Jesus's Mother's Understanding

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to mandate private revalations as part of the Deposit of Faith
again, never said this. haha, I think that you are trying so hard to hold onto whatever image of Mary you believe that you don’t understand that its pretty much accepted that what I’ve been saying is a belief shared by most Catholics. Do you believe in our Lady of Fatima? That is a church approved apparition as well. Seems like Mary knows a lot about God to me and I’d be willing to wager I’m laughably less intelligent than her, why not listen to what she is saying?
 
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None of those ‘quotes’ that you listed with the exception of the poster who freely admitted
Apparently you lack reading.

If someone becomes understanding it means they proggresed. That’s what @Dan_Defender said

@TMC said that the text leans with her understanding little at first.
Do you think she did not know from the start what the Messiah’s life would entail?
Did she marvel at what Simeon said or not?
You are ‘selling Mary short’. Why?
Why are you “overhyping” her?

Not even she would want that.
 
Yes but I’m appealing to the traditions held by the Catholic Church for 2000 years…its not like I’m making this stuff up.
 
You’re appealing to private revalation which isnt binding or part of the Deposit of Faith.
 
Let me put it to you this way, because there is a reason private revelation still happens and has helped countless people to the faith and will help you:

Lets say the deposit of faith is a soldiers rifle. The soldier is then asked to go to battle he doesn’t need to worry about ammo or his gun breaking because its unbreakable and will never fail him. But along the way he finds a map, and a pistol and a backpack for food, and a survival manual, and a compass, and a med kit, which he didn’t have when he started out. Do you think he would have a better chance of surviving this battle with all those items?

I think so.
 
Well, that’s a stretch. Being “amazed” does not necessarily mean they “didn’t get it.” I think you need to broaden your understanding: you come across as if you know everything. I wonder why you are presenting yourself in this thread so proudfully?
 
I lack reading what? (Apparently at least I do not lack skills at, um, proofreading). Your tone is extremely offensive and lest I derail the thread or succumb to a lack of charity, I will not engage with you further.
 
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and she knew what Simeon revealed about Jesus’ impact and the suffering He’d go through as well as her own suffering because of Jesus’ “sign of contradiction.”
The text indicates that she didn’t know
This is a really long thread for a proposition you had set in stone from the original post.
Why did you ask a question that you already had a firm answer to?
 
This is a really long thread for a proposition you had set in stone from the original post.
Why did you ask a question that you already had a firm answer to?
Why do you apparently?
 
That STM to agree with what the texts say, and to be humanly credible, and to be good psychology. I don’t see that anything is gained, for piety or theology or doctrine, by attributing to her excellences of which there is no trace in what is known of her earthly life.

If her Divine Son had to grow in grace and wisdom - why should she have been spared having to do so, just like all other Christians ?
 
Anyway, the issue seems academic, unedifying.
To each his own. Although some may find it comforting that being holy doesn’t entail having a high understanding of God’s game plan, but faith in what He reveals to you.
 
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“Thaumazontes” is Luke’s word. It means something like “filled with wonder.” (“Thauma” means “a wonder” or “something wonderful,” as well as more mundane things like “a puppet show.”) It can mean admiring something, or being amazed by it, or being startled by it, or wondering and thinking about it. It can also mean “respect,” “honor,” or even “worship” in various pagan Greek contexts; or it can mean mundane things, like “I wonder why Basil isn’t here” or “I wonder if such and such will happen.”

So let’s consider one of the oldest uses of the word. In the Odyssey, the townspeople “wonder” at young Telemachos speaking so boldly about the bad suitors of his mom Penelope. It’s not anything they didn’t know about, since the suitors were being a pain in their very town, to their own relatives and friends; and it certainly wasn’t anything that Telemachos didn’t know about. They were just strongly impressed by Telemachos’ bold manner of telling the known facts, since he was young and the suitors were nasty bandits. They had known him all his life; but suddenly, they saw what kind of man he might become, and was already becoming.

Another early Homeric use is in the Iliad, where King Priam slips through enemy lines to meet Achilles and beg for his son’s body. Both men see each other up close and “marvel” at each other – Achilles being tall and handsome and godlike, and Priam being kingly and wise and good to listen to. Each of them had seen each other from afar, earlier in the poem, among all the other famous men on the battlefield or watching from Troy’s walls. But they were struck by each other, impressed in a new and deeper way. Achilles suddenly sees Priam as a human being and a father of a beloved dead son, not as his enemy; and Priam sees Achilles as a person instead of an invader. Suddenly they were host and guest, filled with the same purpose of burying Hector, not adversaries at all.

It’s the pivot point of the entire long poem, when the world goes still and changes forever, even though nothing new has been added to the situation. Knowledge did not change; a wisdom of perception and response was added.

If a prophet talks to you, you will be struck by what he says, in a different way than if you just know how things are supposed to go, according to Biblical prophecy. Most times in the Bible, prophets tell people what they already know they should be doing, and how they already knew things were likely to go. It’s a sign, or a kick in the heinie, and not a brand new piece of information. Simeon is telling Mary and Joseph to get serious, and they do get serious. They stop and wonder.

And yes, Luke was exactly the guy to use this specific Greek word for this specific purpose. Anything Homeric in a serious Greek book is a big red flag, just like us quoting Shakespeare would be.
 
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