Jews--Christians--Muslims...same God?

[nmgauss]

IMO yes it does.

Because we all want truth. And Jesus taught us truth. He told us he is the Light the Truth and the Way.

We are all called to be his disciples. How can we all be his disciples and spread his truth is we all want to have our own truth?

We are called to spread the good news his truth.

But ALSO and this is a BIG ALSO, We are taught if people reject it to shake the dust from our shoes and move on.

Another wards don’t shove it down someones throat either. They have free will to accept or reject.

Why don’t Jews spread their truth? What difference does it make for Christians to spread their truth, and not expect the same from Jews.

If one spreads a different truth, why does the Church declare it heresy, and feel justified in persecuting the individual? Why do Muslims want to attack anybody that spreads a different truth than what is in the Quran?

 

[nmgauss]

I was illustrating that God exists even if the world COMPLETELY ends. If the world ends, blows up, is obliterated, and ALL would then be destroyed, indeed the Earth were to no longer be part of the universe, Earth is gone, no humans of any type of race, creed, nationality, etc., no animals, no bugs, no gnats, spiders,horses, donkeys, monkeys,squirrels, ants, flies, trees, bushes,grass, rivers, oceans. Do you get what I am saying now? NOTHING KNOWN AS EARTH OR RELATED TO EARTH would be in existence. Still,

God would be God.

God does not need our religions. Have you read the Book of Job? God gives a pretty good talk on this to Job.

Then why did God allow Satan to kill Job’s children? I thought God wanted people. I didn’t think that sacrificing Job’s children to prove a point was admirable.

Would God be unhappy if there were no humans to worship Him?

 

[jakasaki]

Why don’t Jews spread their truth? What difference does it make for Christians to spread their truth, and not expect the same from Jews.

If one spreads a different truth, why does the Church declare it heresy, and feel justified in persecuting the individual? Why do Muslims want to attack anybody that spreads a different truth than what is in the Quran?

Your question is answered in this website

myjewishlearning.com/ask_the_expert/at/Ask_the_Expert_Proselytism.shtml

 

[deb216]

Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe in the God of Abraham, though they worship and understand Him differently. This is not an opinion, it is fact.

I attended a Christian university. My degree is in Social Studies, the study of which included both world history and world religion. The connection between Judaism, Christianity and Islam is crystal clear. Muslims include the Old Testament in their Holy Scriptures, though they believe that it is imperfect. They recognize all Jewish and Christian prophets, though they believe that Mohammed was the last and greatest. They believe that Jesus was a prophet, but not the Son of God. Furthermore, Mohammed considered Jews and Christians to be “brothers of the Book” who should not be compelled to convert. (It was later leaders and interpretations that taught otherwise.) Muslims hold that it was Ishmael that Abraham offered as a sacrifice because Isaac was never an “only” son. As such, they believe that the covenant was built up Ishmael and his Arab descendents, not the Jewish descendents of Isaac.

I am a devout Roman Catholic but my faith–my fundamental Christianity–is not built upon ignorance. I can disagree with the Muslims (for a myriad of reasons) and still accept that they worship my God. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they have been deceived…but many Christians have also been deceived. I pray for them all and leave it up to God to sort it out at the appointed time.

 

[nmgauss]

Your question is answered in this website

myjewishlearning.com/ask_the_expert/at/Ask_the_Expert_Proselytism.shtml

Why do you not want to answer the questions yourself? Is it too much effort?

 

[daler]

Jakasaki,

And lets agree with this thread on one thing, lets try togetherness and the teachings and bring people to Christ not division.

Jakaski,
I commend you for your spirit of togetherness. Ultimately, God intends to unite “all” the peoples of the world into the “One Fold and One Shepherd”.
When we resist God’s will to enter, He will not compel us to enter. He invites us, at whatever stage we are in, following whatever Prophet we do.
Some followed Moses into the Jewish Faith.
Some followed Jesus into the Christian Faith.
Some followed Muhammad into the Muslim Faith.

