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maryj
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Faith.
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DonLeon
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The Torah alludes to this and begins the revelation and it is revealed in the new testament
by Jesus, the full revelation and explanation of which will be given us when we meet our creator face to face.
Genesis 1:26 “Let US make man in OUR image…”, God was NOT talking to His angels for since when did the angels take part in creation? There are also other examples in the old testament.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
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heiscominginthe
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Christ is the Church, the Word of God.
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heiscominginthe
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God was speaking to God, the Father was speaking to the Son.
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DonLeon
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We do not know. We assume the Father was speaking to the Son and Holy Spirit, or the Son was speaking to the Holy Spirit, etc.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
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PJM
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We should understand that God is and has to be all and everything GOOD, and everything GOOD perfectly!
So God is and has to be Fair and Just. If He were not, then God could not be God:thumbsup:
If we take the above first highlighted statement, which is true by itself, one can and should conclude that is in but a partial truth.
God who is the giver of all good-things, will also judge us on what we had the opportunity to know, but rejected for any number of reasons.
In the realm of Divinity, God is the dispenser of Grace, Knowledge and Wisdom. If we are given an opportunity to learn something, PLEASE GET THIS, it is precisely because it is something Almighty God desires we come to know.
There are NO accidents, and there is no such thing as mere coincedience!
To refuse this knowlege, is to refuse God Himself. Not good for our salvation
Love and prayers,
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God’s personal name in the Old Testament was YHWH (“I am who am”). When Jesus Christ said “Before Abraham was, I am.” He proclaimed His Divinity. When the Jews sought Him in the Garden of Gethsemane and He said, “I am,” He proclaimed His Divinity.
The Jewish leaders thought He meant He was God, that is why they tried to stone Him, and ultimately crucified Him. If they misunderstood Him, He did nothing to correct their misunderstanding (like He did when they misunderstood His discourse on the Blessed Sacrament). Even if you believed Christ did not directly claim to be God, by not correcting their “misunderstanding” that He was claiming to be God, He indirectly claimed to be God.
The Council of Nicea merely recognized this point. It was not controversial. Only after the Council of Nicea did all hell break loose. The bishops at the council were unanimous in proclaiming that Jesus Christ is God.
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I agree with you. But persons who are truly searching for truth sometimes take a long time to find it, through no fault of their own. They “test” carefully what they read and hear to see if it is of God or not, and this is usually a gradual process. Those who know that the Catholic Church is the true Church but refuse to join her will not be saved. What they may not realize is that it is actually Jesus that they are rejecting when they reject the Catholic Church which He built upon Peter as chief steward (Matthew 16:16-19) and the Apostles and the Prophets. (Ephesians 2:19-21)We should understand that God is and has to be all and everything GOOD, and everything GOOD perfectly!
So God is and has to be Fair and Just. If He were not, then God could not be God:thumbsup:
God who is the giver of all good-things, will also judge us on what we had the opportunity to know, but rejected for any number of reasons.
In the realm of Divinity, God is the dispenser of Grace, Knowledge and Wisdom. If we are given an opportunity to learn something, PLEASE GET THIS, it is precisely because it is something Almighty God desires we come to know.
There are NO accidents, and there is no such thing as mere coincedience!
To refuse this knowlege, is to refuse God Himself. Not good for our salvation
Love and prayers,
Luke 10:16 "He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.”
1 Timothy 3:15 “but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.”
2 Thessalonians 2:15 “Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.”
Pax,
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PJM
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Balony!
Response to “Jesus never claimed He was God”
There are numerous biblical references to refute this statement, here are but a few:
John 15: 1: "I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.” If “the father is God, He is, and Jesus is His Son, He is, then Jesus here proclaims Himself as God.
John 14: 23: 23 “Jesus answered him, "If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him”
Mt. 18: 10 "See that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven.”
Luke 22: 28 "You are those who have continued with me in my trials; 29 and I assign to you, as my Father assigned to me, a kingdom, 30 that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
Luke 1: 26 “In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And he came to her and said, “Hail, full of grace, * the Lord is with you!” 29 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be. 30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there will be no end.” 34 And Mary said to the angel, “How shall this be, since I have no husband?” **35 And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High **will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born * will be called holy, the Son of God.”
1 Jn. 5: 10 “He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne to his Son. 11 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who has not the Son of God has not life.”
