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staffsgt7
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Disagreeing and denigrating are two different things. Denigrating without proving anything is just showing me you don’t have too much else to offer me.
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staffsgt7
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Yeah, I agree. But it has been around for quite some time and grows in power. It started up 4 years after the downfall of the Ottoman Empire, its founder and another prominent leader of the MB al Husseini, were very influential in Hitler’s ‘Final Solution’. It pretty much uses Qutb’s writings ‘Milestones’ as its guide.
It is what ties so many of the violent organizations, the Wahabbis and organizations at home and abroad together. At first the Wahabbis were not apart of the MB, but later came together with the MB.
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staffsgt7
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You are the 2nd person to say that I am RNOT. I don’t know who that person is but if I am saying what that person is saying then so be it. I belong to the SIOA and Act for America maybe that person belongs to one of those things too. I have no idea with an id like RNOT.
If your day is not about proving me wrong then so be it. I don’t really care. I can expect denigration as a form of argument from you then.
If your day is not about proving me wrong then so be it. I don’t really care. I can expect denigration as a form of argument from you then.
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GraceDK
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Hamba…
Where do you come from?
You ask about the fruits…
The fruits of the law is death… You want to know the truth about the Old Testament. The OT is a mirror of man’s sinfullness, the consequence of original sin… The slow spiritual death of Israel untill they are totally broken, then the Saviour comes.
This is cosmic history and the history of every individual too. Only when you surrender to God, that is: You admit that both your own sins and the abominable sins of your own prophet, carry the death penalty - then you seek the forgiveness through the Messiah who alone bore the ATONEMENT for your sins. Until you receive Him and apply His justice to your life, a FREE gift of Grace, no atonement of blood has been made for your sins and that leaves you outside the covenant and outside of salvation. This is the fact of Salvation History.
The fuits of the Old Law was death. Even the apostle Peter said no one could fulfill the old law. You see, its all about being truthful about the state of the heart of man, starting with your self, and then looking honestly at your prophet.
I have never ever to this day met a Muslim who carried out the law according to Muhammad to the letter. They always fell short somehow saying… ugh I hope I go to heaven, but I did have a sip of alchohol yesterday… ugh, I did not pray my salaat. And even if they did, it could not save them. Because the time of the old law is over, Hralas. Come into the law of freedom. “Whom the Son sets free is free indeed” says the Living Word.
I am angry at your prophet because he has enslaved those whom God wanted to set free, that is you and your brothers. God is Father. The fruits of Muhammad have been death. I think you know this… just look at his life. His life is like that of Sauls… someone full of anxiety and false authority and abominable actions. Dont you ever wonder why the dreadful humiliating practice of polygamy is forbidden in both Judaism and Christianity today but practiced by the man you saw as your end example? I tell you, Christ is the Supreme Example.
When I say the OT laws were imperfect I say so because the Covenant was broken again and again, and more and more laws were added, laws that were so strict and hard that in the end they served to humble man. The people again and again brought curse on themselves by saying: we will keep all these laws or we be cursed with these things… "
Read the OT in its fullness. It all points forward to a Saviour who carries the iniquity upon Himself like a blameless lamb ( a concept you dont understand because you dont understand the OT temple cult) …
You have made void the Word and Promise of God by believing you can save yourself.
Muhammad has no good fruits. He was thoroughly bad… not somebody you’d wanna meet ever, if you are honest.
There are many things to say, but suffice it to say that you have come to seek answers and I commend that. Not many Muslims dare to ask honest questions about their own belief system. But the most crucial thing is that you ask God: “WHO is Jesus. Is he more than a prophet… what does it mean that he is the Spirit…?”.
He is for us the Only Good, the Everything. In light of Him we read the OT and praise God that we live under the Messianic Covenant and not the OT or other laws of sin.
Salaam and Peace to you
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Sam_777
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That sounds logic considering the miracle birth of Jesus, His non-marriage, and the His resurrection, else there was no need for all those things and John the Baptist was enough…
The problem not only with the salvation plan BUT with most of the teachings…:dts:
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Sam_777
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How do you base your judgement on the OT people, did you live with them…
Come live here in Arabian Peninsula (particularly in Saudi Arabia) and you would see the real fruit of Muhammed…http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif
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Sam_777
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I strongly agree with that one…
one for one till death is really a great beautiful concept, but four for one (even 11 for himself) is really a bad law…
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ralphinal
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If we can put aside all of the rhetoric, both serious and not so serious, there is an American side to this that might need to be discussed.
There are Muslims in this country (citizens and otherwise) who do publically advocate the replacement of the American code of law and the US Constitution with a Muslim form of Sharia. Now, if this is true, why is it not treason?
There are Muslims in this country (citizens and otherwise) who do publically advocate the replacement of the American code of law and the US Constitution with a Muslim form of Sharia. Now, if this is true, why is it not treason?