All of these religions foretell a time when the herds of humanity shall be gathered together into One Fold. Buddhist, Hindu, and American Indians say the same thing.
What is most interesting to me, however, is that the followers of each of these Faith traditions has an expectation of “their” prophet to appear:
The Jews await the Lord of Hosts.
The Christians await the return of Christ.
The Muslims await the Mahdi, and Jesus, as well.
Then the Buddhists are awaiting One called Maitreye.
And the Hindus await the return of Krsna.
The Lakota await the coming of the “Morning Star”, etc.

Jesus said, “Perhaps I will come as a thief in the night” that He will be here and gone before anyone wakes up and realizes He has even been to the house (of believers)

Baha’is believe that all of these prophecies refer to the same Promised One of all religions, that God has intended all Faith groups to be included, to be rounded up, as it were, into the One Fold.
Black Elk said, “I saw forming the Sacred Hoop of all nations…”

Any thoughts, brother?

 

[daler]

Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe in the God of Abraham, though they worship and understand Him differently. This is not an opinion, it is fact.

I attended a Christian university. My degree is in Social Studies, the study of which included both world history and world religion. The connection between Judaism, Christianity and Islam is crystal clear. Muslims include the Old Testament in their Holy Scriptures, though they believe that it is imperfect. They recognize all Jewish and Christian prophets, though they believe that Mohammed was the last and greatest. They believe that Jesus was a prophet, but not the Son of God. Furthermore, Mohammed considered Jews and Christians to be “brothers of the Book” who should not be compelled to convert. (It was later leaders and interpretations that taught otherwise.) Muslims hold that it was Ishmael that Abraham offered as a sacrifice because Isaac was never an “only” son. As such, they believe that the covenant was built up Ishmael and his Arab descendents, not the Jewish descendents of Isaac.

Deb,
Very good (name removed by moderator)ut here on this divisive issue, which should not be divisive, but unifying. As you are pointing out, all of these 3 Faiths believe in the Jewish Prophets. Then Christianity includes a belief in another, Jesus, while not discrediting any gone before Him. then Muslims include yet one more Prophet, Muhammad, while including Jesus and the Jewish Prophets.
The term “Son of God” is not a reference to DNA, but rather distinguishes Jesus as being “very near to God”, in a rough sense. So does the term “Friend of God” apply such a relationship to Abraham. Similarly, the term “Apostle of God” denotes this spiritual relationship to God. I think they essentially mean the same thing, but there is a tendency among us to want to say, “me, mine”, or “my Prophet”, like we say, “my daddy”, etc. So we have our human nature to deal with, and when it comes to religion, we cling to our emotional well-being above our rational, objective, and dispassionate observations.
It is classic sibling rivalry, or the divine kind. Like Tommy Smothers used to say: “Mom always liked you best.”
Hence, the descendants of Abraham still bicker, and sometimes worse, for religious wars have always been about this sort of disagreements.

 

[jakasaki]

Why do you not want to answer the questions yourself? Is it too much effort?

I’m not Jewish…!!!

The site I offered explains it from a Jewish perspective.

It was too much data to copy & paste.

 

[jakasaki]

Jakaski,
I commend you for your spirit of togetherness. Ultimately, God intends to unite “all” the peoples of the world into the “One Fold and One Shepherd”.
When we resist God’s will to enter, He will not compel us to enter. He invites us, at whatever stage we are in, following whatever Prophet we do.
Some followed Moses into the Jewish Faith.
Some followed Jesus into the Christian Faith.
Some followed Muhammad into the Muslim Faith.

I’m not a “brother” - I’m a :curtsey:

 

[daler]

I’m not a “brother” - I’m a :curtsey:

Ha Ha… In the words of Maxwell Smart, “Sorry about that, Chief.”

Say hello to Agent 99

 

[doormouse73]

Jakaski,
I commend you for your spirit of togetherness. Ultimately, God intends to unite “all” the peoples of the world into the “One Fold and One Shepherd”.
When we resist God’s will to enter, He will not compel us to enter. He invites us, at whatever stage we are in, following whatever Prophet we do.
Some followed Moses into the Jewish Faith.
Some followed Jesus into the Christian Faith.
Some followed Muhammad into the Muslim Faith.

ive got a thought.

were is the Baha’is take on this? you have not put it up with the others…

or is it a muslim faith you have like sunnies,sheites,armahdie ect?

what do Baha’i believe?

