Jesus4Sharia

[Jay53]

From Wikipedia:

… for muslims the only two sources of religious law and practice are the Qur’an and the Sunnah (documentation of the deeds and actions) of Prophet Muhammed. Both sources make it clear that the religions of others and their religious institutes should be respected, and as a result in the early history of Islam the institutes of other religions were kept intact and in fact tax monies would be used to help repair, for example, broken churches. An example of this would be how Salahuddin cleaned up a church after the conquest of Jerusalem, and similarly a church which had burnt down was repaired in Jerusalem.

And while I have to say that I am not certain of this, but I suppose if non-Muslims wish to eat pork and drink alcohol, they would be allowed to do so under Sharia law.

How about answering Ralph’s question:

Under your Sharia law, can I openly tell others about the Truth of Jesus Christ, the importance of his Church, and how Islam does not teach the Truth about God as told to us by Jesus? Under your Sharia law, can my Catholic brethren build new Churches and repair old ones? Can we save others by teaching them how Islam is wrong and the Catholic CHurch is right?

You have also quoted that churches can be repaired, but can new churches be built? If so, why isn’t that allowed in Saudi Arabia? If not, why in the world would we want laws like that imposed on us?

I’d also like an answer to this question:

Why aren’t the “patriotic” Muslims who “love” America willing to fight for the Constitution instead of abolishing it and establishing Sharia Law?

and these:

Perhaps you can give us an example of a Muslim country that has implemented a Sharia-based economy that illustrates how the country is thriving and there are no poor people oppressed by the government running this economy.

Perhaps you can also give us some of the specific laws (and how they would be implemented) that you would see enacted in this Sharia based economy that would benefit the people.

Is it possible to have a Sharia based economy without implementing the rest of Sharia, including, but not limited to: a) killing apostates to Islam b) killing adulterers c) cutting off the limbs of criminals d) punishing people who speak against Muhammad and/or Islam e) punishing people for drinking alcohol f) punishing women for going out in public “uncovered” (i.e. without hijab, niquab, burqa etc) g) punishing women for going out without a male relative etc etc. etc.

 

[GraceDK]

Dear Grace,

I feel sorry for the muslim community and all we can do is pray for them.

Dear wwolverine.
That’s not all we can do. Its interesting that all over the world Christian organizations help Muslims and people of other faiths without discrimination, they come with aid and pay big contributions to help people that suffer under islamic rulers or other sick systems. We see no similar charity from Muslims to the outer world. The Oil sheicks could help all palestinians within a few months to get a desent life… but the organizations founded on Christian ethics, like UN, caritas, red cross etc. must come to their aid.
Furthermore we can love our Muslim neighbour by urging him to read the Bible and really compare the Quran and the Bible. The people who do this meditatingly and honestly, they see that the Bible is both nobler and more reasonable.

Islam thinks God has let His Sacred Messages be corrupted and that He could not protect the Holy Bible. This already is a false and undermining assumption against the Lord who is sustainer of all life.

If we ask them when the corruption occured and who carried it out, and we ask for proofs - in the way of fragments or old manuscripts that belong to that imagined original text- then they are unable to give any historical or rational proof whatsover.

The Church is weak in our time, but we must continue to preach the truth about the dignity of man, revealed in Christ alone. The Muslim world needs this message so much.

Peace be with you

 

[staffsgt7]

From Wikipedia:

… for muslims the only two sources of religious law and practice are the Qur’an and the Sunnah (documentation of the deeds and actions) of Prophet Muhammed. Both sources make it clear that the religions of others and their religious institutes should be respected, and as a result in the early history of Islam the institutes of other religions were kept intact and in fact tax monies would be used to help repair, for example, broken churches. An example of this would be how Salahuddin cleaned up a church after the conquest of Jerusalem, and similarly a church which had burnt down was repaired in Jerusalem.

And while I have to say that I am not certain of this, but I suppose if non-Muslims wish to eat pork and drink alcohol, they would be allowed to do so under Sharia law.

Please site some examples in modern times (this century or the 20th Century) where Muslims have repaired any Church and Temple they destroyed (Egyptian Coptic Churches is a good example to tell me how many they have repaired after they have destroyed so many). Tell me some examples of the lands that they have stolen from Christians in Iraq, Pakistan or Afghanistan (to give a few examples of countries where they are stealing lands) that they have given any of it back.

o11.5 of Sharia laws - non-Muslims are to comply with Muslim rules regarding dressing differently so as to be able to be identified (sort of like how Hitler made the Jews stand out in Nazi Germany), must walk to the side of the street are forbidden to openly display crosses, wine or pork to recite their prayers or words from their book openly or even make a public display of their funerals and feastdays.

