transgressions of others, is barbaric and in fact goes against the O/T injunction, that the innocent would not be put to death for the guilty.

Are you calling the Bible a “pious forgery?”

As the O/T goes there’s nothing pious about it.

Do you believe that God has the power to preserve His Word? Do you believe He promised to do so? Do you believe He keeps His promises?

Not the O/T God. He repents a lot so he cannot be trusted to be faithful.

 

[Janet1983]

Just curious: what is the significance of the “1983” in your username, Janet? (I thought I read in one of your posts that the “1983” indicated the date you were “saved”).

Well… I didn’t quite monitor this everlasting thread…
I don’t remember writing anything like that. I was born in 1983. I started using that name with my very first own email address (that doesn’t exist anymore) in 2000 and use it ever since (except for those cases when someone else already has it which happenes more and more often these days).

 

[Prieldedi]

prieldedi: … I am a little concerned about you saying that there is no guarantee for salvationAnd Philippians 2:12, is a bit vague; as it doesn’t really say, that you should fear losing your salvation, but fear the Lord(the beginning of wisdom), and keep His ommandments! And Christ said that the sick need a physician, not the healthy; which includes your soul! I really believe that many of the verses that you cited can relate to a test of one’s faith, and committment to Christ. He will separate the pretenders from the contenders, the chaff from the wheat, and "faux Christians will be exposed! Which number will you be counted in?

What better proof than Judas? Jesus asked Judas to follow him. He walked with the Lord for three years yet in the end he was lost. There is no guarantee for salvation.

God bless you

 

[Arandur]

All religious doctrines (not Christianity alone) have truths that, if followed, would make life much more sweet and peaceful. Take Confucius who said that we must be “like the camphor tree that even perfumes the ax that cuts it down”. Isn’t that, in essence, what the Christ said, centuries later, about “loving your enemy, doing good to those that hate you”
As religions go, Christianity, with its emphasis on an innocent man being put to death for the transgressions of others, is barbaric and in fact goes against the O/T injunction, that the innocent would not be put to death for the guilty.

I don’t think you addressed my point. Yes, I agree there is truth to be found in other religions. These are subsets of God’s truth transmitted to other peoples through other means, something also found within Christ’s teachings, wherein lies the fullness of truth.

The point was, though, is it righteous to reject Christ’s doctrines? Part of the fullness of truth? Reject?

As the O/T goes there’s nothing pious about it.

You’re saying the OT is a forgery?

Not the O/T God. He repents a lot so he cannot be trusted to be faithful.

Are you a gnostic or Marcionite? Believing that the OT’s “Yahweh” is really Satan? Or that the OT God is another god, different from the NT?

 

[PRmerger]

Well… I didn’t quite monitor this everlasting thread…
I don’t remember writing anything like that. I was born in 1983. I started using that name with my very first own email address (that doesn’t exist anymore) in 2000 and use it ever since (except for those cases when someone else already has it which happenes more and more often these days).

Ah. My mistake then. Thank you for clarifying.

 

[PRmerger]

Let me answer your statement first. I do not know where you read that I denied the PV belief. I cannot comment on something I did not witness.

Do you mean you can’t comment on something you didn’t write?

So I’m OK with the PV and non-PV teachings as it does not affect my belief in the creative force that brought about all there is and was.
As for your question the answer is “Yes”. I have the freedom and the right to question anyone and anything including the Bible.

Of course you have the freedom to question anything! The problem is when you deny truth.

I could question whether gravity will really pull me down when I walk off a cliff…but that would be…stupid.

Considering the amount of “pious forgeries” attributed to the CC right back to the CF’s and also the impossibility to be certain that the words attributed to the Christ were actually spoken by him and are not just another “pious forgery” you cannot blame me for having a few doubts on what the Christ was supposed to have taught.

Ok. I just hope you don’t apply this degree of skepticism to everything you profess. For example, if you’ve never been to Manila, you could doubt it exists until proven otherwise, but that would be an unproductive way to live your life.

 

[avflf]

Do you mean you can’t comment on something you didn’t write?
Of course you have the freedom to question anything! The problem is when you deny truth.

You seem very sure that you have the truth but what if truth was on my side and you 're believing a lie?

I could question whether gravity will really pull me down when I walk off a cliff…but that would be…stupid.
Ok. I just hope you don’t apply this degree of skepticism to everything you profess. For example, if you’ve never been to Manila, you could doubt it exists until proven otherwise, but that would be an unproductive way to live your life.

My skepticism is based on the internal evidence of the text. If you believe that the God of the Bible is the supreme deity your expectations of the divine are very primitive.

 

[avflf]

I don’t think you addressed my point. Yes, I agree there is truth to be found in other religions. These are subsets of God’s truth transmitted to other peoples through other means, something also found within Christ’s teachings, wherein lies the fullness of truth.
The point was, though, is it righteous to reject Christ’s doctrines? Part of the fullness of truth? Reject?

The point is that the Christ didn’t say anything new.

You’re saying the OT is a forgery?

I’m saying that it’s a collection of stories some adopted by the Jews from the history of other people and adapted to their way of thinking.

Are you a gnostic or Marcionite? Believing that the OT’s “Yahweh” is really Satan? Or that the OT God is another god, different from the NT?

No, I don’t believe YHWH was Satan, both were man made characters for the Jewish story book, that’s all.

 

[PRmerger]

You seem very sure that you have the truth but what if truth was on my side and you 're believing a lie?

Then my faith is in vain.

If Christ is not risen, then my faith is in vain.

My skepticism is based on the internal evidence of the text. If you believe that the God of the Bible is the supreme deity your expectations of the divine are very primitive.

What is it that you believe about the divine, and where do you get your info, avflf?

 

[PRmerger]

The point is that the Christ didn’t say anything new.

Fair enough. Turn the other cheek, love your neighbors, forgive your enemies…every morally sane person living in the ancient near east probably already knew that. They didn’t need Jesus to tell them that, it’s true.

But that’s not the point of Christianity, avflf.

 

[bosnian_muslim]

Jesus said to John the apostle, “Behold your mother.” then he said to Mary, “Behold your son.”

Theologians have interpreted this as Jesus Giving Mary to Humanity as its mother.

Also Later John took care of Mary until the Assumption. Mary was and remains a Virgin.

I Hope this Helps

HickmanJosh

lol,so Joseph and Mary never had sex? im sure thats wrong

 

[PRmerger]

lol,so Joseph and Mary never had sex? im sure thats wrong

Yep. They never had sex.

Why would that be so incredible to you?