 

[markone]

So a friend of mine mentioned that Muslims do not believe in the same God as we Christians and Jews. Does anyone else have that belief and if so why? I posted this in the Non-Catholic forum because my friend is a Protestant. I am interested to hear if this is a universal belief within Protestantism or just his personal belief. Thanks

gee what else do most not know of

Who is ALLAH _ By Walid Shoebat

youtu.be/q7GUhKqOMZ0

 

[markoh]

Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe in the God of Abraham, though they worship and understand Him differently. This is not an opinion, it is fact.

I attended a Christian university. My degree is in Social Studies, the study of which included both world history and world religion. The connection between Judaism, Christianity and Islam is crystal clear. Muslims include the Old Testament in their Holy Scriptures, though they believe that it is imperfect. They recognize all Jewish and Christian prophets, though they believe that Mohammed was the last and greatest. They believe that Jesus was a prophet, but not the Son of God. Furthermore, Mohammed considered Jews and Christians to be “brothers of the Book” who should not be compelled to convert. (It was later leaders and interpretations that taught otherwise.) Muslims hold that it was Ishmael that Abraham offered as a sacrifice because Isaac was never an “only” son. As such, they believe that the covenant was built up Ishmael and his Arab descendents, not the Jewish descendents of Isaac.

I am a devout Roman Catholic but my faith–my fundamental Christianity–is not built upon ignorance. I can disagree with the Muslims (for a myriad of reasons) and still accept that they worship my God. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they have been deceived…but many Christians have also been deceived. I pray for them all and leave it up to God to sort it out at the appointed time.

Decision Point - Walid Shoebat - 02/08/12

has a different opinion youtu.be/wxAHgy97K1g

 

[nmgauss]

I’m not Jewish…!!!
The site I offered explains it from a Jewish perspective.
It was too much data to copy & paste.

I did your homework.

"Why do Christians and Muslims, traditionally, proselytize? Because they believe that in order to achieve salvation—that is, to make it to heaven—you have to believe in the same things they believe in.

Judaism doesn’t operate in the same way. According to the Talmud, righteous gentiles have a place in the World to Come (Sanhedrin 105a). "

In other words Non-Jews get just as much respect as Jews.

Thenl, “historically there’s been a significant connection between proselytizing and politics. New groups come to power and coerce the local people to join their religion. Among many other advantages, converting conquered lands to your religion makes them easier to govern. This accounts for much of the spread of Christianity and Islam.”

There you have it in a nutshell. The more people you can convert the more power your group has. Emperor Constantine saw this as a way to gain power over the people in his empire.

The website also describes Jewish attempts to proselytize during Roman times. The attempts were initially successful but then became false conversions when along came St. Paul and offered “eternal life”. This left a bad taste among the Rabbis which later caused them to discourage proselytizing.

 

[Little_Star_1]

Then why did God allow Satan to kill Job’s children? I thought God wanted people. I didn’t think that sacrificing Job’s children to prove a point was admirable.

Would God be unhappy if there were no humans to worship Him?

A lot of people ask this, why does God allow suffering? In this case, why did God allow Satan to cause Job’s suffering? Here, you ask in particular why He allowed Satan to kill Job’s children. Job had no faults in his worship of God and in living his life according to God’s way for us. The Bible clearly states this. Now, if Job was living his life according to God’s commandments, then he raised his children to live in the same manner. If so, upon death, his children would have gone to Heaven. So, their deaths were but a moment in time compared to an eternity with God in Heaven. God was quite aware of this. At least, this is how I take it. The losses Job suffered were replaced by God with twice as much as he had before. More importantly, Job’s story has served God for thousands of years. For people that go through hard times it has been a source of hope.

You would have to ask Him yourself if He would be happy if He did not have humans to worship Him. It is a silly question though. I hope you can figure out why.

 

[nmgauss]

A lot of people ask this, why does God allow suffering? In this case, why did God allow Satan to cause Job’s suffering? Here, you ask in particular why He allowed Satan to kill Job’s children. Job had no faults in his worship of God and in living his life according to God’s way for us. The Bible clearly states this. Now, if Job was living his life according to God’s commandments, then he raised his children to live in the same manner. If so, upon death, his children would have gone to Heaven. So, their deaths were but a moment in time compared to an eternity with God in Heaven. God was quite aware of this. At least, this is how I take it. The losses Job suffered were replaced by God with twice as much as he had before. More importantly, Job’s story has served God for thousands of years. For people that go through hard times it has been a source of hope.