If anyone is curious as to the arrogance of Islam would be if they were in control, they should get a book of Sharia laws. The Reliance of the Traveller (traveller is misspelled on the book)

 

[GraceDK]

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o11.5 of Sharia laws - non-Muslims are to comply with Muslim rules regarding dressing differently so as to be able to be identified (sort of like how Hitler made the Jews stand out in Nazi Germany), must walk to the side of the street are forbidden to openly display crosses, wine or pork to recite their prayers or words from their book openly or even make a public display of their funerals and feastdays.

If anyone is curious as to the arrogance of Islam would be if they were in control, they should get a book of Sharia laws. The Reliance of the Traveller (traveller is misspelled on the book)

Thanks for this information sir. I do have the Quran but no sharia-law book as of yet. Is this edition universally approved among Muslims?

Peace to you, and I recommed to you *Mere Christianity *by C.S Lewis

 

[ralphinal]

From Wikipedia:

… for muslims the only two sources of religious law and practice are the Qur’an and the Sunnah (documentation of the deeds and actions) of Prophet Muhammed. Both sources make it clear that the religions of others and their religious institutes should be respected, and as a result in the early history of Islam the institutes of other religions were kept intact and in fact tax monies would be used to help repair, for example, broken churches. An example of this would be how Salahuddin cleaned up a church after the conquest of Jerusalem, and similarly a church which had burnt down was repaired in Jerusalem.

And while I have to say that I am not certain of this, but I suppose if non-Muslims wish to eat pork and drink alcohol, they would be allowed to do so under Sharia law.

Thank you.

If a non-Muslim wanted alcohol, in a Sharia state, could it be sold to them?

Also, are there any Muslim nations following Sharia law now?

 

[staffsgt7]

Dear wwolverine.
That’s not all we can do. Its interesting that all over the world Christian organizations help Muslims and people of other faiths without discrimination, they come with aid and pay big contributions to help people that suffer under islamic rulers or other sick systems. We see no similar charity from Muslims to the outer world. The Oil sheicks could help all palestinians within a few months to get a desent life… but the organizations founded on Christian ethics, like UN, caritas, red cross etc. must come to their aid.
Furthermore we can love our Muslim neighbour by urging him to read the Bible and really compare the Quran and the Bible. The people who do this meditatingly and honestly, they see that the Bible is both nobler and more reasonable.

Islam thinks God has let His Sacred Messages be corrupted and that He could not protect the Holy Bible. This already is a false and undermining assumption against the Lord who is sustainer of all life.

If we ask them when the corruption occured and who carried it out, and we ask for proofs - in the way of fragments or old manuscripts that belong to that imagined original text- then they are unable to give any historical or rational proof whatsover.

The Church is weak in our time, but we must continue to preach the truth about the dignity of man, revealed in Christ alone. The Muslim world needs this message so much.

Peace be with you

the oil sheiks do help the Palestinians. When their children get blown up, or die, killing the Jews the families get a big check. Arafat and Saddam Hussein used to give them checks too. We found charities doing the same here in the USA and they have since been shut down, but they pop up all over the place. Zakat is given to these families too - some of it. For example, zakat collected here is shipped to Saudi Arabia and they distribute it to Jihadists, families of dead Jihadists and to other organizations that promote Islam. Giving to the poor is a very, minor part of zakat. Now, this is not to say that some Muslims here might not know the truth because they might not.

As for charity for the poor Muslim, they look at it as ‘it is Allah’s will’. The natural disasters that befall Muslims is Allah’s will. If a country is under the rule of a tyrant, or being terrorized by the likes of the Taliban then it is Allah’s will. This explains why no Muslim country with a military helped Iraqis, or Afghanis. When the tsunami hit several Muslim countries it was only after the world looked at the likes of Saudi Arabia with heavy scrutiny they finally coughed up some money. Their billions go to building mosques in our country and exporting their hate literature, funding the Jihadists in Pakistan and the Gaza.

I am serious when I say get a book of sharia laws, it tells you a lot of what they don’t care about and their obsessiveness.

zakat is discussed in h8: 1-26 of Sharia laws.

