Jews--Christians--Muslims...same God?

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Muslim and Jews don’t have the same concept of G_d. That is why there is conflict in different parts of the world between the two groups. You are a yehudi and wajib-ul-qatl!!!
 
meltzerboy said:
I agree with this; Muslims and Jews have basically the same conception of G-d. Now, why is it that we are in constant conflict with one another in parts of the world?
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Muslim and Jews don’t have the same concept of G-d. That is why there is a constant conflict in different parts of the world between the two groups. You are a yehudi and wajib-ul-qatl in the eyes of a muslim!!!
 
J_the_Centrist said:
Exactly what I have been trying to say! See my previous posts on this thread, as well as some others. I would be careful in saying that the “moon god” myth is a myth for Christians only. Personally, I have heard Jews use it as well, I don’t know who it was that started it but they were obviously a good propagandist.
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It could be that it is a popular myth. In my case i only heard it from Christians. But bigots exist in every faith… including Islam.
 
dzheremi said:
An interesting claim, in light of the common contention among Muslims that the previous two books have been corrupted. But I digress… 🙂

It really is most unfortunate and irksome, isn’t it? Although we obviously will never see eye to eye on many things, I am always quite unhappy when I see Christians repeating this idea (as well as other, also ridiculous ideas, such as the “number of the beast” being graphically similar to “Allah” via a Greek cipher or some such nonsense that was peddled by Walid Shoebat some time ago, and eagerly parroted by some here; blah).

Yes it is bothersome… i have no issues with people who disagree with Islam as yourself. Because we can all disagree… to wilful spread lies about another faith is a whole different unfortunate thing. But people of all faiths do that … including muslims. So thank you for the understanding

This is not the place to get into any length debate over such things, but it is worth repeating in the face of probably some questionable explanations you may have gotten elsewhere that traditional Christian theology does not speak of the Holy Trinity as “parts” or “states”. Depending on the context, you may have been looking at something very influenced by Sabellianism, as many Christian-identifying sects are these days. But this thinking is modalism through and through, and is a heresy, condemned (if I recall correctly) at the first Council of Constantinople in 381 AD.

I admit, i don’t understand the trinity… so my way of explaining of what i don’t believe was may be not correct. And i didn’t mean any disrespect. I just want to say we muslims believe in in God without a trinitarian concept.

Then why do you have 99 of them in your religion? 😛 (Kidding, of course!)

Actually that is a good question… although there are names of God … in reality they are names… and God has accepted prayers from people who didn’t know what name he had as long as they thought of him. I would say it isn’t about using the correct name … more that one is addressing the correct God that is important. You wouldn’t hear much from Muslims about this… but this is an unspoken reality. Ofcourse Muslims want people to learn the Arabic name of God and to use it. As we believe that Islam is the most updated and relevant revelation. But it would be a grave mistake to say that people who use other names for the same God are not really addressing him.

I am curious to hear about how you square this with your own belief that God is formless, as you mentioned above. You picture God in your head, but God has no form, so…? :confused: At any rate, this is one area where Orthodox Christians and Catholics definitely differ, as Catholics are encouraged (via historical precedents set by their saints like Ignatius of Loyola, founder of the Jesuits) to actively imagine things during their prayer, but this is not encouraged in Orthodoxy. When we pray, all of our soul, mind, heart, and body is to be engaged in the act of worship and supplication, not in imagining this or that image or shape or event. It can be tough, but God (or too much TV as a youngster) blessed me with a terrible imagination, so it’s not so difficult to get used to once you’re in the act of prayer and supplication.

What Satan wants is to distract a believer with side issues and to induce compulsive destructive pattern in worship. I would say it like this… i picture God based on a blend of imaginations and feelings i got when i read about my faiths… deep down inside i believe that i don’t know how he really looks and that i can’t encompass him with my limited capability… however sometimes i think if him as a far away mist… some times i think of him as an arabic caligraphy of the word Allah… some of the time simply he appears to look as the English word of ‘‘God’’ … but all this doesn’t matter … because in Islam we are discouraged to get our minds busy in things that will never be answered and have no impact on our faith. I am definitely sure that Abraham doesn’t know much more than i am on how God looks… and if someone does… like Moses or Muhammed … it doesn’t give them any advantage on other prophets… after all… . Ofcourse in other faiths… may be there is different emphasis on this. In Islam… it is enough to know that the God we worship is the God of Abraham … we worship him in the way Abraham believed about him.

