meltzerboy
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I, of course, disagree. I believe Jews have worshiped and continue to worship the same G-d as we did from the beginning, as revealed in the Torah, rather than fashioning a new god.
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MartinJordan
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The last thing a true Catholic wants to do is fashion something. Fashion fades, God however is everlasting!
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J_the_Centrist
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Growing up with Islam and Judaism within my own household as well as having read the Quran several times, I know you are wrong. Read it for yourself, you will find the same stories as well as the same prophets and Jesus and Mary are treated with only the greatest respect. As far as Muhammed’s behavior is concerned, one might compare him with king David, who as any learned Christian knows engaged in some unorthodox behavior himself. No I am not insulting David, just making a comparison.
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IgnatianPhilo
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David unlike Muhammad did not claim perfection and to be the perfect example. For the Muslim Muhammads actions are the standards and we know as Christians this is wrong.
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504Katrin
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Please explain this to me, I’m always curious about other peoples opinion
Where has a trinitarian G-d been present all throughout history? If this was the case there would be references to be found in the Torah, no? Would you kindly point them out to me?
If anything it’s the other way around. Christians found a new G-d (as Paul points out in his letters to the Hebrews), as they now considered Christ to be G-d also. Most Jews, however, stuck and continue to stick to their scriptures as G-d had commanded them to do. The Torah’s much older than the idea of a trinitarian G-d. I believe the idea came up a couple of centuries later.
But please explain to me your thought process in regards to your claim that the trinitarian G-d had always been present throughout history, as I’m afraid I might have missed something.
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aidanbradypop
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This is a wrong statement. Please research your claim. You misunderstand their belief. Thanks
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aidanbradypop
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Correct but they do not believe Jesus is the only God. They believe he is under the Father and not equal as neither the Holy Spirit. They are below the Father and the Father is the One True Being. My Aunt was a Oneness and she worshipped God not Jesus.
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J_the_Centrist
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[L=IgnatianPhilo;10386749]David unlike Muhammad did not claim
perfection and to be the perfect example. For the Muslim Muhammads actions are the standards and we know as Christians this is wrong.
Well, I don’t think I was saying that they were the same, I was just drawing parallels, that’s all. Yes, for them Muhammed is the stardard by which a Muslim should follow, especially for men. Yet, despite some of the “unorthodox” actions of Muhammed, Muslims have performed great actions of humanity over the centuries, some of which I have seen with my own eyes. Would I follow Muhammed? No, I follow Christ, but lets get back to the original argument of Muslims not worshipping the same God. The Muslims call us and the Jews “people of the book” and given the obvious similarities between our sacred scripture and theirs (same prothets, stories, etc.), at least you can say that we worship the same God. Is being a Muslim wrong? I don’t know? Did Jesus tell the Samaritan woman at the well that she was wrong? No, he told her that his people knew all about God, while the Samaritans knew part of him, yet he did not condemn her. I know what your going to say, she converted, well her being a Samaritan did not stop him from approaching her with compassion, which if you are familiar with the conflicts between Jews and Samaritans in those days you would know this was a radical act of compassion. She was also a woman, even his own followers were perplexed by this as this was not only unusual, it was unheard of to be talking to her like that, again he did not condemn her. Nor will I condemn Muslims, it is not my place to do so, also I consider them to be our spiritual brethren, which they are.
perfection and to be the perfect example. For the Muslim Muhammads actions are the standards and we know as Christians this is wrong.Well, I don’t think I was saying that they were the same, I was just drawing parallels, that’s all. Yes, for them Muhammed is the stardard by which a Muslim should follow, especially for men. Yet, despite some of the “unorthodox” actions of Muhammed, Muslims have performed great actions of humanity over the centuries, some of which I have seen with my own eyes. Would I follow Muhammed? No, I follow Christ, but lets get back to the original argument of Muslims not worshipping the same God. The Muslims call us and the Jews “people of the book” and given the obvious similarities between our sacred scripture and theirs (same prothets, stories, etc.), at least you can say that we worship the same God. Is being a Muslim wrong? I don’t know? Did Jesus tell the Samaritan woman at the well that she was wrong? No, he told her that his people knew all about God, while the Samaritans knew part of him, yet he did not condemn her. I know what your going to say, she converted, well her being a Samaritan did not stop him from approaching her with compassion, which if you are familiar with the conflicts between Jews and Samaritans in those days you would know this was a radical act of compassion. She was also a woman, even his own followers were perplexed by this as this was not only unusual, it was unheard of to be talking to her like that, again he did not condemn her. Nor will I condemn Muslims, it is not my place to do so, also I consider them to be our spiritual brethren, which they are.
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Gricken
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Yes they worship the same god. No they do not worship it the same way. This does not make him a different god.
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meltzerboy
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This is what I heard about some Pentecostals (Jesus-only), but I’m always happy to find out correct information. IOW Oneness Pentecostal refers to their unitarianism rather than believing only in Jesus.This is a wrong statement. Please research your claim. You misunderstand their belief. Thanks
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Razanir
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“Let us make man in our image”Please explain this to me, I’m always curious about other peoples opinion
Where has a trinitarian G-d been present all throughout history? If this was the case there would be references to be found in the Torah, no? Would you kindly point them out to me?
