Jewish People and Jesus

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7_Sorrows said:
frankly, i don’t know what you call a Hindu who converts to Catholicism, nor do i care.
the term Messianic Jew is not a “brand” name.
why don’t you answer the OP’s question instead of arguing about everything?
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The OP’s question was answered in my first post, it’s you who has been determined to divert us into ‘Why do Christians believe in Jesus?’
 
TruthRevealed said:
Judaism 101 is the teaching of Prophet Moses or Judah, the son of Prophet Jacob. If i am not mistaking.
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The first Covenant was with Abraham, of course, but the Covenant at Sinai (Moses) was God telling us in considerable detail just what we had to do as our part of the agreement.
 
Kaninchen said:
The first Covenant was with Abraham, of course, but the Covenant at Sinai (Moses) was God telling us in considerable detail just what we had to do as our part of the agreement.
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So it should be Mosesism 101 not Judaism 101. If I am not wrong.
 
TruthRevealed said:
So it should be Mosesism 101 not Judaism 101. If I am not wrong.
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The word comes from Judah (the place). The original Kingdom of Israel had split in two, of the original tribes, the lands of the tribe of Judah (and later those of the tribe of Benjamin) became the (Southern) Kingdom of Judah. When the Assyrians destroyed the (Northern) Kingdom of Israel, only the Kingdom of Judah remained.
 
chosen_people said:
For those interested in this subject I would suggest the book “Twenty-six reasons why Jews don’t believe in Jesus” by Asher Norman
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Very Very Interesting Videos. Thanks for linking. Last video is kind of great which is music. I am planning to advice my brother to go to Israel for continuing education. (InshaAllah) But in the mean time somthing striking in my mind why God did not allow Prophet Moses to enter in this holy land. My islamic point is that due to his temperment. Do you know why according to Torah?
 
Kaninchen said:
The OP’s question was answered in my first post, it’s you who has been determined to divert us into ‘Why do Christians believe in Jesus?’
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i beg to differ, but no matter what i say i will be blamed because you are so quick to prove that you are right and everyone else is wrong. i have been at CAF for over 2 years and am familiar with your posts. i haven’t said anything about why christians believe in Jesus,
simply that Messianic Jews do (which is a group who you do not identify as Jews).
so instead of picking on my posts, and since you are jewish, why not contibute to the topic of the thread.
 
meltzerboy said:
I didn’t do a poll, but my understanding is that Messianic Jews are themselves divided. Some of them regard themselves mainly as Christians, in particular Protestants, both Evangelical and other varieties, as well as Hebrew Catholics. However, they wish to retain much of the tradition of Judaism. At the same time, there is a sizable number of Messianic Jews who consider themselves Jewish and do not call themselves Christian. Indeed some of them regard themselves as more fully Jewish than those Jews who are not Messianic. The mainstream Jewish community–Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform–may not look at these Messianic Jews as Jewish, but some of the Messianic Jews themselves do. Just as Quakers, Mormons, Oneness Pentecostals, and Jehovah’s Witnesses all (for the most part) consider themselves Christians even though mainstream Christianity may not.
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Yes I think you are right. These Messainic Jews seem very Jewish to me. Anyway, I love the music and the dancing, (same with regular Jewish music and dancing). Seems like there was a time in the 1970s when there was a lot of celebration of Judaism and more co-mingling of Christians and Jews. I remember taking Jewish folk-dancing classes in college, so maybe I’m just nostalgic, wishing there were more musicals like Fiddler on the Roof, etc. 🙂
 
meltzerboy said:
I didn’t do a poll, but my understanding is that Messianic Jews are themselves divided. Some of them regard themselves mainly as Christians, in particular Protestants, both Evangelical and other varieties, as well as Hebrew Catholics. However, they wish to retain much of the tradition of Judaism. At the same time, there is a sizable number of Messianic Jews who consider themselves Jewish and do not call themselves Christian. Indeed some of them regard themselves as more fully Jewish than those Jews who are not Messianic. The mainstream Jewish community–Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform–may not look at these Messianic Jews as Jewish, but some of the Messianic Jews themselves do. Just as Quakers, Mormons, Oneness Pentecostals, and Jehovah’s Witnesses all (for the most part) consider themselves Christians even though mainstream Christianity may not.
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I always enjoy reading your posts. They are always written with warmth and are easy to understand. However, I didn’t know that there were so many sects of Judaism… Thanks
 
7_Sorrows said:
i beg to differ, but no matter what i say i will be blamed because you are so quick to prove that you are right and everyone else is wrong. i have been at CAF for over 2 years and am familiar with your posts. i haven’t said anything about why christians believe in Jesus,
simply that Messianic Jews do (which is a group who you do not identify as Jews).
so instead of picking on my posts, and since you are jewish, why not contibute to the topic of the thread.
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Unlike you, I have.
 
teresa_lamb said:
I always enjoy reading your posts. They are always written with warmth and are easy to understand. However, I didn’t know that there were so many sects of Judaism… Thanks
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Thank you so much, Teresa, for the compliment. While there are not as many divisions and subdivisions in Judaism as there are in Protestantism, we have our share. However, most agree on certain basic principles of faith.
 
