Jews, Protestants and the Latin Mass

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OK, so I am sure that this post is going to start a war of words, but here goes. I am SO tired of hearing how mad the Jews and the Protestants are over the reinstitution of the Latin Mass. If you have not read any of this stuff, check this out.

The big deal is that during Holy Week, the Church offers prayers for the Jews and the Protestants. Somebody tell me why we should not do that? The Jews rejected Jesus as the messiah, and they continue to do so. Why in the world would we not want to pray for them? The Protestants broke from what we all believe is the One True Church that was established by Christ. Since that break, millions have been lead astray by the heresy of the Protestant faiths…so again, why would we not want to pray for them?

The bottom line in this writer’s opinion is that the objections to the Latin Mass and the prayers for these groups are founded in the rank political correctness movement of modern times. “Oh, you can’t possibly tell someone that they are wrong when they are wrong…how judgmental!” The bottom line here is that the Catholic Church is the one Church established by Christ who was the messiah. All of those out there that do not yet believe that this is true need our prayers in the worst way. In fact, I am going to pray for them now. I am sure that my actions will make some overzealous PC nut job out there furious.

People, accept it. We are a part of the One, True, Divinely Instituted, Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. This Church was ordained by the One Lord Jesus Christ to serve at the pleasure of the Lord until his return. I think anybody that has yet to realize that, or has fallen away from it, deserves our prayers.

Cheers!

B
 
I do not understand why someone would object to what you have mentioned here. It is out of love that a Catholic would pray for the Jews or the Protestants. At least it should be. Just as it should be out of love that anyone would pray for any of their brothers/sisters.

The only thing in your post I found objectionable, was you referring to the “heresy of the Protestant faiths.” I don’t like it when Protestants refer to Catholics negatively either. It’s just one of my “things,” 😉
 
sadie2723 said:
OK, so I am sure that this post is going to start a war of words, but here goes. I am SO tired of hearing how mad the Jews and the Protestants are over the reinstitution of the Latin Mass. If you have not read any of this stuff, check this out.

The big deal is that during Holy Week, the Church offers prayers for the Jews and the Protestants. Somebody tell me why we should not do that? **The Jews rejected Jesus **as the messiah, and they continue to do so. Why in the world would we not want to pray for them? The Protestants broke from what we all believe is the One True Church that was established by Christ. Since that break, **millions have been lead astray by the **]heresy
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of the Protestant faiths…so again, why would we not want to pray for them?

The bottom line in this writer’s opinion is that the objections to the Latin Mass and the prayers for these groups are founded in the rank political correctness movement of modern times. “Oh, you can’t possibly tell someone that they are wrong when they are wrong…how judgmental!” The bottom line here is that the Catholic Church is the one Church established by Christ who was the messiah. **All of those out there that do not yet believe that **this is true need our prayers in the worst way. In fact, I am going to pray for them now. I am sure that my actions will make some overzealous PC nut job out there furious.

**People, accept it. We are a part of the One, True, Divinely **Instituted, Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. This Church was ordained by the One Lord Jesus Christ to serve at the pleasure of the Lord until his return. I think anybody that has yet to realize that, or has fallen away from it, deserves our prayers.
Cheers!

B

Perhaps it’s not the fact that prayers are being offered for them (us), but the lack of humility, kindness, gentleness and love the above post displays…just the opinion of one you label a “heretic” of course…and perhpaps an “overzealous nut job”…ahhh, feel the love of Chirst!!! How could we not want to be Catholic? The loving gentle way the RCC message has been delivered just sends shivers down ones spine…doesn’t it?
 
Perhaps some Jews and protestants see this as a condescending tone of the Catholic Church, sort of like a slap in the face, if you will. The Church does say, “We are the one True Church, for without there is no salvation,” but at the same time, we pray that all will join. We are not exclusive.
 
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Perhaps it’s not the fact that prayers are being offered for them (us), but the lack of humility, kindness, gentleness and love the above post displays…just the opinion of one you label a “heretic” of course…and perhpaps an “overzealous nut job”…ahhh, feel the love of Chirst!!! How could we not want to be Catholic? The loving gentle way the RCC message has been delivered just sends shivers down ones spine…doesn’t it?
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Yes, exactly. I have met some wonderful, amazingly loving Catholics. Many of whom are on this very site! But I have also met some who do come across as condescending, or superior, if you will.
 
Would people prefer that Catholics believe they are in the One True Church and NOT pray that people outside of that Church NOT convert?

Which is true charitable position?

To pray for the conversion of others to the One True Faith, or not to pray for their conversion?
 
KofC660 said:
Would people prefer that Catholics believe they are in the One True Church and NOT pray that people outside of that Church NOT convert?

Which is true charitable position?

To pray for the conversion of others to the One True Faith, or not to pray for their conversion?
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As I said in my first post, it is a very loving thing for Catholics to pray for others. It is a loving thing for anyone to pray for others. However, when a person comes across as “We are right and you are way off base,” then it tends to come across as arrogant as opposed to charitable
 
StacieAdy said:
As I said in my first post, it is a very loving thing for Catholics to pray for others. It is a loving thing for anyone to pray for others. However, when a person comes across as “We are right and you are way off base,” then it tends to come across as arrogant as opposed to charitable
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You are confusing “charity” with “tolerance”.

