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Julius_Caesar
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You’ve proven it again.
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whatistrue
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Not even close. You can keep saying that all you want, but that doesn’t cause it to suddenly make sense or be true.
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Julius_Caesar
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It would seem your words support me more than you.You can keep saying that all you want, but that doesn’t cause it to suddenly make sense or be true.
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whatistrue
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Only to someone out of touch with reality. And on that note, and to avoid this particular waste of time, welcome to the Ignore bucket.It would seem your words support me more than you.
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Julius_Caesar
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Like you? Maybe you should change your handle to whatisayistrue.Only to someone out of touch with reality.
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TheLittleLady
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Adding to that, every Jewish young girl knew the prophecies and wondered if she would be the mother of the Messiah. Mary knew all of those things, then, an Angel told her that she WAS to be the mother.
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Julius_Caesar
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So why would they have to explain Isaiah 53 to people? Why was it such a shock that Jesus died on the Cross?
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stpurl
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You are doing apples and oranges.
Nobody is saying that Mary had a god-like understanding. But nobody—least of all the Church—is saying that she had a limited understanding.
As the most perfect of all creatures, Mary had the most perfect understanding of God and His plan possible. That her understanding did not reach the fullness of God’s understanding means not that she was lacking. None of us have that kind of understanding. In fact, her understanding ‘way back then’ surpassed all the understanding even of the theologians, even St. Thomas Aquinas.
The Church itself to this day does not have the full understanding of God regarding all these teachings, because we aren’t God. But you aren’t the Mother of God, who would have needed a lot more understanding that “Julius Caesar’ on a forum giving his opinion. She was actually there raising Jesus and indeed teaching Him to walk, talk, listen, and ‘know’. Where do you think St. Luke actually ‘got’ much of his gospel from, anyway?
Nobody is saying that Mary had a god-like understanding. But nobody—least of all the Church—is saying that she had a limited understanding.
As the most perfect of all creatures, Mary had the most perfect understanding of God and His plan possible. That her understanding did not reach the fullness of God’s understanding means not that she was lacking. None of us have that kind of understanding. In fact, her understanding ‘way back then’ surpassed all the understanding even of the theologians, even St. Thomas Aquinas.
The Church itself to this day does not have the full understanding of God regarding all these teachings, because we aren’t God. But you aren’t the Mother of God, who would have needed a lot more understanding that “Julius Caesar’ on a forum giving his opinion. She was actually there raising Jesus and indeed teaching Him to walk, talk, listen, and ‘know’. Where do you think St. Luke actually ‘got’ much of his gospel from, anyway?
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Julius_Caesar
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It would seem you read these quotes wrong.Nobody is saying that Mary had a god-like understanding. But nobody–
If we have to walk by faith, and if St Paul had to - then so, surely, did she have to. This way of looking at her is also how the Servant of God Frank Duff, the Founder of the Legion of Mary, saw her. I think that is good authority for seeing her in this way.
To me, her knowledge/understanding grew in time, keeping all in her heart.
So, while we cannot be certain, its seems to me she arrived at her understanding of Jesus’ mission later
These are all Catholics who are saying Mary GREW in understanding from little.In short, Mama Mary became an understanding and a caring mother. Keeping all things in her heart and trusting the LORD
So tell me how these fine people are saying the same thing you and @ColoradoCatholic say.IMHO, probably very little.
Or ‘stpurl’ giving his opinion.But you aren’t the Mother of God, who would have needed a lot more understanding that “Julius Caesar’ on a forum giving his opinion
And I’m getting this from HER TESTIMONY or the testimony of someone close to her after she received the Holy Spirit.
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stpurl
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SHE, not he, young man, and there was never a mention of growing ‘from little’ (understanding) except from you and one poster who actually noted it was his/her ‘opinion’ in the tiny bit you snipped.
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How so? Simeon tells her that Jesus will be a sign of contradiction, opposed, responsible for the fall and rise of many, and that her own heart will be pierced. Thus she knew her Son would suffer, have a major impact, and that she herself would suffer. This is what I wrote. So please explain your objection to what I wrote.
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ColoradoCatholic
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You should read “the mystical city of God” by Mary of Agreda. I think it might change your mind. Its also highly supported by the Catholic Church.