I will like the discussion about Messianic Jews to end immediately. I do not want to see them mentioned here anymore for it is causing arguments. People may continue to answer my question about why Jewish people do not believe in Jesus but I wish to not hear about Messianic Jews anymore.
If you will like to speak more about them, you can start your own thread concerning them.

Thank you
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
Yes I think you are right. These Messainic Jews seem very Jewish to me. Anyway, I love the music and the dancing, (same with regular Jewish music and dancing). Seems like there was a time in the 1970s when there was a lot of celebration of Judaism and more co-mingling of Christians and Jews. I remember taking Jewish folk-dancing classes in college, so maybe I’m just nostalgic, wishing there were more musicals like Fiddler on the Roof, etc. 🙂
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Fiddler on the Roof is one of my favorites. i also love the music and dancing.
i studied at a local synagogue several years ago and the cantor had the most beautiful voice. when she would sing the prayers during the service you didn’t want the singing to stop. you felt like you were carried back thousands of years.
 
Kaninchen said:
Unlike you, I have.
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are you able to give an answer to the OP’s question without asking someone to go to a website? it is always better to hear from someone who practices judaism than to read
an explanation on a website.
 
7_Sorrows said:
are you able to give an answer to the OP’s question without asking someone to go to a website? it is always better to hear from someone who practices judaism than to read
an explanation on a website.
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As a Jewish guest on a Catholic forum I have no wish to publicly argue on the forum against Catholic theology.

I believe that the sensitivity of the issue, as well as forum rules, makes an honest in depth discussion of this particular topic on the forum impossible. That is my reason to refer to written published material whenever this subject arises.

May I suggest that if you or anyone else is interested in having a private discussion with me on this topic to contact me at askchosenpeople@gmail.com.
 
7_Sorrows said:
are you able to give an answer to the OP’s question without asking someone to go to a website? it is always better to hear from someone who practices judaism than to read
an explanation on a website.
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7 Sorrows, Kaninchen’s reply was a good one because it supplied me with the information I was seeking. The link had more information than she could have written here. chosen people also gives another good reason to why she didn’t say it here. Kaninchen may have other reasons but don’t you think it is easier to just put a link than to type up a whole bunch of information?

That is just what I think.
 
FaithJoy said:
Some Jewish people , whom I love as brothers and sisters, try to define the Hebrew word almah as meaning merely young women. Almah actually means virgin. biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/nas/almah.html
also bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/H5959/%60almah.htm
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In fact, sometimes almah may mean virgin and other times it means young woman, damsel, maid, but not necessarily virgin. Hebrew uses other words which more consistently and explicitly mean virgin most (not all) of the time. In the Hebrew Bible, the word almah is used a few times, and sometimes it means virgin while other times it does not. The verse in question comes from Isaiah, and Christian scholars have argued that here almah translates as virgin, while Jewish scholars have argued it translates as young woman. Both arguments revolve around the context of what Isaiah was talking about (as in so many other instances in passages from Isaiah), whether referring to the future or a historical event of the past. Besides which, interpretation of Isaiah is, in most cases, a tricky enterprise since this great Prophet spoke in metaphorical language. In short, the issue regarding the meaning of almah in Isaiah is far from settled.
 
RedDuke50 said:
7 Sorrows, Kaninchen’s reply was a good one because it supplied me with the information I was seeking. The link had more information than she could have written here. chosen people also gives another good reason to why she didn’t say it here. Kaninchen may have other reasons but don’t you think it is easier to just put a link than to type up a whole bunch of information?

That is just what I think.
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oh, i don’t know. i have been coming to CAF for about 2 1/2 years and i enjoy hearing from people defending their own faith in their own words or explaining a certain aspect or doctrine of their faith. whenever i had questions about judaism or any other religion, i would go to the proper website on the internet and read and learn. you chose to come to CAF and wanted to hear from Jewish people. if i have any other questions, i might come to CAF and ask someone.
i think many Catholics who post here do an excellent job of explaining the Catholic religion.
 
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