 

[staffsgt7]

Thanks for this information sir. I do have the Quran but no sharia-law book as of yet. Is this edition universally approved among Muslims?

Peace to you, and I recommed to you *Mere Christianity *by C.S Lewis

There are a few books that are recognized, The Reliance of the Traveller is the book I have. There is at least one other book with a different title that I cannot remember what it is.

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I just read wikipedia about the book you recommended and even in Islam the things that are morally wrong for most people is allowed against non-Muslims. It explains why Hitler and al-Husseini had so much in common! (hatred for Jews)

 

[Booklover]

For anyone who is objecting to the imposition of jizya on non-Muslims, then I would say that in today’s world, everyone (non-Muslims and Muslims alike) is, either directly or indirectly, paying much more due to usury than non-Muslims would be required to pay the jizya tax under Sharia… and so, I do not see what the hullabaloo is.

Besides, Muslims are required to pay zakat which often can be a great deal more than jizya.

As for the supposed mistreatment of women under Sharia, the fact that most people in the West who are reverting to Islam are women, is in itself clear testimony that this is completely untrue.

BTW, there are unfortunately many Muslims too who do not wish to see Sharia law established… and they are the misguided souls who somehow fear having to change their Westernized lifestyles.

We don’t want Sharia law either with its inhuman and cruel laws! As for how Islam treats women, see . One picture is worth a thousand words

Vickie

 

[GraceDK]

There are a few books that are recognized, The Reliance of the Traveller is the book I have. There is at least one other book with a different title that I cannot remember what it is.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Q2GKWQ7BL.SL500_AA240.jpg

I just read wikipedia about the book you recommended and even in Islam the things that are morally wrong for most people is allowed against non-Muslims. It explains why Hitler and al-Husseini had so much in common! (hatred for Jews)

well as you can guess I was talking about real help in the form of food, water, education for the Palestinian, not to mention for the other poor and needy in the world, muslims and non-muslims alike. Palestinians dont need bombs to strap around their children. They need a new world view that gives life instead of death. That means a healthy view of God and themselves as His children. Neither atheism nor islam can provide for the human soul. We see in the West today that the societies believe we are only material and no spirit. So they make a society based on material goods and immediate satisfaction for physical needs, however, no satisfaction for spiritual needs. Thats why we have so many young people cutting in themselves, drinking alcohol to dull their pain, lonely people, and young people that kill themselves out of existential boredom, anxiety and sense of meaninglessness. People that think they are animals treat each other like brutes. We don’t see the tragic statistics about suicide in very religious cultures…
Sorry I am off topic…

as for CS. Lewis book, it did not have direct link to this debate either. It was more for your own sensitivity, see it does not make much sense to speak about morality and ethics if you believe in relativism, which most of the atheistic world does in theory, albeit not practically. The book of CS Lewis would challenge your perception of the moral reality as you experience it as a non-believer. Therefore I recommend it to you.

Peace be with you and happy Advent. Its good to have you with us on these boards.
Grace

 

[staffsgt7]

well as you can guess I was talking about real help in the form of food, water, education for the Palestinian, not to mention for the other poor and needy in the world, muslims and non-muslims alike. Palestinians dont need bombs to strap around their children. They need a new world view that gives life instead of death. That means a healthy view of God and themselves as His children. Neither atheism nor islam can provide for the human soul. We see in the West today that the societies believe we are only material and no spirit. So they make a society based on material goods and immediate satisfaction for physical needs, however, no satisfaction for spiritual needs. Thats why we have so many young people cutting in themselves, drinking alcohol to dull their pain, lonely people, and young people that kill themselves out of existential boredom, anxiety and sense of meaninglessness. People that think they are animals treat each other like brutes. We don’t see the tragic statistics about suicide in very religious cultures…
Sorry I am off topic…

as for CS. Lewis book, it did not have direct link to this debate either. It was more for your own sensitivity, see it does not make much sense to speak about morality and ethics if you believe in relativism, which most of the atheistic world does in theory, albeit not practically. The book of CS Lewis would challenge your perception of the moral reality as you experience it as a non-believer. Therefore I recommend it to you.

