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504Katrin
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Thank you for taking your time to answer my questions.
Thanks for this nice dialog
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Thanks for this nice dialog
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aidanbradypop
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so sorry for not wording it the way you think it should sound doormouse. Also instead of believing however you see fit, go ask your priest if Muslims, Jews and Christians believe in the same God. I hope Fr words it correctly for your beliefs.
I believe you are mixing your own personal beliefs in with that of Church teachings. I hope that you can seperate the two to allow for a more clear understanding.
meltzerboy
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I would venture probably not, since the reconstruction of the Temple is a sign in Judaism of the coming of the Messiah (the first time) and the return to Torah Judaism in its entirety by all Jews, as well as the recognition of the truth of the Jewish faith by the whole world, without conversion being necessary, however. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t Muslims believe that Jesus was the Messiah, although not G-d, that he will return and proclaim the truth of the Muslim faith, at which point all–including Christians and Jews–will convert to Islam?
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Robin_des_Bois
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Yes.
meltzerboy
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After the return of Jesus, would Mohammed still hold his place as the greatest of the Prophets?
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doormouse73
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can you get to the father without going to the son ?so sorry for not wording it the way you think it should sound doormouse. Also instead of believing however you see fit, go ask your priest if Muslims, Jews and Christians believe in the same God. I hope Fr words it correctly for your beliefs.
I believe you are mixing your own personal beliefs in with that of Church teachings. I hope that you can seperate the two to allow for a more clear understanding.
“I am the way, the truth and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.” Jesus in John 14:6.
Only Jesus is Truth. Only Jesus is the way to the Father. Only through what He did on the cross is anyone saved.
if this is true,then from peter and all his successors must follow suite,is that right or has Jesus got it wrong?
that would be the trinity wouldn’t it?
but that is not a true God in islam. isnt it ?
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Robin_des_Bois
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Yes he would. And Jesus would be accompagned by the Mahdi, who is a descendent of the Holy Prophet.
meltzerboy
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“Only through what He did on the cross is anyone saved.” But what is the precise meaning of this? According to Catholicism, I believe, Jesus died for everyone on the cross, believers and non-believers alike. Thus when Jesus says no one can come to the Father except through me, might not Jesus have meant that through his death, he paved the way for all to be reconciled with G-d? This idea has been incorporated by the Catholic Church when she says that saving grace may be bestowed in a way, via the Church, known only to G-d and unbeknownst to us.
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doormouse73
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if this is your belief,then how can mohamed be the last prophet? because Jesus has returned after him.
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doormouse73
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thats why i put this first…
“I am the way, the truth and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.” Jesus in John 14:6.
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aidanbradypop
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Like I stated before…Go ask your parish priest and read your CCC. What if your personal belief kept you from believing in the Immaculate Conception? Would you deny The Blessed Mother that because you simply thought it was wrong?
Go talk to your priest and read the CCC on this matter. You can actually scroll back through the thread and find where it is stated many times. Do you disagree with the Church on this matter? Are you calling the Church wrong and your personal opinion correct?
meltzerboy
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'I am the way, the truth and the life." And what does this part mean? Jesus is the way, the truth and the life through his death and resurrection, as well as through his human life. His human life teaches us humans how to live according to what he and Christians believe is the underlying meaning of the Law, while his death shows the supreme sacrifice for us all and his resurrection shows that death is not the end of the life of the human soul, only of the flesh.
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dzheremi
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I’m confused as to how belief in the Immaculate Conception can be reasonably compared to belief in Jesus Christ being truly the only-begotten Son of God and the Savior of the whole world.
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doormouse73
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but i do believe in the immaculate conception. do you not believe in the word of God?go and read it from the holy spirit that inspired the gospels.and i do believe that man can be saved,any person.
but as you see the islamic God does not believe this to be true…
this is what i am pointing out,but yet your post are aimed at me for doing so.
i am a bit took a back when God changes his mind 650 years later to tell me that Jesus didnt die on a cross,no resurrection,God was not really his father. and then go on to say kill every body who is not muslim or subjugate them,or pay a tax to keep what ever faith they hold… is this the same God?surly not…
its they believe in a creator that is the point of reference…
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aidanbradypop
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I never said anything about Christ as the Son of God lol. I used the Immaculate Conception of Mary as an example of Church teaching that doormouse agrees with but denies the Church teaching of Muslims and Jews believing in the same God. You either except Church teaching in full or you don’t. You cannot pick parts that make you happy and dismiss others.
doormouse it does not matter how man changes God for God will never change. A Baptist will disagree with you on the nature of God so do you therefore discount their belief in God as well? The Church states CLEARLY the Islam believes in the SAME God as Christians. How the Muslims views God is completely on them. How they change God is on them. Do you understand what I am saying? You never answered my question. Is the Church wrong on this matter?
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doormouse73
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could you put up the CCC on this?
that means the catechism,right?
if thats the case then every person who holds any God as a creator they are the same ,right?
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dzheremi
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Yes, but the Islamic religion does, hence many Christians disagree with CCC 841 by virtue of Islam disagreeing with Christianity, rather than “picking and choosing” from what your church teaches. I imagine this particular disagreement would persist even if there was no CCC 841 (or even no CCC).
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aidanbradypop
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And if you completely disagree with 841 then I respect that. You are Orthodox and not bound by the Church or the CCC. You can disagree all you want, BUT lol doormouse IS Catholic. Big difference.
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doormouse73
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841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”
first of all it says these profess to hold the faith of Abraham…
not the Church says so …
i agree that they adore one God like the Christians and Jews…
but he is not merciful at all unless you are a muslim… non muslims go to hell.
hence the mankind’s judgement on the last days… a separation of muslims and non muslims.
is this the same God??
… it seams vague to me,very vague…
first of all it says these profess to hold the faith of Abraham…
not the Church says so …
i agree that they adore one God like the Christians and Jews…
but he is not merciful at all unless you are a muslim… non muslims go to hell.
hence the mankind’s judgement on the last days… a separation of muslims and non muslims.
is this the same God??
… it seams vague to me,very vague…
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Robin_des_Bois
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jesus will not bring a new revelation.
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