Mt. 27: “43 He trusts in God; let God deliver him now, if he desires him; for he said, ‘I am the Son of God.’" 44 And the robbers who were crucified with him also reviled him in the same way.”
Jn.17: 4 “Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world has not known thee, but I have known thee; and these know that thou hast sent me. 26 I made known to them thy name, and I will make it known, that the love with which thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them."
Jn.14: 6 “Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.”
Mt. 3: 13 “ Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. 14 John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” 15 But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now; for thus it is fitting for us to fulfil all righteousness.” Then he consented. 16 And when Jesus was baptized, he went up immediately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened * and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and alighting on him; 17 and lo, a voice from heaven, saying, “This is my beloved Son, * with whom I am well pleased.”
Luke 22: 70 “And they all said, “Are you the Son of God, then?” And he said to them, “You say that I am.” 71 And they said, "What further testimony do we need? We have heard it ourselves from his own lips."
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DonLeon
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The bible is full of instances where Jesus claims to be God. The bible, from the beginning of the old testament through the book of Revelation is filled with proofs that Jesus IS God!
The blind do not see and the deaf cannot hear. There is nothing so sad as to one who is blind to the truth and refuses to see. Or one who is deaf to the truth and refuses to hear.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem.
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heiscominginthe
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Jesus didn’t claim to be God the Father. When he told the Pharacees and Suducees that he and his Father were one, they became very upset because they took it to mean he was God. So Jesus did claim to be God, the full authority of the Godhead through the ministry of the Holy Spirit without measure. Yet, he made it clear he answered unto the Father and that the Father was above him.
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PJM
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Dear friend,
“Our image” refers to ONE God who has ONE PERFECT and DEVINE Nature, but consisit of The Father [Creator] The Son Redeemer] and the Holy Spirit [sanctifer]."
Mt. 3: 13 “Then **Jesus [Son of God and redeemer] **came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. 14 John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” 15 But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now; for thus it is fitting for us to fulfil all righteousness.” Then he consented. 16 And when Jesus was baptized, he went up immediately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, [The Holy Spirit sanctifer] and alighting on him; 17and lo, a voice from heaven, saying, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased God The Father… Creator].”
The New Testament is replete with references to each of the Persons of the Divine trinity.
Shalome dear friend!
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Then why is the Church called the Bride of Christ, His Body?
(FYI, I don’t need an answer from you, but simply to show once again that you don’t know what you’re talking about. No one would who interprets God’s Holy Word based on their own pride and personal wishes, as you do.)
The question you need to answer to yourself is why do you sacrifice truth to personal interpretations?
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heiscominginthe
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Is not Jesus Christ the door on which we enter by faith? Is it not written that he is the head of the church?
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SHW
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Acts 14:27 “Now when they had come and gathered the church together, they reported all that God had done with them, and that He had opened the door of faith to the Gentiles.”
The Church is a hierarchical society which embraces common beliefs in regards to faith and morals. Jesus is the head of this Church, the body of Christ. (Ephesians 5:23)
Romans 7:4 “Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.”
Romans 12:4-5 “For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.”
1 Corinthians 12:27 “Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.”
Colossians 1:24 “I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,”
1 Corinthians 10:16 “The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?”
Pax,
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guanophore
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Yes, but that does not answer the question:
Then why is the Church called the Bride of Christ, His Body?
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heiscominginthe
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Is it not written that the body has many parts and the head is the more important part, but all parts serve for the whole?
Certainly the believers are what is spoken in scripture as the bride of Christ. For it is the believers, all believers, not just those in the CC who make up the body of the church. The church is not just one man, one group of men, one denomination. The church is all who have been born again by faith in the Son of God.
It has nothing to do with water baptism, for a man is saved by grace alone. If a man claims that he must have water baptism to be saved, then he is going against scripture, for it is written we are saved by grace alone.
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PJM
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Of course He is:thumbsup:
I am** the** Vine
I am** the** Way
I am** the** Truth
I am **the **Light
I am the Door
I am the Bread of Life … Amen!
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SHW
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This saving grace is imparted to us through Baptism. We cannot change the way that Jesus chose to save us.
We are saved (made His disciples) through Baptism.
Matthew 28:19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”
It is up to us to obey His command to be baptized if we desire to be saved.
Acts 22:16 “And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.’”
“Calling on the name of the Lord” is “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” while pouring water over a person’s forehead.
You cannot change 2000 years of Biblical history and Church practice just because you personally have decided that it is not true. It’s not the Church that is in error, it is you.
Pax,
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