Peace be with you and happy Advent. Its good to have you with us on these boards.
Grace

The Israelis are the ones who give them that help that you talk about, and also the USA. It is NOT from the Arab world. In fact when some tried to flee during the strife, Egypt made sure they did NOT enter their country. There is a wall between Egypt and Gaza that no one complains about. We sure hear about the wall between israel and the Gaza though. That wall has saved lives from their shahid. Jordan didn’t help them and neither did any other Muslim country. so much for all that zakat that we hear about, or any sort of Charity.

If you read more about what they go through you would find out that the Hamas hid in hospitals and schools, even used ambulances. They hid behind children. And if anyone, or anything got destroyed the uproar that the israelis caused the mess was heard around the world as our media gives them the tool for their propaganda machine. I wonder if MPAC (a Muslim Brotherhood front group) helps influence our news agencies in that regard.

If you are in that area the hospital to go to would be to try to get to an Israeli hospital and NOT a Muslim hospital.

Read Brigitte’s book, Because They Hate. It talks more about the years that Hezbollah and the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians did to their lands and how the Israeli hospitals helped the people, NOT the Muslim hospitals.

The thing is that they EXPECT dhimmi to help them. They EXPECT that the Israelis and the USA should help them. **Why is it that we dump all this money into the Gaza and they haven’t yet figured out how to make a government for themselves while we are drawn into their continual wailing and whining that it is the Israelis, and USAs fault for this or that and then they turn around and bomb Israel on a daily basis? **

Do I really need to show you the pictures of the Arab’s who call themselves Palestinians do to their children? The training of them as prekindergarten school age as Jihadists? Listen to Walid Shoebat, he has told the world what they do. They celebrate their kid’s deaths (if they die while killing Jews) as if it were a wedding ceremony.

 

[staffsgt7]

Here in the states CAIR is going after the evangelist, Franklin Graham.

This is about Sharia laws and how it collides with our laws. Sharia laws say we cannot inhibit Islam. We mustn’t even talk or discuss anything about Islam. They work to shut us up. This is a thing called fitna. If we stop, or inhibit, Islam then that is a bad thing.

So what we see are continual SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) lawsuits against people all the time.

All Graham said was this:

“The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said it has received a number of complaints from concerned Muslims who watched an interview last night on CNN during which Graham stated in part: “…we have many Muslims that live in this country. “But true Islam cannot be practiced in this country.” You can’t beat your wife. You cannot murder your children if you think they’ve committed adultery or something like that, which they do practice in these other countries…I don’t agree with the teachings of Islam and I find it to be a very violent religion.”

And they are offended.

Ironic, we write this all the time here. We think it is even barbaric that that do it in their own countries but they usually ignore this or tell us how wrong we are even though the proof mounts up.

Mr. Graham is correct:

Reliance of the Traveller
A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law

APOSTASY FROM ISLAM

O8.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.

The beauty of this is that every day there are more and more of us and CAIR will not be able to keep up with us. Sorry CAIR, within the law your organization and Islam will lose!

 

[staffsgt7]

She? I suggest everyone buy the book on sharia laws that way you won’t be duped anymore. No, to your answer. It is under the penalty of death that they do it. Any outward sign of being a non-Muslim must be in the prescribed attire that they wear they cannot even wear a cross. They cannot carry a Bible.

I have the book on sharia laws and it is much easier to read and reference than their Koran and their sunnha. If I have to reference the Koran it is fine, I just prefer not.

 

[Kaninchen]

I wonder what he’d think if he knew his hero’s (Alex Jones) wife was from a Jewish background?

 

[hamba2han]

I wish to inform that I am withdrawing from this thread.

The main reason I was interested in it is because I believe Sharia law would be an effective remedy for the New World Order.

Since I do not think that I can add any more meaningful thoughts on the subject, it is time for me to take my leave.

 

[Jay53]

I wish to inform that I am withdrawing from this thread.

The main reason I was interested in it is because I believe Sharia law would be an effective remedy for the New World Order.

Since I do not think that I can add any more meaningful thoughts on the subject, it is time for me to take my leave.

Why didn’t you answer any of our questions?

I would like to know why and how you think Sharia Law is better than our current Constitution?

 

[hamba2han]

Why didn’t you answer any of our questions?

I would like to know why and how you think Sharia Law is better than our current Constitution?

I did indeed answer the question indirectly.

The US Constitution, although highly praiseworthy, is just not an effective enough barrier to stop the New World Order from destroying it and taking over America.

In comparison, I do not believe that it is even remotely possible for the New World Order to destroy Sharia law.

Unless you can show me what I have just said is wrong, then I do not think that it is worthwhile for me to continue being on this thread.