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Benadam
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Mary’s intellect was not obstructed like ours. She is fit to be the human that the door to the mysteries opened to. I think she knew what was necessary to teach the Son of God what He needed to learn. As a Christian only Jesus knew more. Maybe…lol
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Benadam
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I think Mary knew what the ruling elite did to Prophets and she taught Jesus that when He was rubbing elbows with them when He was found there at 12 years old
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Julius_Caesar
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Private revelation don’t count.
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Julius_Caesar
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Does that opinion contradict Mary in Catholicism? No.
Reread the quotes.
Reread the quotes.
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Julius_Caesar
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And both Mary and Joseph were amazed. Meaning they didn’t get it.Thus she knew her Son would suffer, have a major impact,
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ColoradoCatholic
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Wow…maybe you should talk to a priest about that.
Just a list of some Private Revelations:
Divine Mercy Chaplet
Rosary
St. Michael Prayer
Eucharistic Miracles
They don’t count either?
I think it is foolish to discount private revelation because it isn’t in the Bible, sounds a lot like Protestantism to me.
Just a list of some Private Revelations:
Divine Mercy Chaplet
Rosary
St. Michael Prayer
Eucharistic Miracles
They don’t count either?
I think it is foolish to discount private revelation because it isn’t in the Bible, sounds a lot like Protestantism to me.
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Julius_Caesar
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I think it’s foolish to mandate private revalations as part of the Deposit of Faith when they are only worthy of belief. Which is more Protestant than you realize.I think it is foolish to discount private revelation because it isn’t in the Bible,
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stpurl
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Actually you yourself are the one making the contradictions.
None of those ‘quotes’ that you listed with the exception of the poster who freely admitted he had an OPINION regarding a situation where he THOUGHT Mary MIGHT have a limited understanding regarding that one situation ever contradicted anything I said, whereas your own attempts to paint Mary, and Joseph as well, as lacking with regard to human understanding alone and especially as ‘not getting it’, truly show that YOU do not understand Catholic doctrine.
Again, nobody is claiming Mary had a god-like understanding. But you should not (as no Catholic ever has) complain that she has such a limited understanding that she ‘didn’t get it’. Didn’t get WHAT? Do you think she did not know from the start what the Messiah’s life would entail? Just because some (not all but some) Jewish people thought he would be a warrior king, well, did warrior kings have an easy life? Would there be danger? Even if God protected the child, He didn’t just ‘waft them away’, they had a long hard dangerous walk to Egypt and Joseph had to work and Mary had to live in exile with him and a new baby. It takes sense and courage for a young woman to handle all that. Herod was on their tail. Do you think they didn’t hear tales of the Holy Innocents? Do you think Mary didn’t know the Scriptures of the suffering Servant?
You are ‘selling Mary short’. Why? Is it so hard for people to realise that putting her down and limiting her role and downplaying her knowledge is distorting who JESUS is?
None of those ‘quotes’ that you listed with the exception of the poster who freely admitted he had an OPINION regarding a situation where he THOUGHT Mary MIGHT have a limited understanding regarding that one situation ever contradicted anything I said, whereas your own attempts to paint Mary, and Joseph as well, as lacking with regard to human understanding alone and especially as ‘not getting it’, truly show that YOU do not understand Catholic doctrine.
Again, nobody is claiming Mary had a god-like understanding. But you should not (as no Catholic ever has) complain that she has such a limited understanding that she ‘didn’t get it’. Didn’t get WHAT? Do you think she did not know from the start what the Messiah’s life would entail? Just because some (not all but some) Jewish people thought he would be a warrior king, well, did warrior kings have an easy life? Would there be danger? Even if God protected the child, He didn’t just ‘waft them away’, they had a long hard dangerous walk to Egypt and Joseph had to work and Mary had to live in exile with him and a new baby. It takes sense and courage for a young woman to handle all that. Herod was on their tail. Do you think they didn’t hear tales of the Holy Innocents? Do you think Mary didn’t know the Scriptures of the suffering Servant?
You are ‘selling Mary short’. Why? Is it so hard for people to realise that putting her down and limiting her role and downplaying her knowledge is distorting who JESUS is?
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