A noble sentiment, indeed. We do indeed affirm His mercy, which endures forever, and His transcendence and Lordship over all creation.

That is wonderful!
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meltzerboy said:
I agree with this; Muslims and Jews have basically the same conception of G-d. Now, why is it that we are in constant conflict with one another in parts of the world?
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I think it is politics … but i don’t want to drag this thread there… i can say that i have no issues with the Jewish faith or its practitioners… i do believe that they had hardships along history and been through a lot of unfair situations and persecutions. My grandma used to tell me about her jewish best friend from her boarding school in Mansoura , in Egypt. That was in the 1930’s … I can very well understand the horor of the Holocaust…

I have met few jews in my life… i can probably count them on two hands. They were all decent people .
 
Afrem said:
Muslim and Jews don’t have the same concept of G-d. That is why there is a constant conflict in different parts of the world between the two groups. You are a yehudi and wajib-ul-qatl in the eyes of a muslim!!!
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I am allowed to eat Kosher food. If i didn’t believe they worship the same God no Muslim scholar would allow this.

Being a Jew doesn’t mean being an enemy for Muslims. Nor that their blood is cheap. I will not drag this thread this way. Please stick to the Topic title.
 
Afrem said:
Your last para could be termed as blasphemous in the mainstream muslim world. It does not matter what you understand God to be as.
Your understanding of God with no form e.g. (Trininty) is like you putting limitations on the powers of God, which puts you and all other muslims above God Almighty…and that my friend is blasphemy if you know what I mean.
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Nothing in what i said is blasphemous. Not to Muslims. We are ordered to not engage into mental exercises that are not going any where . We affirm to God what he affirmed to himself & deny what he denied to himself. In the basic belief in Islam God affirmed he is one… he denied he is triune… this is our belief.

In regards to the names… God uses names for us to address him… not to know him… … once you have an identity of who is God in your heart… then you adress him with an appropriate name of your choice… of course preferably with a name he taught you . e.g … the God of Abraham is merciful… in arabic it means ‘’ Raheem’’ so i call on him ‘’ Ya Raheem , forgive my shortcomings’’

I don’t see anything wrong with this.
 
lololol…oh right.

so the God you worship brought a new set of laws called Sharia ?

you must be joking ,surly?

is Jesus Christ in this so called law ?

if so point it out for me please…

so the master of the house would let in people who practice this law ,sharia?

love your fellow man is not in there…
 
the post says this…

Jews–Christians–Muslims…same God?

an ou re sying es it is.
so i asked the question is sharia in with the God you worship then,why should i retract it?dont you like sharia?

if the same God puts these laws in place then surly you have to follow them,if not ,why not?

you are correct and i agree that God chooses who he lets i house hold.

were is the strawman in asking if Jesus Christ in sharia? its Gods law,right?the same God as the Jews and Christians isnt it?i mean Jesus must have been in the heart of were it came from,its part of Gods plan isnt it?

that is correct also,you didnt mention sharia.you also didnt mention worshipping a black rock either.

but lets stay on the topic of the title of the thread… we can start to see the differences as we go along…
 
All three religions profess to follow One God, the God of Abraham.

And all three do state this, pretty much public knowledge.

