"Jesus was non denominational"

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An evangelical I know was concerned about having thier 4 year old attened another
Neighbors house that is Jewish to attened a Hanakah party

And I said well Jesus was Jewish

They responded no Jesus was non denominational

Then I went into how Hanakah is in the book of Macabees and an historical celebration that Christians can embrace

They continued to look at me like I was from a different planet
Jesus and His Apostles were most certainly completely Jewish. Jesus founded a Church, and that Church is Catholic. Those who are members of His One Body came to be called Christians.

To “denominate” means to take ones name from. Denominations are ecclesial communities that have taken their identities through separating from Catholicism. They are defined by how much and which parts of the Sacred Tradition they repudiate.

You are are right that Hannukah is a celebration Christians can embrace. This is also an opportunity to authenticate the deuterocanon. Jesus and the Apostles participated in this feast, as we read in John 10:22. His attendance at this feast gives the Divine stamp of approval for it, and the Sacred Tradition from which it came. It also authenticates the contents of the books of Macabees as inspired. If this were a tradition of men, Jesus would not have honored it by participating.

Just prior to this account, in John 8 we hear Jesus proclaiming “I am the light of the world”. The miracle of the oil that is commemorated by the feast is a prophetic sign of Him, and the HS, whose oil never runs out. 👍
 
I want to apologize to anyone who read my posts. I recant any statement that implied that Jews do not attempt to worship the One True God. I also revoke any statement that displayed a disrespect for Judaism.

I am very sorry.

God bless
 
Regardless, a Catholic is never permitted to celebrate Hanukkah with Jews. That equates to worshipping idols and heresy.
My dear misinformed, poorly catechized and ignorant sibling in Christ,

Jesus celebrated Hannukkah, as seen in John, ch. 10.

The Jews do not worship idols.

This statement of yours represents a more significant heresy than anyone celebrating Hannukah.
 
I want to apologize to anyone who read my posts. I recant any statement that implied that Jews do not attempt to worship the One True God. I also revoke any statement that displayed a disrespect for Judaism.

I am very sorry.

God bless
Well, that was well done, to have the courage to apologize. 👍
 
Ah yes that would be a poorly written sentence. I want to honestly apologize for my smart-alec remark with the grammatical rant though. That was childish and not Christ-like in the least.
God Bless
Well, defensive certainly, and very funny!
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I want to apologize to anyone who read my posts. I recant any statement that implied that Jews do not attempt to worship the One True God. I also revoke any statement that displayed a disrespect for Judaism.

I am very sorry.

God bless
And may God richly bless you, for your humility and integrity. 👍

You were right, though, modern ethnic Jews often believe nothing like the Jews of Jesus’ time, nor like Orthodox Jews who have tried to retain those beliefs.
 
An evangelical I know was concerned about having thier 4 year old attened another
Neighbors house that is Jewish to attened a Hanakah party

And I said well Jesus was Jewish

They responded no Jesus was non denominational

Then I went into how Hanakah is in the book of Macabees and an historical celebration that Christians can embrace

They continued to look at me like I was from a different planet
Christ Jesus was NOT a follower of HIMSELF
He established “MY CHURCH”, one & one Church only
He is the Bridegroom & the Church is the Bride
“I will be with you always” He announces He will NEVER ABANDON HIS BRIDE no matter what happens
RCC is the fulfillment, the completion of the Jewish Faith.
What is hidden in the Old (Testament/Covenant) is revealed in the New (Testament/Covenant)
And it all started with Abraham, Friend of God
 
An evangelical I know was concerned about having thier 4 year old attened another
Neighbors house that is Jewish to attened a Hanakah party

And I said well Jesus was Jewish

They responded no Jesus was non denominational

Then I went into how Hanakah is in the book of Macabees and an historical celebration that Christians can embrace

They continued to look at me like I was from a different planet
Yes, Jesus was Jewish, and all of his earliest followers were Jewish, also. The question really centers around what that group of early believers called themselves.

Earliest Use of the Name “Catholic Church”

The early Church - the Church founded by Christ as promised in Matthew 16:18 - was that which was originally known as “the Way” (cf. Acts 24:14). Later, those individuals who followed Christ began to be called “Christians” beginning at Antioch (cf. Acts 11:26). As early as 107 A.D., those same individuals referred to themselves collectively as the “Catholic Church”. In a letter to the Church of Smyrna, Ignatius of Antioch wrote, “You must all follow the bishop as Jesus Christ follows the Father, and the presbytery (priest) as you would the Apostles. Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans, A.D. 107, [8,1])

Notice that Ignatius does not introduce the term “Catholic Church”; instead he uses it in a manner suggesting that the name was already in use and familiar to his audience. This further suggests that the name, Catholic Church, had to have been coined much earlier in order to have achieved wide circulation by the time of this writing. In other words, the Christian assembly was calling itself the Catholic Church during the lifetime of the last Apostle, John, who died near the end of the first century. John, the beloved disciple, may have thought of himself as a member of the Catholic Church!

