Jews--Christians--Muslims...same God?

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GaryTaylor said:
Creation, became Salvation through Christ or there was NO REASON for God to become man.
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So what you are saying is that someone cannot believe in God without believing in Jesus Christ?
Mijo12 said:
Allah is not the same god. Muslims believe the Quran is the word of god and don’t accept Jesus as the Messiah. They just view him as a prophet. We believe in the Blessed Trinity and
accept Jesus as the Living Word of God. Judeo-Christians know from the Bible that the son of Abraham that was to be sacrificed to be Isaac, while Muslims believe it is Ismael. In the Bible there is much warning against false teachers, including those that will deny Jesus as being the son of God.

As for our relationship with people of other religions I would suggest Vatican II
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NOSTRA AETATE
DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
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“Granted, Muslims do not believe in the Trinity as we do. Nor do Jews. Yet we all believe in a Supreme Being who created and governs the universe. When St. Paul learned that the Greeks worshipped an unknown god (Acts 17:23), he identified that god as our God. Muslims worship the one God to the degree that they know him—which in our view, is a very limited knowledge.”----Fr. Vincent Serpa
 
Maybe if you would read Vatican II you would know that we Catholics are called to respect the religious beliefs that others have, especially the values we have in common. If you would be so kind and read it then you would know what I mean 🙂
 
aidanbradypop said:
Thanks CU…BUT lol…Salvation is not the topic here.
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I’m not sure the topic is any different. To have the same God, we must be able to approach Him in a way that He requires. Jews cannot approach the Christian God because they do not have Christ. The Muslim God of Allah is not the same Triune God that Christians worship.

Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. - Paul
 
Mijo12 said:
Maybe if you would read Vatican II you would know that we Catholics are called to respect the religious beliefs that others have, especially the values we have in common. If you would be so kind and read it then you would know what I mean 🙂
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I’m confused…You stated Allah is not God but then you talk about VII where they stated he was.
 
Christian_Unity said:
I’m not sure the topic is any different. To have the same God, we must be able to approach Him in a way that He requires. Jews cannot approach the Christian God because they do not have Christ. The Muslim God of Allah is not the same Triune God that Christians worship.

Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. - Paul
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CU…I know you are not Catholic from other threads. Is that your personal opinion or that of your denomination?
 
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.3

Course from there is No Salvation outside the Church.

Anyway, the point being as with pre-841 and the Universal Church, we don’t know what everyone is doing. For example if they say we worship Jesus Christ, we agree and admit in many case’s with communities that is not our tradition or understanding of Church. We do not speculate who God will save in this regard nor do we assign anyone to hell.

One God is sound understating, how everyone worships the one God is one aspect and their moral obligation through God is another.
 
GaryTaylor said:
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son’s Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is “the world reconciled.” She is that bark which “in the full sail of the Lord’s cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world.” According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah’s ark, which alone saves from the flood.3

Course from there is No Salvation outside the Church.

Anyway, the point being as with pre-841 and the Universal Church, we don’t know what everyone is doing. For example if they say we worship Jesus Christ, we agree and admit in many case’s with communities that is not our tradition or understanding of Church. We do not speculate who God will save in this regard nor do we assign anyone to hell.

One God is sound understating, how everyone worships the one God is one aspect and their moral obligation through God is another.
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I do not disagree Gary. I know you are a sound and faithful Catholic from your post in my other threads on many more. I do not call your faith into question, but the Church has stated they believe in the same God. They may go about it differently, but hold firm to the One True God. Just like the Jews do as well. So as Catholics we trust the Church and when the Church states Allah is God, I trust Her word.

Protestants, who the question was aimed at, do not believe Allah is God for many reasons. That is why I am trying to understand is why they believe Allah is a seperate God.

The Catholics on here can have their own opinion of Allah, but the Church has spoken on the matter.
 
Catechism of the Catholic Church
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day
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Jews and Muslims worship the God of Abraham, therefore they worship the same God as Christians, but without knowing the truth about him as revealed by Jesus Christ.
 