So, it is alright to kill Job’s children, because then they could go to heaven, and Job would learn a lesson. Sacrificing the children was a cruel act, and yet God allowed that to happen. Does that sound like something the Christian God would do?

It sounds like the same God that killed most of humanity in Noah’s time because he was unsatisfied with his creation. God does not sound like a nice guy.

 

[Little_Star_1]

This is just a general observation. I am guilty of this too. What makes anyone think that they can go to one or two or three or four websites and from this derive an answer that they believe reveals anything of value or which even closely resembles the truth of another religion or people?

I like that old saying living and let live. What is part of another’s religious doctrine that differs to your own should not even break into your brain. It is silly and is against God’s will. Does anyone here think that God is not aware of all the different religions that call Him Father? Do you think He isn’t aware of each of these religions’ way of defining their truth regarding Him? If He is not moving, why should we?

Some will use terrorist activity as an excuse to differentiate the Muslim people from others. How many innocents have died as a result of the US drone strikes? Is the US really a Christian nation? We have killed four innocent people for every one terrorist we have been aiming to kill. So, does the excuse to question their alignment with our God hold out in light of our own nation’s activities? I don’t think so.

 

[Little_Star_1]

So, it is alright to kill Job’s children, because then they could go to heaven, and Job would learn a lesson. Sacrificing the children was a cruel act, and yet God allowed that to happen. Does that sound like something the Christian God would do?

It sounds like the same God that killed most of humanity in Noah’s time because he was unsatisfied with his creation. God does not sound like a nice guy.

You know, the time has come for me to say this. Your comments for the most part veer off into the land of ridiculous. You ask about things you obviously know nothing about. You take one or two quotes from someone’s book and come up with an analysis of that author’s intended message that is a shallow summation of the true message in her book. You know very little about what you say. When you know very little about something, you cannot possibly enter into intelligent conversations regarding it. And you have failed over and over in this thread to do so. Though you think you sound knowledgeable.

Only someone with very little understanding would come up with the conclusion you did in your last post. We, as men, do not set the standards for God. God does not have to worry about being a nice guy. He is God you silly silly person. May He have mercy as you have committed blasphemy big time. You don’t like the the way of things under God? I tell you what, go create your own world.

 

[Little_Star_1]

So, it is alright to kill Job’s children, because then they could go to heaven, and Job would learn a lesson. Sacrificing the children was a cruel act, and yet God allowed that to happen. Does that sound like something the Christian God would do?

It sounds like the same God that killed most of humanity in Noah’s time because he was unsatisfied with his creation. God does not sound like a nice guy.

By the way, the story of Job is also in the Hebrew Bible as well as being a part of the Christian Old Testament. It is also in the Qu’ran. So, it isn’t just the “Christian God” that it speaks of and it isn’t just the “Christian God” you have blasphemed. See what I mean? You know little and understand less.

But you did provide the opportunity for an excellent illustration of how close the three religions are in their concepts of God. God takes what is meant for bad and makes it good. That’s from the story of Jacob by the way. It is also in the Old Testament.

 

[nmgauss]

By the way, the story of Job is also in the Hebrew Bible as well as being a part of the Christian Old Testament. It is also in the Qu’ran. So, it isn’t just the “Christian God” that it speaks of and it isn’t just the “Christian God” you have blasphemed. See what I mean? You know little and understand less.

But you did provide the opportunity for an excellent illustration of how close the three religions are in their concepts of God. God takes what is meant for bad and makes it good. That’s from the story of Jacob by the way. It is also in the Old Testament.

I don’t know how it could be blasphemy when the story is in the Bible.
" And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee."
I am not aware of the recognition in Christianity that God has a cruel streak. That is my chief point. If God can encourage the slaughter of the golden calf worshippers and can sponsor Joshua slaughtering the Canaanites, why can’t modern Christians accept that God can be a tyrant when He wants to?
Does one blaspheme God when his actions are described in the Bible?