The Catholic Church began with Peter and the Apostles and continued without interruption or cessation through their disciples (Ignatius, Irenaeus, Polycarp, Clement, Justin Martyr, etc.) down to the present day. As a side note, it appears that the believers in Antioch may have coined both terms still in use today: “Christian” and “Catholic Church” – terms they used to describe the one body of believers in Christ.

Bonus: Protestant Scholar on the use of the Proper Name "Catholic"

One Protestant author who is honest about this history is the renowned Church historian, J. N. D. Kelly. Kelly dates the usage of the name “Catholic” after the death of the Apostle John, but he acknowledges that the original Church founded by Jesus called itself the “Catholic Church”.

“As regards ‘Catholic,’ its original meaning was ‘universal’ or ‘general’ … As applied to the Church, its primary significance was to underline its universality as opposed to the local character of the individual congregations. Very quickly, however, in the latter half of the second century at latest, we find it conveying the suggestion that the Catholic is the true Church as distinct from heretical congregations. . . . What these early Fathers were envisaging was almost always the empirical, visible society; they had little or no inkling of the distinction which was later to become important between a visible and an invisible Church” (J. N. D. Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines, 5th ed. [San Francisco: Harper, 1978], 190f).
 
Yes, Jesus was Jewish, and all of his earliest followers were Jewish, also. The question really centers around what that group of early believers called themselves.

Earliest Use of the Name “Catholic Church”

The early Church - the Church founded by Christ as promised in Matthew 16:18 - was that which was originally known as “the Way” (cf. Acts 24:14). Later, those individuals who followed Christ began to be called “Christians” beginning at Antioch (cf. Acts 11:26). As early as 107 A.D., those same individuals referred to themselves collectively as the “Catholic Church”. In a letter to the Church of Smyrna, Ignatius of Antioch wrote, “You must all follow the bishop as Jesus Christ follows the Father, and the presbytery (priest) as you would the Apostles. Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans, A.D. 107, [8,1])

Notice that Ignatius does not introduce the term “Catholic Church”; instead he uses it in a manner suggesting that the name was already in use and familiar to his audience. This further suggests that the name, Catholic Church, had to have been coined much earlier in order to have achieved wide circulation by the time of this writing. In other words, the Christian assembly was calling itself the Catholic Church during the lifetime of the last Apostle, John, who died near the end of the first century. John, the beloved disciple, may have thought of himself as a member of the Catholic Church!

The Catholic Church began with Peter and the Apostles and continued without interruption or cessation through their disciples (Ignatius, Irenaeus, Polycarp, Clement, Justin Martyr, etc.) down to the present day. As a side note, it appears that the believers in Antioch may have coined both terms still in use today: “Christian” and “Catholic Church” – terms they used to describe the one body of believers in Christ.

Bonus: Protestant Scholar on the use of the Proper Name "Catholic"

One Protestant author who is honest about this history is the renowned Church historian, J. N. D. Kelly. Kelly dates the usage of the name “Catholic” after the death of the Apostle John, but he acknowledges that the original Church founded by Jesus called itself the “Catholic Church”.

“As regards ‘Catholic,’ its original meaning was ‘universal’ or ‘general’ … As applied to the Church, its primary significance was to underline its universality as opposed to the local character of the individual congregations. Very quickly, however, in the latter half of the second century at latest, we find it conveying the suggestion that the Catholic is the true Church as distinct from heretical congregations. . . . What these early Fathers were envisaging was almost always the empirical, visible society; they had little or no inkling of the distinction which was later to become important between a visible and an invisible Church” (J. N. D. Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines, 5th ed. [San Francisco: Harper, 1978], 190f).
Randy,

This is a satisfying point of view…that Iganatius references the Church as if it is not a question…there is more. I went back and read the entire letter…found here. There is so much more…

newadvent.org/fathers/0109.htm

Ignatius references the grace of God and mentions Faith/Love never apart…does this sound familiar?

Ignatius mentions adherence to allegiance to teachings of the Bishops and as we believe that there is Apostolic succession and that the teaching of the Bishop is consistent with teaching of the Apostle. Does this sound familiar.

Ignautius mentions the Gospel…heard there and now…
Some ignorantly deny Him, or rather have been denied by Him, being the advocates of death rather than of the truth. These persons neither have the prophets persuaded, nor the law of Moses, nor the Gospel even to this day, nor the sufferings we have individually endured.
For there is no other Gospel as suggested by Calvin, Joseph Smith or any other…

Ignatius mentions the power of prayer for one another.

