Jewish Groups Criticize Pope's Meeting With 'Anti-Semitic' Priest

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Its disturbing to see a photo of a smiling BXVI shaking hands with a well-known Polish priest accused of being openly anti-semetic. Charges against Rydzyk by the Polish govt. are still being assessed by the Vatican.

BXVI’s continuing string of recent actions giving outward appearances of being intentional affronts to so many non-Catholics is disturbing on a number of angles. One doesn’t meet the Pope by accident. Couldn’t it wait until after the review of the charges? Is this another embarrassment by the Vatican PR office? If so, this incompetence needs to be removed ASAP. If not…???
 
From the cwnews:
Father Rydzyk has faced accusations of anti-Semitism, fueled by statements that were attributed to him in a report that appeared in Wprost magazine. The Polish priest has denied the charges, and said that the magazine gave an inaccurate account of a lecture that he had delivered. After an investigation of the charges Father Klafka, the Redemptorist provincial, said that the public campaign against Father Rydzyk was a product of “serious provocation and media manipulation.”
Accused is not the same thing as guilty. He denies it. And if the magazine has defamatory remarks on tape, as they claim, why didn’t they publish them? Sounds suspicious to me.

As to the picture of BXVI meeting with Fr. Radzky, there was no big grin of welcome on his face. Just the opposite, the pope looked quite serious.

There are always going to be groups that jump the gun and go on a rampage before the facts are in because it serves their purposes. That is hardly evidence of anything, nor is it reason for the Vatican to shun a priest in good standing merely because others have accused him of saying things they haven’t even had the courage to publish for the world to judge.
 
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Accused is not the same thing as guilty. He denies it. And if the magazine has defamatory remarks on tape, as they claim, why didn’t they publish them? Sounds suspicious to me.

As to the picture of BXVI meeting with Fr. Radzky, there was no big grin of welcome on his face. Just the opposite, the pope looked quite serious.

There are always going to be groups that jump the gun and go on a rampage before the facts are in because it serves their purposes. That is hardly evidence of anything, nor is it reason for the Vatican to shun a priest in good standing merely because others have accused him of saying things they haven’t even had the courage to publish for the world to judge.
I see a smile. Probably just courtesy, but nontheless to be seen as a welcoming smile by most. Those “jumping the gun” are are those who put HH in this position. The charges against Rydzyk are still under review by the Vatican and the Polish government. That alone is sufficient for the Pope’s underlings to keep Rydzyk far away from him. There is absolutely no reason for the Pope, especially this Pope, to permit himself to be in any way tainted by even the suspicion of anti-semitism. None.
 
The problem is that the secular media look at the Pope as the equivalent of a corporate CEO, where he can just fire and hire people at will. Its a lack of understanding to just what the priesthood is.

Even if the priest did in fact make anti-Semitic statements, the Pope would have every right to meet with him, to discuss the issue. He could have the priest removed from ministry, or silence him. However, he could not stop the priest from being a priest. Once a priest, always a priest.

Jim
 
spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,499091,00.html
cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=52803

Its disturbing to see a photo of a smiling BXVI shaking hands with a well-known Polish priest accused of being openly anti-semetic. Charges against Rydzyk by the Polish govt. are still being assessed by the Vatican.

BXVI’s continuing string of recent actions giving outward appearances of being intentional affronts to so many non-Catholics is disturbing on a number of angles. One doesn’t meet the Pope by accident. Couldn’t it wait until after the review of the charges? Is this another embarrassment by the Vatican PR office? If so, this incompetence needs to be removed ASAP. If not…???
I don’t know about this priest - I’ve never heard of him until today, but having read the article I feel that this was meant to be a “private” audience and not an attempt to lend “him the priceless credibility of your office and integrity in the eyes of the world”. Also I feel that we don’t no what the Holy Father told this priest during the audience, or the reason for the audience at all. Last of all we don’t know what these “anti-semitic” statements were, that is we don’t know if they even existed or if they did/do exist what they said. I mean it could be an over reaction to a statement such as “Judaism isn’t true”.

Also if you would like to expound on what you meant by the part of your sentence, which I highlighted (in blue) I would be glad to talk about it.