 

[dzheremi]

Com’on, Hamba! This is a cowardly cop-out, even for you! You’ve made lots claims about how Sharia will be better for the world than any other current system, but you’ve yet to show us HOW! You’ve mentioned the prohibition of usury, which is certainly noble, but does not excuse all the non-economic features of Sharia that are extremely distasteful to us as non-Muslims.

I’m with Jharek - either put up, or shut up. Though it seems like you’ve chosen the “feign indignity and claim victory”, the twin attack of pathetic propagandizers the world over. GROW UP and don’t start an argument you can’t finish!

 

[Jay53]

I did indeed answer the question indirectly.

The US Constitution, although highly praiseworthy, is just not effective enough to stop the New World Order from destroying it and taking over America.

In comparison, I do not believe that it is even remotely possible for the New World Order to destroy Sharia law.

Unless you can show me what I have just said is wrong, then I do not think that it is worthwhile for me to continue being on this thread.

So you are of the opinion that this New World Order is a foregone conclusion and is destined to “take over America”? Interesting.

What about answers to the rest of our questions:

You have also quoted that churches can be repaired, but can new churches be built? If so, why isn’t that allowed in Saudi Arabia? If not, why in the world would we want laws like that imposed on us?

Perhaps you can give us an example of a Muslim country that has implemented a Sharia-based economy that illustrates how the country is thriving and there are no poor people oppressed by the government running this economy.

Perhaps you can also give us some of the specific laws (and how they would be implemented) that you would see enacted in this Sharia based economy that would benefit the people.

Is it possible to have a Sharia based economy without implementing the rest of Sharia, including, but not limited to: a) killing apostates to Islam b) killing adulterers c) cutting off the limbs of criminals d) punishing people who speak against Muhammad and/or Islam e) punishing people for drinking alcohol f) punishing women for going out in public “uncovered” (i.e. without hijab, niquab, burqa etc) g) punishing women for going out without a male relative etc etc. etc.

 

[staffsgt7]

This is what Sharia brings to a country.

Beware it is not a nice set of pictures. The man who was stoned was pixled out so you cannot see that, but if you want to know what the book of Sharia laws say about what these guys did here it is… they are following what Sharia laws say to do.

The executions were the first time that Hizbul Islam guerillas had dealt out the type of punishments usually associated with the more hardline al Shabaab rebel group in Somalia .
The U.S. claims that al Shabaab is al Qaeda’s proxy in the failed Horn of Africa state. That rival Islamic groups are beginning to align their practices with al Shabaab is a chilling twist in the already frightening militancy that is gripping the country.
President Sheikh Sharif Ahmed’s Western-backed government controls just a few strategic sites in Mogadishu .
Western security experts say the country has become a safe haven for militants, including foreign jihadists, who are using it to plot attacks across the impoverished region and beyond.
There are some fears that Somalia could become the new pre-9/11 Afghanistan .
Al Shabaab, and to a lesser extent Hizbul Islam, are fighting the government to impose their harsh interpretation of Islamic Sharia law across the drought-ravaged country. [NOTE: This is NOT a harsh “interpretation”. It is a strict application of Sharia law.]
Al Shabaab clerics have banned movies, dancing at weddings and playing or watching soccer in the areas under their control, as well as carrying out executions and amputations.
Fighting has killed 19,000 Somali civilians since the start of 2007 and driven another 1.5 million from their homes, triggering one of the world’s most acute humanitarian disasters.
The chaos has also spilled offshore, where Somali pirate gangs have made tens of millions of dollars in ransoms targeting commercial shipping in the Indian Ocean and busy Gulf of Aden .

No outrage from any Muslims.

We should be asking these questions to Muslims. I got this article in my inbox today.

 

[GraceDK]

I wish to inform that I am withdrawing from this thread.

The main reason I was interested in it is because I believe Sharia law would be an effective remedy for the New World Order.

Since I do not think that I can add any more meaningful thoughts on the subject, it is time for me to take my leave.

Dear Hamba.
I am sorry you feel you have nothing more to add. I did not feel you answered any of my questions that I mentioned in my posts, especially as I brought up thing regardings the foundation of your islamic revelation, which teaches that the judeo-christian revelation is corrupted.
Why did you not answer these questions?
Hm, maybe I am off topic. I can start another thread
A blessed Advent to you and peace on you and your house.