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hamba2han
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It is not treason because Muslims in America love America a whole lot more than so-called “patriotic Americans” who see nothing wrong in what people like the Bilderberg Group are doing to bring the New World Order to America.
To me, anyone who sees the establishment of the New World Order and all that it would entail as being more acceptable than Sharia law has truly lost all sense of moral values as taught in their very own Bible.
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ralphinal
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False analogy. This New World Order that you keep talking about is also opposed to the United States Constitution and Code of Law.
If person A advocates the destruction of the US Government, and Person A is a citizen of the United States, person A is guilty of Treason.
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Jay53
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I agree with Ralph that this is a false analogy.
I’d also like to ask, for those Muslims in America who want to abolish the constitution and establish Sharia Law, what exactly is it that they “love” about America?
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hamba2han
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Oh man… what would it take to make Americans realize that their Constitution is being destroyed right at this moment, not by Muslims but by people who are advocating global governance and a worldwide carbon tax among other measures to pay for this government?
Just read up on what is now happening at the Copenhagen summit and you will surely realize that Sharia law is the least of the destructive threat that the America as enshrined in the Constitution is facing right now.
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ralphinal
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A lot of us DO see it. We do. And we respond according to our laws.
Under your Sharia law, can I openly tell others about the Truth of Jesus Christ, the importance of his Church, and how Islam does not teach the Truth about God as told to us by Jesus? Under your Sharia law, can my Catholic brethren build new Churches and repair old ones? Can we save others by teaching them how Islam is wrong and the Catholic CHurch is right?
Can I eat my pork? Can I drink my alcohol?
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Jay53
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So how is Sharia Law BETTER than the Constitution? Just because there are some who are trying to undermine the Constitution with this “New World Order” doesn’t mean that we have to accept someone else who wants to undermine it with Sharia Law!!!
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hamba2han
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“Patriotic” Americans need to decide which do they consider to be the greater threat to America… Sharia law or the New World Order?
My suggestion to them would be to read their very own Bible in order for them, God-willing, to arrive at a divinely inspired decision.
My suggestion to them would be to read their very own Bible in order for them, God-willing, to arrive at a divinely inspired decision.
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Jay53
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You’re not answering any of our questions!!! Why do we have to choose between those two options? Why aren’t the “patriotic” Muslims who “love” America willing to fight for the Constitution instead of abolishing it and establishing Sharia Law?
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hamba2han
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If you wake up one night and find that your house is on fire, should you be thinking at that precise moment in time, on how to get rid of the cockroaches in the house?
I know that I am being scurrilous in equating Muslims with cockroaches… but just to illustrate the point, if your primary concern is to get rid of the Muslim cockroaches in America, then perhaps the best thing to do would be to allow the New World Order to succeed in burning the house of America down and thereby eliminate the cockroach problem once and for all.
I know that I am being scurrilous in equating Muslims with cockroaches… but just to illustrate the point, if your primary concern is to get rid of the Muslim cockroaches in America, then perhaps the best thing to do would be to allow the New World Order to succeed in burning the house of America down and thereby eliminate the cockroach problem once and for all.
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ralphinal
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Hamba,
Please answer
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hamba2han
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From Wikipedia:
… for muslims the only two sources of religious law and practice are the Qur’an and the Sunnah (documentation of the deeds and actions) of Prophet Muhammed. Both sources make it clear that the religions of others and their religious institutes should be respected, and as a result in the early history of Islam the institutes of other religions were kept intact and in fact tax monies would be used to help repair, for example, broken churches. An example of this would be how Salahuddin cleaned up a church after the conquest of Jerusalem, and similarly a church which had burnt down was repaired in Jerusalem.
And while I have to say that I am not certain of this, but I suppose if non-Muslims wish to eat pork and drink alcohol, they would be allowed to do so under Sharia law.
… for muslims the only two sources of religious law and practice are the Qur’an and the Sunnah (documentation of the deeds and actions) of Prophet Muhammed. Both sources make it clear that the religions of others and their religious institutes should be respected, and as a result in the early history of Islam the institutes of other religions were kept intact and in fact tax monies would be used to help repair, for example, broken churches. An example of this would be how Salahuddin cleaned up a church after the conquest of Jerusalem, and similarly a church which had burnt down was repaired in Jerusalem.
And while I have to say that I am not certain of this, but I suppose if non-Muslims wish to eat pork and drink alcohol, they would be allowed to do so under Sharia law.
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wwolverine
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Dear Grace,
Seems Hamba is ignoring your fabulous reply, as maybe he has no answer and he knows what you have written is true. hence He jumped ahead and replied to others,
We all know how Jesus was tempted by satan thrice, and all three times he failed. So he thought of the only way of winning over and that is finding a person who will turn the people his way and he has been successful in a religion called Islam, and thats why they dont believe in the crucifixation. Their teachings have gone back in the times of OT, and from there to some other direction.
I feel sorry for the muslim community and all we can do is pray for them.
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