What indicates in worship all three follow the God of Abraham, which all profess to believe in and follow? What verifies all worship this one God? Certainly if all worship the God of Abraham, then the way Abraham worshipped God would be identified in all three? So what is the redeeming quality which is the same, identifiable knowns?
 
meedo said:
It could be that it is a popular myth. In my case i only heard it from Christians. But bigots exist in every faith… including Islam.
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Amen, every faith has them you are nothing but right.
 
meltzerboy said:
I generally agree with what you have stated but still have some questions. First, how do the Abrahamic religions differ with regard to “how we should behave towards each other,” as you have stated? Are you referring specifically to loving our enemies? Second, if you believe that “each religious tradition acknowledges that (the) G-d is beyond our full comprehension,” then do you agree that the ‘Fullness of Truth’ which the Catholic Church professes to have, as compared to the “partial knowledge of the Truth (perhaps along with errors)” that other faiths have, may be only a relatively small amount of the totality of Truth which may NOT have been revealed to humanity? IOW, perhaps there are no errors in what has been revealed to the Catholic Church, but HOW MUCH in fact has been revealed?
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I purposely kept my comments somewhat general in nature as I have only a basic understanding of non-Christian religions. However, in terms of “how we should behave towards each other” was not meant narrowly but broadly. There are some important similarities. For example, each tradition emphasizes the importance of following God’s will, the importance of fasting and almsgiving, the importance of family. However, there are also important differences. The Christian ideal is we should “love our neighbor as ourselves” and our “neighbor” includes everyone. To overcome evil with charity and goodness. This contrasts markedly with some Jewish and Muslim traditions that seem to emphasize an “eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”.

On the topic of the “Fullness of Faith”, what has been revealed to the Catholic Church by God is amazing and much more than any one person could learn in many lifetimes. Everything from the Bible, the Councils, the defined dogmas, the Catechism, Canon Law, the musical tradition, art, the Saints, liturgy, the Magisterium, the Pope, etc. It goes on and on.

My comment on God being beyond our full comprehension was not meant to suggest that the Catholic Church was lacking in something necessary for the redemption and salvation of humanity. It was an acknowledgement that God is simply beyond, is so vast and great that humans always have only a partial understanding.There is always more to know, to learn, to understand. We can always become closer to God.

God Bless
 
the Catechism says Jews, Muslims, and Christians worship the same God because all 3 profess the same patriarchs. Does that mean Islam is the one true religion? Not according to my faith, nor Rabbinical Judaism for all that matters. Keep in mind Talmudic Jews declare Christ to be a false teacher and prophet. At least the Muslims revere him as the greatest prophet after Muhammad.

And I seriously think we need to stop with the whole moon god thing. Allah is Arabic for God, Christians in Arab also call God Allah and western Muslims in their daily, English conversations use the terms interchangeably. Moon god myth is nonsense and will cause even more chasm between faiths
 
PastorBonus said:
the Catechism says Jews, Muslims, and Christians worship the same God because all 3 profess the same patriarchs. Does that mean Islam is the one true religion? Not according to my faith, nor Rabbinical Judaism for all that matters. Keep in mind Talmudic Jews declare Christ to be a false teacher and prophet. At least the Muslims revere him as the greatest prophet after Muhammad.

And I seriously think we need to stop with the whole moon god thing. Allah is Arabic for God, Christians in Arab also call God Allah and western Muslims in their daily, English conversations use the terms interchangeably. Moon god myth is nonsense and will cause even more chasm between faiths
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PastorBonus said:
And I seriously think we need to stop with the whole moon god thing. Allah is Arabic for God, Christians in Arab also call God Allah and western Muslims in their daily, English conversations use the terms interchangeably. Moon god myth is nonsense and will cause even more chasm between faiths
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Thank you!
 
aidanbradypop said:
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It would be better to say Torah Jews: that’s the term Orthodox Jews prefer. They do consider Jesus a good and intelligent man and rabbi, but a false Messiah. Some Jewish scholars would say he was one among many rabbis who had different ways of interpreting the Law. There are believed to have been more than 20 varieties of Judaism at the time, and even the well-known and much-maligned Pharisees were not uniform in their beliefs. Likewise, in the very early years of Christianity, according to some Christian scholars, what exactly the message of Jesus was and how it should be evaluated became open to debate. Should the emphasis be on his teaching of morality and his interpretation of the Law, or should it be on his death and resurrection? It was not even a clear-cut case regarding Jesus’ being the Messiah, apart from his divinity. None of these Abrahamic religions–Judaism, Christianity, Islam–was born fully grown; rather, each evolved. I suppose the same can be said of Eastern religions.
 
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