Catholig
 
I see a smile. Probably just courtesy, but nontheless to be seen as a welcoming smile by most. Those “jumping the gun” are are those who put HH in this position. The charges against Rydzyk are still under review by the Vatican and the Polish government. That alone is sufficient for the Pope’s underlings to keep Rydzyk far away from him. There is absolutely no reason for the Pope, especially this Pope, to permit himself to be in any way tainted by even the suspicion of anti-semitism. None.
I cannot agree with you. The pope has not only the right but the duty to see those under him in ministry. His meeting with this priest is not an automatic stamp of approval. If there are some who through ill-will wish to read it that way, that’s their problem.
 
I cannot agree with you. The pope has not only the right but the duty to see those under him in ministry. His meeting with this priest is not an automatic stamp of approval. If there are some who through ill-will wish to read it that way, that’s their problem.
Its very naive to view the Pope’s “ministry” like he’s a country parish priest. His duty is far broader than ministering to individual priests. He has bigger fish to fry; much bigger fish; like the good of the Church in this world. Rydzyk is simply far more media savvy that the fuddy-duddys in the Vatican, and appears to be playing them like a violin.

This a German Pope who “served” involuntarily in Hitler’s Army as a teen. Many want to twist that into something evil, and use it against the Church. The kind of bad PR the Rydzyk vist brings demonstrates an institutional tone deafness in the Vatican that only furthers their efforts.
 
Also if you would like to expound on what you meant by the part of your sentence, which I highlighted (in blue) I would be glad to talk about it.

Catholig
Saying (in Brazil) that the conquest of the Americas was a blessing for the Indians of South America.
Saying to (or letting others say in his name) that other all Christian churches are “defective” and “wounded”.
 
Saying (in Brazil) that the conquest of the Americas was a blessing for the Indians of South America.
Uhhhm - when did he say that? I thought he said that the Indians of South America were secretly longing for CHRIST even if they didn’t know it. Would you mind hunting down a quote so we can read what the Holy Father said in contexts?
Saying to (or letting others say in his name) that other all Christian churches are “defective” and “wounded”.
Are they not? They don’t support the Pope, who god made the head of the Church, and often times have “defective” theology.

Oh and from what I’ve heard, while some are still crying over it, quite a few Orthodox feel that they trust the Catholic Church more when the she states clearly what she believes, rather than some watered down ecumenism - even if they don’t agree.

Catholig
 
Uhhhm - when did he say that? I thought he said that the Indians of South America were secretly longing for CHRIST even if they didn’t know it. Would you mind hunting down a quote so we can read what the Holy Father said in contexts?

Are they not? They don’t support the Pope, who god made the head of the Church, and often times have “defective” theology.

Oh and from what I’ve heard, while some are still crying over it, quite a few Orthodox feel that they trust the Catholic Church more when the she states clearly what she believes, rather than some watered down ecumenism - even if they don’t agree.

Catholig
I will not play parsing games. That kind of confrontational opinion has and will damage the Church. BXVI’s Brazilian statement was affront enough to generate a Vatican psuedo-apology a week later. As for the other, it’s sufficient to say that the Catholic Church is the one true Church. Period. Words like “defective” and “wounded” in Vatican document are incendiary and serve absolutely no positive role. Whether the Pope ever uttered precisely those words or not, thats how the world heard it.

For five years, most of the Church’s exposure has been associated with ugly scandal. Religion in general is under attack We don’t need more misunderstanding and friction, especially because of theological arrogance, archaic canonical language and courtly protocols. The Vatican must learn to act and communicate in the 21st Century, not the 18th.
 
There is absolutely no reason for the Pope, especially this Pope, to permit himself to be in any way tainted by even the suspicion of anti-semitism. None.
With all due-respect to your pontification, it is impossible.

So long as anyone at any time can make any accusation (true, false, or otherwise) it is unavoidable.

Do you have good reason to actually believe this priests is guilty of such a charge? Or even what supposedly said?

From*** Spiegle ***"One would expect the Vatican to clearly distance itself from…" In other words, having clearly vilified him, you had better not talk to him?

It would also be very wise to not attribute to any of these accusing groups impartiality or being free from agenda.
 
spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,499091,00.html
cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=52803

Its disturbing to see a photo of a smiling BXVI shaking hands with a well-known Polish priest accused of being openly anti-semetic.
“Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?” Mt. 9:11.

Neither the Vatican nor either of these articles describe what was said at the meeting. Nor do they say the Pope endorsed anything this priest said or allegedly said. There is nothing wrong with the Pope meeting even the worst sinners.