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aidanbradypop
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I once thought they totally rejected Christ until I asked my aunt about it. She set me straight lol.
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dzheremi
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Yes! Are Catholics on this message board seriously so confused about this issue as to refuse to stand up for the stated principles of their own faith? Yeeesh, the next Pope will have his hands full!
It is always and forever wrong to reject the divinity of Christ and the worship and glorification of the one Holy Trinity. It doesn’t matter if you call it Islam, or Judaism, or “Oneness Pentacostalism” or whatever you call it. All of these things are wrong, not as a judgment of their believers, but because they teach their followers to deny God. “No one comes to the Father except through Me” means exactly that.
It’s wrong to be anything other than a Christian. Commence the gnashing of teeth and accusations of “uncharitableness”, if you must; it’s the truth and people ought not shy from it. You’re not wrong as a person if you are not Christian (i.e., you’re not automatically “bound for hell” or whatever some denominations might teach; remember the righteous thief who was crucified beside Christ…something tells me he never took catechism classes), but you’re certainly in the wrong faith. All that which is not planted by the Father will be uprooted, and it is solid Christian doctrine going back to the beginning of our faith that every knee shall bow before Christ the Lord (Philippians 2:10-11). It’s just a question of whether you want to do it now or later. I would suggest that we all begin now.
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aidanbradypop
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This thread never asked if they were wrong, but whether or not if we believe in the same God. The Church has stated a clear YES so therefore I am not confusedYes! Are Catholics on this message board seriously so confused about this issue as to refuse to stand up for the stated principles of their own faith? Yeeesh, the next Pope will have his hands full!
It is always and forever wrong to reject the divinity of Christ and the worship and glorification of the one Holy Trinity. It doesn’t matter if you call it Islam, or Judaism, or “Oneness Pentacostalism” or whatever you call it. All of these things are wrong, not as a judgment of their believers, but because they teach their followers to deny God. “No one comes to the Father except through Me” means exactly that.
It’s wrong to be anything other than a Christian. Commence the gnashing of teeth and accusations of “uncharitableness”, if you must; it’s the truth and people ought not shy from it. You’re not wrong as a person if you are not Christian (i.e., you’re not automatically “bound for hell” or whatever some denominations might teach; remember the righteous thief who was crucified beside Christ…something tells me he never took catechism classes), but you’re certainly in the wrong faith. All that which is not planted by the Father will be uprooted, and it is solid Christian doctrine going back to the beginning of our faith that every knee shall bow before Christ the Lord (Philippians 2:10-11). It’s just a question of whether you want to do it now or later. I would suggest that we all begin now.
. Thanks for showing concern though. 
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Gricken
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Ignorance is only wrong if you willfully choose it. We do not gain converts by telling them how wrong and sinful it is to believe what they believe, but with compassion and truth. We do not condemn, we educate.Yes! Are Catholics on this message board seriously so confused about this issue as to refuse to stand up for the stated principles of their own faith? Yeeesh, the next Pope will have his hands full!
It is always and forever wrong to reject the divinity of Christ and the worship and glorification of the one Holy Trinity. It doesn’t matter if you call it Islam, or Judaism, or “Oneness Pentacostalism” or whatever you call it. All of these things are wrong, not as a judgment of their believers, but because they teach their followers to deny God. “No one comes to the Father except through Me” means exactly that.
It’s wrong to be anything other than a Christian. Commence the gnashing of teeth and accusations of “uncharitableness”, if you must; it’s the truth and people ought not shy from it. You’re not wrong as a person if you are not Christian (i.e., you’re not automatically “bound for hell” or whatever some denominations might teach; remember the righteous thief who was crucified beside Christ…something tells me he never took catechism classes), but you’re certainly in the wrong faith. All that which is not planted by the Father will be uprooted, and it is solid Christian doctrine going back to the beginning of our faith that every knee shall bow before Christ the Lord (Philippians 2:10-11). It’s just a question of whether you want to do it now or later. I would suggest that we all begin now.
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Razanir
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Yes! Are Catholics on this message board seriously so confused about this issue as to refuse to stand up for the stated principles of their own faith? Yeeesh, the next Pope will have his hands full!
It is always and forever wrong to reject the divinity of Christ and the worship and glorification of the one Holy Trinity. It doesn’t matter if you call it Islam, or Judaism, or “Oneness Pentacostalism” or whatever you call it. All of these things are wrong, not as a judgment of their believers, but because they teach their followers to deny God. “No one comes to the Father except through Me” means exactly that.
It’s wrong to be anything other than a Christian. Commence the gnashing of teeth and accusations of “uncharitableness”, if you must; it’s the truth and people ought not shy from it. You’re not wrong as a person if you are not Christian (i.e., you’re not automatically “bound for hell” or whatever some denominations might teach; remember the righteous thief who was crucified beside Christ…something tells me he never took catechism classes), but you’re certainly in the wrong faith. All that which is not planted by the Father will be uprooted, and it is solid Christian doctrine going back to the beginning of our faith that every knee shall bow before Christ the Lord (Philippians 2:10-11). It’s just a question of whether you want to do it now or later. I would suggest that we all begin now.
“CCC 839-841” said:
That’s not to say we don’t want them to convert to Catholicism, but we very much should respect them as our spiritual brothers, as we all worship the same God of Abraham, although in different ways
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