Jewish Refugees vs Syrian Refugees

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“Ppl’s tongues act worse than their hearts.” I like this, and I am likely to remember it and use it. And it is probably true.
 
But HOW to manage fear? That is the question. By catering to the fears of people, feeding them, or by showing people that their fears are unfounded? I choose the latter.
 
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Good point. And the thread is also posted in the sub-forum of Social Justice. So how does the barring of refugees as a general policy square with the Catholic teaching of offering help to the stranger in their time of need? I would argue it does not, and that it requires some mental gymnastics to neatly fit the politics to the theology.
 
As a Jewish person, you, meltzerboy2, should know how radically different Muslims are from Jews. I would submit to Jewish people well before I would ever submit to Islam.

If my fears were unfounded, you wouldn’t see the great problems with Muslims in Europe that we are seeing.

I’m perceptive, not paranoid, although both start with the letter “p.”
 
meltzerboy2 said:
But HOW to manage fear? That is the question. By catering to the fears of people, feeding them, or by showing people that their fears are unfounded? I choose the latter.
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Enforcing the rule of law on immigration is clearly the best way to manage fears.

How do you imagine anything else would be required? People are objecting to it not being followed.
 
On the contrary, as a Jewish person, I know what it means to be the target of hatred and discrimination. I also know that Muslims, who are a thriving part of New York City and attend the Catholic university in which I teach, are very respectful of my religion as well as Catholicism. They only want the opportunity to practice their own religion without fear or intimidation, the same as Jews want. After all, Muslims and Jews are brothers and sisters under the skin right down to their dietary laws and many of the moral principles that most of them practice in their daily interactions with others.
 
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Theo520 said:
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meltzerboy2:
But HOW to manage fear? That is the question. By catering to the fears of people, feeding them, or by showing people that their fears are unfounded? I choose the latter.
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Enforcing the rule of law on immigration is clearly the best way to manage fears.

How do you imagine anything else would be required? People are objecting to it not being followed.
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We’re not speaking of immigrants but refugees. There’s an important distinction, especially from the perspective of the Church’s social teachings.
 
I don’t know what I was thinking taking on two threads on two separate hot-button issues, refugees here and childhood immunization elsewhere, lol! But let me dedicate a little more attention to your post.
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The number of refugees the US can readily sustain is also impacted by illegal immigrants arriving and competing for public services and low skilled entry work.
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I’ve been reading just the opposite. http://fortune.com/2017/08/08/immigration-worker-shortage-rotting-crops/

This should free up more jobs for the at-risk youth with which you work.
Theo520 said:
We have seen dramatic increases in illegal migration in recent decades.
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I’ve poked around for data on this and didn’t find much. Are you able to provide any? This is a hard figure to quantify because we’re already dealing with people living off the government radar.
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I work part time with ‘at risk’ Foster kids and have worked with parolees attempting to reintegrate after their time behind bars. These are the people who are lowest in desirability by employers but have the greatest need for employment. I want a tight labor market for entry work, so they can become productive contributors. It’s only with the recent tight labor market of the last couple years that we are finally seeing significant drops in black unemployment, especially among black teens.
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I’m actually pleased that my state addressed this dilemma in a meaningful way. Oregon House passes 'Ban the Box' bill, aimed at helping ex-cons get jobs - oregonlive.com
 
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I can assure you that between multiple interviews over a two-year period and invasive background checks all the way down to fingerprints and retina scans, they are being well vetted.
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😂😂🤣

Thanks for the laugh.

And you’ll understand if I don’t trust your private assurances.

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meltzerboy2 said:
Similar arguments were made against the Irish and Italians (anti-Catholics), against the Japanese and Germans (concentration camps in the U.S.), against the Jews (anti-Semitism), against Mexicans (Trumpism).
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Make sure you tell that to the Palestinians and Native Americans. They should not have let fear get in the way, should they?
 
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Read “Slavery, Terrorism and Islam” by Peter Hammond and books like it. Essentially, if Muslims make up a very small percentage of the population, they will behave as you have experienced. But the larger the percentage of Muslims, the greater is the push for sharia law.

Nobody here has reduced my well-founded fears stated above. In Britain, there are 20,000 polygamous marriages and taxpayers are often forced to pay for the livelihoods of the extra wives in the form of welfare. Let’s discuss that. Or any of the other points I made.

You have just stated anecdotal evidence. I have similar experiences, meeting lovely Muslim taxi drivers, pharmacists, and such. But that isn’t getting to the heart of the issue. You must look long term.
 
You are welcome, Brother! At 70, looking at my last run, I feel like YODA! JOKE. But, I do feel I have a short time to be heard. I have lived through much. I have seen much. I reached my NIRVENA! HAHA using metophysical elevated state. I have not arrived yet. We never do. Each day is an adventure. I’m not living as productively as He wants me. SIGH… Let my epitaph be GOD IS! GOD LOVES! JESUS IS THE MESSIAH! The HOLY SPIRIT MIVES US TO GREATNESS. Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit. Elohim speaks to us. Source of power.
There is the Love of God and the Theology of God. We should not get lost in the Theology of God and lose the Love if God.
LONG EPITAPH! Will I ever shut up.
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Tweedlealice
 
Hi
Just saw note where you state rejection of Mexicans is TRUMPISM! We don’t hate Mexicans! We are FOR RULE OF LAW.
Quotas must be considered so we don’t lose who we are, as Americans. Allowing ppl w merit in, helps our societies. The wealthy do charitable things but aren’t covering poverty in USA. If we let poor in, our debt increases. Our resources must meet our needs. We should not be borrowing from other countries!
Charities can disperse $$ to poor ppl IN THEIR COUNTRY! How do you stop dictators and corrupt govts.
In Christ’s Love
Tweedlealice .
 
gracepoole said:
We’re not speaking of immigrants but refugees. There’s an important distinction, especially from the perspective of the Church’s social teachings.
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A significant number of the immigrants flooding Europe failed to qualify as refugees, by UN standards.
 
Are these polygamous marriages legally recognized, or are they really just people living together in polyamorous arrangements by choice? Because people can just do the latter, whether or not we think it’s a good idea, and we can’t really stop them.

As for the cost to taxpayers, would these people’s need for public assistance somehow be lessened if the “extra” women were just living alone, without the man who considers himself their husband and provider?
 
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gracepoole:
We’re not speaking of immigrants but refugees. There’s an important distinction, especially from the perspective of the Church’s social teachings.
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A significant number of the immigrants flooding Europe failed to qualify as refugees, by UN standards.
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The OP asked whether the US is morally obligated to take in refugees. As refugees (or immigrants) cannot cross the Mediterranean to reach the US, we do not face the kind of influx with which Europe has to contend.
 
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