-Illini
 
I see a smile. Probably just courtesy, but nontheless to be seen as a welcoming smile by most. Those “jumping the gun” are are those who put HH in this position. The charges against Rydzyk are still under review by the Vatican and the Polish government. That alone is sufficient for the Pope’s underlings to keep Rydzyk far away from him. There is absolutely no reason for the Pope, especially this Pope, to permit himself to be in any way tainted by even the suspicion of anti-semitism. None.
Why do you worry what the world thinks? Are you afraid of persecution? For as long as I can remember the Church has always been badgered by the secular world. The Pope has done nothing wrong, and if the media or anyone else want to fling accusations than that is fine, but just remember that Christ promised that the never world shall not prevail against His Church.

As far as what this priest has done no one knows yet if he is guilty except him and God. He stated that he is innocent and since we haven’t yet any proof of his guilt lets be good Christians and give him the benefit of the doubt before we start throwing stones. Besides the last time I heard Jesus is still on throne and doesn’t need any help.
 
I will not play parsing games. That kind of confrontational opinion has and will damage the Church. BXVI’s Brazilian statement was affront enough to generate a Vatican psuedo-apology a week later.
I’m not playing parsing games either, I simply feel that you are (possibly unintentionally) misrepresenting the Pope. In fact I think everyone is, because while doing a Google Search all I couldn’t find the text to his speech at all. I think we should look at that before we start condemning the pope.

Also - I don’t think that it was a pseudo-apology, and you have absolutely no proof to show that it was insincere. I mean - I feel that the pope was right about the Indians longing to be fullfilled and to know Our Lord Jesus Christ - I also feel that what he said in his apology (I think) about the violence used by some of the Spaniards as being unacceptable, and contrary to what god would have wanted.
As for the other, it’s sufficient to say that the Catholic Church is the one true Church. Period. Words like “defective” and “wounded” in Vatican document are incendiary and serve absolutely no positive role. Whether the Pope ever uttered precisely those words or not, thats how the world heard it.
Well it is interesting to think that we don’t even know whether or not he used the words “defective” or “wounded” now. I mean I was willing just to accept your word that he did… But if he didn’t it could just be another case of the media distorting his words (as they most likely did in the first instance, since we can’t find any direct quotes w/ the exception of “silent(ly?) longing”)

In any case - I don’t think the Holy Father was wrong in his assessment, and as I said before some Orthodox have expressed that while they disagree with the Holy Father (obviously) they respect us more when we actually stick up for what we believe rather than saying all things are relative. In fact I think that it is a misrepresentation of the faith for us to say otherwise.
For five years, most of the Church’s exposure has been associated with ugly scandal. Religion in general is under attack We don’t need more misunderstanding and friction, especially because of theological arrogance, archaic canonical language and courtly protocols. The Vatican must learn to act and communicate in the 21st Century, not the 18th.
I think that while true Ecumenism is admirable, we cannot ignore the differences, and we should not just say that “everything is okay”. This is either the One True Church founded by Christ or it isn’t. There’re no two ways about it.

Also I find it pretty disrespectful that you would use the word “theological arrogance” - especially since you seem to be qualifying H.H. Pope Benedict XVI’s statements with that word.

Catholig
 
Why do you worry what the world thinks? Are you afraid of persecution? For as long as I can remember the Church has always been badgered by the secular world. The Pope has done nothing wrong, and if the media or anyone else want to fling accusations than that is fine, but just remember that Christ promised that the never world shall not prevail against His Church.

As far as what this priest has done no one knows yet if he is guilty except him and God. He stated that he is innocent and since we haven’t yet any proof of his guilt lets be good Christians and give him the benefit of the doubt before we start throwing stones. Besides the last time I heard Jesus is still on throne and doesn’t need any help.
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spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,499091,00.html
cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=52803

Its disturbing to see a photo of a smiling BXVI shaking hands with a well-known Polish priest accused of being openly anti-semetic.
The key word is “accused.” The priest has denied these charges, and we should, in Christian charity, give him the benefit of the doubt until otherwise proven.

At any rate, I actually find it much more disturbing to see a photo like this:
http://www.adl.org/NR/rdonlyres/eda...jakpukjw7cmlguypoyybs3kuau6xoywg/ahfPope2.gif
A pope is shaking hands with a well-known abortion supporter. Now that is quite scandalous.
 
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