Charity isn’t necessarily tolerant.
 
My whole point in contributing to this thread:
  1. Protestants (or Jews or whomever) should not take offense to Catholics wishing to pray for them
  2. Catholics (or Protestants or whomever) should not come across as “Holier-Than-Thou”
 
KofC660 said:
You are confusing “charity” with “tolerance”.

Charity isn’t necessarily tolerant.
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4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

1 Cor 13

“Tolerance” can equal “to put up with grudgingly”…but love has so much more to offer than simply being not “necessarily tolerant”. And the part of “speaking in the tongues of men and angels…clinking brass and cymbals” and displaying in a less than charitable manner speaks volumes…love always protects the dignity of others…it takes a back seat…it shows itself in deeds…not judgemental attitudes and words…but that is just the opinion of this “nut job heretic”. Wow…“nut job”…“heretic”…wonder where those words fit into the passage of 1 Cor 13?
 
Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions. Did you ever notice those verses in the Bible where Jesus tells various groups that they are…well…wrong?

*23:13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye shut the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye enter not in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering in to enter. 23:14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, even while for a pretence ye make long prayers: therefore ye shall receive greater condemnation.

23:15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he is become so, ye make him twofold more a son of hell than yourselves.

23:16Woe unto you, ye blind guides, that say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor. 23:17Ye fools and blind: for which is greater, the gold, or the temple that hath sanctified the gold? 23:18And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gift that is upon it, he is a debtor. 23:19Ye blind: for which is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? 23:20He therefore that sweareth by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. 23:21And he that sweareth by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. 23:22And he that sweareth by the heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

23:23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye tithe mint and anise and cummin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law, justice, and mercy, and faith: but these ye ought to have done, and not to have left the other undone. 23:24Ye blind guides, that strain out the gnat, and swallow the camel!

23:25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye cleanse the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full from extortion and excess. 23:26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first the inside of the cup and of the platter, that the outside thereof may become clean also.

23:27Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear beautiful, but inwardly are full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. 23:28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but inwardly ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

23:29Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and garnish the tombs of the righteous, 23:30and say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we should not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 23:31Wherefore ye witness to yourselves, that ye are sons of them that slew the prophets. 23:32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 23:33Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of hell? 23:34Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: some of them shall ye kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city: 23:35that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar. 23:36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. *

Now that does not sound very tolerant to me. The bottom line here is that there IS a difference between right and wrong…and failing to stand up for that difference means that we are not living as Christ did. We have an obligation to do so. We have an obligation to pray for those who have departed from the faith or have never been exposed to it. When we fail to do this, we do NOT do what Jesus teaches us. I am sick to death of being told that when a man stands up for what he believes that he is intolerant. That is rubbish. The bottom line is that a man has a duty to stand up in the face of error and false teaching and proudly proclaim the truth of Christ.

Brad
 
sadie2723 said:
Now that does not sound very tolerant to me. The bottom line here is that there IS a difference between right and wrong…and failing to stand up for that difference means that we are not living as Christ did. We have an obligation to do so. We have an obligation to pray for those who have departed from the faith or have never been exposed to it. When we fail to do this, we do NOT do what Jesus teaches us. I am sick to death of being told that when a man stands up for what he believes that he is intolerant. That is rubbish. The bottom line is that a man has a duty to stand up in the face of error and false teaching and proudly proclaim the truth of Christ.
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No one here has said you are being intolerant. No one here has said that you shouldn’t stand up for your beliefs. You are correct in proclaiming the truth of Christ.

You are incorrect in referring to a Protestant as a heretic.
 
KofC660 said:
Protestants ARE heretics!
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I will embrace the word…I’m not afraid of it…it’s a good word…a powerful word…it has been shared by many good and faithful men and women of God.

As I said before…love has so much more to offer.
 
KofC660 said:
Protestants ARE heretics!
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That is a rude and uneducated generalization. We are ALL believers in the One God and the True Faith. Period. Unfortunately, everyone seems to think their way of living their faith is the “right” way, and it’s sick. We all love God, live for God and will meet God one day. (Those of us who are living our faith, that is)
 
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I will embrace the word…I’m not afraid of it…it’s a good word…a powerful word…it has been shared by many good and faithful men and women of God.

As I said before…love has so much more to offer.
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Agreed
 
StacieAdy said:
That is a rude and uneducated generalization. We are ALL believers in the One God and the True Faith. Period. Unfortunately, everyone seems to think their way of living their faith is the “right” way, and it’s sick. We all love God, live for God and will meet God one day. (Those of us who are living our faith, that is)
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The Catholic faith is the “True Faith”.

If you are validly baptized and not Catholic, you are either a heretic or schismatic.

Protestants are heretics.
 
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