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AlNg
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So Jesus had two separate minds?
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Wesrock
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We would say that Jesus had two intellects: a human intellect and the Divine intellect.Isearch:
So Jesus had two separate minds?
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08675a.htm
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BartholomewB
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@BenYosef , just a note to let you know I have now found it online, here:
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...on_cfaith_doc_20020212_popolo-ebraico_en.html
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...on_cfaith_doc_20020212_popolo-ebraico_en.html
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awesomecatholic
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Jews don’t believe Jesus is the Messiah, they believe he was a prophet. If they had believed in Jesus’ divinity then they would be Christians.
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Wesrock
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I think who Jesus was would vary by the Jewish person/community. I’d say at most some might have considered the historical Jesus a prophet. Not all go that far. Some of his words in the Bible, if they take them as representative of who Jesus was, would make him very contrary to a prophet, what with putting himself in place of the Torah, as lawgiver, and certain identification of himself with the divine.
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Mary888
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I am sorry for the missconception. But please don’t read my post in an accusatory manner. Tge idea of whoever it was challenged me, and had a good point. Faith has no roots if we fear challenges.
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AlNg
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Would that imply a split personality?
Also does each Person in the Trinity have His own separate intellect?
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Wesrock
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No. Jesus’ natures were in harmony as one person.Wesrock:
Would that imply a split personality?
Also does each Person in the Trinity have His own separate intellect?
And no, the persons of the Trinity have one divine intellect.
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AlNg
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If they have the same intellect, how can they be distinct?
Harmony? But the human nature did not know the day or the hour and the Divine Nature did know the day or the hour ?
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Wesrock
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Because what we’re really talking about are relational processions of intellect and will internal to God, not human persons.Wesrock:
If they have the same intellect, how can they be distinct?
Jesus knew, but not by virtue of his human intellect, nor was he sent to reveal that information to his disciples.
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AlNg
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Did Jesus say that the Son did not know the day or the hour?
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meltzerboy2
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Yes, I agree we should welcome challenges because it helps us cultivate our skills in defending our faith. It’s just that I don’t really understand the criticism you noted, and therefore I’m certain it was not something I would point out. I wonder who did make that remark. No matter: you simply confused me with someone else, something any of us might do.
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BenYosef
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“The Jewish People and Their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible” was not written by Henry Wansbrough. As you probably know now by having found the document, it is a document written by the Pontifical Biblical Commission.
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BenYosef
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May I add that I have autism and I can’t read anything but cruelty in your style of writing.
Because of this, all I can assume is that you’re a cruel person. You are mean and hurtful. You have disturbed me horribly by your comments. I don’t want to come back here anymore because I am frightened. If you are what it is truly like to be Catholic, then I am glad I am not Catholic.
And at such a holy time such as Easter, too! I am sure you will come back with more cruelty for me, De_Maria.
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LateranBasilica
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I flagged De Maria for his or her uncharitable attitude. This person has been temporarily suspended. IMHO a permanent suspension should have been applied.
please do not measure all Catholics by that person’s yard stick. His or her opinion is just that, an opinion, and not reflected in that of the Magisterium
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Isearch
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The Son does not know the day and hour by the human intellect He has, but by the one Divine intellect He has with the Father.
Christ can’t use His human intellect to know the day and hour because the information about it is absent from His Human intellect.
I anticipate that you will then ask why won’t Christ give the date of the Final Judgement by using His Divine intellect. This is the answer: Christ, by His Divine intellect and, knows the date but will not tell it to His disciples.
Christ can’t use His human intellect to know the day and hour because the information about it is absent from His Human intellect.
I anticipate that you will then ask why won’t Christ give the date of the Final Judgement by using His Divine intellect. This is the answer: Christ, by His Divine intellect and, knows the date but will not tell it to His disciples.
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Kaninchen
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Well, it’s a mixture of other things as well, isn’t it?
Partly, for example, it’s the opportunity to proselytise, partly it’s wanting to win the “Oh yes it is/Oh, no it isn’t,” nature of so many Christian/Jewish arguments.
What Christian posters tend to neglect that what, for them, is the propounding/defending of the scripture/reportage foundation of their beliefs is, for Jews, a matter of literary criticism, rather like discussing the actions and motivations of a character in a Shakespeare play.
It’s a conversation that rarely ends well.
Partly, for example, it’s the opportunity to proselytise, partly it’s wanting to win the “Oh yes it is/Oh, no it isn’t,” nature of so many Christian/Jewish arguments.
What Christian posters tend to neglect that what, for them, is the propounding/defending of the scripture/reportage foundation of their beliefs is, for Jews, a matter of literary criticism, rather like discussing the actions and motivations of a character in a Shakespeare play.
It’s a conversation that rarely ends well.
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Kaninchen
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I’m afraid not, not God, not a prophet, just a character in somebody else’s scriptures.
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Kaninchen
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Quite what that had to do with what I wrote, I can’t imagine but that was hardly the point, was it?
Meanwhile, I’ve only ever ‘reported’ two people in 12 years on CAF, both were a long time ago and one of them was myself.
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PhiriTalk
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@De_Maria
The story of the blind man and the elephant may be constructive in explaining why there are different religions at all, let alone why Jews aren’t Christian.
The story of the blind man and the elephant may be constructive in explaining why there are different religions at all, let alone why Jews aren’t Christian.
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