Ignatius mentions abstaining from the Eucharist
They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again.
Echoing Paul in the letter to the Corinthians…and he mentions other places where the Church is also Catholic…
The love of the **brethren at Troas **salutes you; whence also I write to you by Burrhus, whom you sent with me, together with the Ephesians, your brethren, and who has in all things refreshed me.
A careful reading of Ignatius is helpful to understand that what was true then is true now…

Listen to the Bishop, grace is the strength of God that aids you in Faith and Love to do the Will of God and you can be nourished by the Eucharist and oppose those that deny it is the flesh of Christ, to the Church Catholic in Antioch, Troas, Ephesus, New York, Canada, and the world where the gospel is bearing fruit then and now…and this gospel is the gospel and there is no other…
 
Someone mentioned earlier about the Jewish feast of Hannakah, and whether catholics may celebrate it with their Jewish friends.

Jewish Hannakah is a meal with a lamb shared with the family. It was to commorate their deliverance out of Egypt. The spotless 1 year old lamb’s blood was to be sprinkled on the lintel and doorposts of the Jewish home so that their first born would be spared death. It was to be eaten.

Catholic Hannakah is also a meal with a lamb shared by the christian family. It is to commorate their deliverance from the devil. The spotless lamb’s blood is applied to our soul so that we may be spared of eternal death. It is to be eaten at Mass, as it is the body and blood of Jesus our saviour.

So we have no need of any other Hannakah.

Just a thought.
 
Someone mentioned earlier about the Jewish feast of Hannakah, and whether catholics may celebrate it with their Jewish friends.

Jewish Hannakah is a meal with a lamb shared with the family. It was to commorate their deliverance out of Egypt. The spotless 1 year old lamb’s blood was to be sprinkled on the lintel and doorposts of the Jewish home so that their first born would be spared death. It was to be eaten.

Catholic Hannakah is also a meal with a lamb shared by the christian family. It is to commorate their deliverance from the devil. The spotless lamb’s blood is applied to our soul so that we may be spared of eternal death. It is to be eaten at Mass, as it is the body and blood of Jesus our saviour.

So we have no need of any other Hannakah.

Just a thought.
Fred,

I grew up in a multi-ethnic neighborhood. Jews ran the bakery, Jews fixed my shoes, Jews ran the five and dime store. My fondest memories were the people, I had no idea that they were Jews, were these stores. These people were always smiling, treated me as if I were someone to be respected, were more than polite, generous and honest. I always got a free cookie at the bakery.

In later years friends Joshua and others, dating…many Jewish girls…and colleagues…I found this same experience. I have celebrated Passover and took my children there and if there is any opportunity to share and learn from any Jewish celebration I would encourage it. The passover meal is a great expereince and if you have not done it please do…

I learn from every Jew I encounter…
 
I’m all in favour of the Jewish people. Very wonderful people. I truely respect and honor them.
But I’m not going to celebrate Hannakah with them and I don’t believe they are offended by that.Just as we are not offended by them not celebrating Mass with us.

Just some thoughts.
 
Fred,

I grew up in a multi-ethnic neighborhood. Jews ran the bakery, Jews fixed my shoes, Jews ran the five and dime store. My fondest memories were the people, I had no idea that they were Jews, were these stores. These people were always smiling, treated me as if I were someone to be respected, were more than polite, generous and honest. I always got a free cookie at the bakery.

In later years friends Joshua and others, dating…many Jewish girls…and colleagues…I found this same experience. I have celebrated Passover and took my children there and if there is any opportunity to share and learn from any Jewish celebration I would encourage it. The passover meal is a great expereince and if you have not done it please do…

I learn from every Jew I encounter…
I know what you mean. I had a similar experience with a Jewish family living next door to us when I was growing up. Our family really liked them and I know they liked us. They invited me as a boy to go places with them, although never to a religious celebration. They were true friends.

And by the same token we had protestants on the other side of us who we got along with famously. In fact they saints putting up with us four young boys in many ways. I always considered them dear friends.

But in both of these situations, noone every invited the other to their religious ceremony.
And nobody thought anything of it.

Just a few thoughts.
 
Jewish Hannakah is a meal with a lamb shared with the family. It was to commorate their deliverance out of Egypt. The spotless 1 year old lamb’s blood was to be sprinkled on the lintel and doorposts of the Jewish home so that their first born would be spared death. It was to be eaten.
Fred, you’re thinking of Passover.
 
Yes, you’re right. Close but no cigar. Oh well, just one of them days.
 
Someone mentioned earlier about the Jewish feast of Hannakah, and whether catholics may celebrate it with their Jewish friends.

Jewish Hannakah is a meal with a lamb shared with the family. It was to commorate their deliverance out of Egypt. The spotless 1 year old lamb’s blood was to be sprinkled on the lintel and doorposts of the Jewish home so that their first born would be spared death. It was to be eaten.

Catholic Hannakah is also a meal with a lamb shared by the christian family. It is to commorate their deliverance from the devil. The spotless lamb’s blood is applied to our soul so that we may be spared of eternal death. It is to be eaten at Mass, as it is the body and blood of Jesus our saviour.

So we have no need of any other Hannakah.

Just a thought.
I think you are confusing Hannahak with Passover. It is a different feast all together. And since Jesus celebrated it, there is no reason we should not. I suggest a read of the books of Maccabees. 😉
 
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