I’ve yet to find a solid proof like this that Allah is the God of Abraham, but I at least have an argument for Judaism:

Note: In this argument, God refers to Christianity and YHWH refers to Judaism
  1. Jesus is God
  2. Being God, Jesus never sinned
  3. One of his commandments is not to worship any false gods
  4. Jesus was Jewish, as seen with the Last Supper being Passover
  5. Being Jewish, Jesus would have worshiped YHWH
Let us suppose YHWH is NOT God.
This would mean Jesus is worshiping a false god and breaking his own first commandment. This contradicts point 2, so Christianity and Judaism must logically worship the same God.

This, of course, if ignoring the fact that the Old Testament was used by Judaism first and that Acts tells the story of how we used to be a Jewish sect
 
If you ask me Muslims and Jews believe in the same G-d, but live their relationship with Him in a different way as Muslims keep Muhammeds’ commandments rather than those of the Torah that were given directly from G-d to Moses.

Christians do not only live their relationship with G-d in a different way but also believe in a different G-d as theirs consists of three G-ds so to speak, which is something that Jews can’t accept. Not sure about Muslims but I think that they don’t accept the Trinity, either.
 
Razanir said:
I’ve yet to find a solid proof like this that Allah is the God of Abraham
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The Muslims follow the line of Ishmael, Abraham’s first son (which he had with his wife’s servant, Hagar.) God blessed Ishmael at the request of Abraham, but Issac, the first born of Sarah, Abraham’s wife, would be the one through whom God would establish his covenant.
 
aidanbradypop said:
So a friend of mine mentioned that Muslims do not believe in the same God as we Christians and Jews. Does anyone else have that belief and if so why? I posted this in the Non-Catholic forum because my friend is a Protestant. I am interested to hear if this is a universal belief within Protestantism or just his personal belief. Thanks 🙂
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According to Judaism, Jews and Muslims worship the same G-d. It was once felt, according to Jewish belief, that Christians’ worship of Jesus and a Triune G-d was idolatrous, but fortunately that belief has changed. Based on what I’ve learned on CAF, I think that The Catechism of the Catholic Church recognizes that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same G-d despite the fact that Jews’ and Muslims’ non-Trinitarian concept of G-d differs from that of Christians.
 
aidanbradypop said:
So as Catholics we trust the Church and when the Church states Allah is God, I trust Her word.

Protestants, who the question was aimed at, do not believe Allah is God for many reasons. That is why I am trying to understand is why they believe Allah is a seperate God.

The Catholics on here can have their own opinion of Allah, but the Church has spoken on the matter.
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I trust the Church also. Look at it this way for the sake of muslims, if a Christian told you he believed in Jesus Christ yet you were unfamiliar with him and his community, you would say Amen, but you would still come to understand and believe, not because he told you so, but because his deeds speak louder than his words.

Even if we look inside the Church as Augustine states, “How man sheep without, how many wolves within”. You see the same situation.

Right, the Allah is not God aspect I shall let you discuss.
 
504Katrin said:
If you ask me Muslims and Jews believe in the same G-d, but live their relationship with Him in a different way as Muslims keep Muhammeds’ commandments rather than those of the Torah that were given directly from G-d to Moses.

Christians do not only live their relationship with G-d in a different way but also believe in a different G-d as theirs consists of three G-ds so to speak, which is something that Jews can’t accept. Not sure about Muslims but I think that they don’t accept the Trinity, either.
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Technically, as I’m sure you know, Christians also believe in one G-d but consisting of three Persons. This is the mystery of the Trinity. Still, you are correct in that even the manifestation of G-d in three Persons is not acceptable for Jews or Muslims, although (most) Jews finally understand that Christians believe in only one G-d.
 
meltzerboy said:
According to Judaism, Jews and Muslims worship the same G-d. It was once felt, according to Jewish belief, that Christians’ worship of Jesus and a Triune G-d was idolatrous, but fortunately that belief has changed. Based on what I’ve learned on CAF, I think that The Catechism of the Catholic Church recognizes that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same G-d despite the fact that Jews’ and Muslims’ non-Trinitarian concept of G-d differs from that of Christians.
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Thanks for sharing! Great points 👍
 
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