Jihadists Seize Iraq's Nineveh Province!

[Seamus_L]

The Shia have proven themselves to be the more tolerant of the two branches of Islam in recent times. They have shown remarkable restraint in the face of countless murderous attacks by Wahhabists in Iraq, Pakistan,Syria, etc. Imams have generally speaking, not allowed there followers to conduct retaliatory attacks on Sunnis after major suicide bombings, and in the days immediately after the 9-11 attacks, only two places in the Islamic world saw mass vigil marches in support of the victims. Those two marches were conducted by Shias in Tehran and Karachi. The Shia also seem to be less aligned and controlled by the US government and Western interests, which I think is a definite point in there favor. That is not to imply, that living in a Shia dominated country would be any kind of picnic, but as Iranian born US political advisor and author Vali Nasr has pointed in his excellent book The Shia Revival. The Shia are the more tolerant of the two branches of Islam

 

[Tomdstone]

Do the Saudis know something we don’t, perhaps, in warning us off bombing ISIS?

They know that moderate Sunnis in Iraq are joining with ISIS because of disillusionment with the current Iraqi Shiite government.

 

[gilliam]

More than 1 Million Iraq citizens flee as ISIS coordinates with former Saddam supporters - edition.cnn.com/2014/06/20/world/meast/iraq-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 …

 

[Brendan_64]

Do the Saudis know something we don’t, perhaps, in warning us off bombing ISIS?

Should we trust advice from the Saudis? Their track record might indicate that we should perhaps use a very long spoon when supping with the Saudis.

 

[Ridgerunner]

They know that moderate Sunnis in Iraq are joining with ISIS because of disillusionment with the current Iraqi Shiite government.

They once joined with us. But we abandoned them, so they turned (it appears) to another strong force.

 

[Emerite]

I believe that our country should go 100% all out in fighting a war, or else stay out. We have the intelligence and means to assert ourselves, why go in halfway? The U.S.A. did well in bringing an end to World War II, and I well remember how our citizenry backed the military and government at that time. A good example of strong determination is the country of Israel. We should emulate them. In the meantime, I pray for the world peace and happiness that God (however one calls Him) wishes for everyone.

 

[Milasol]

But the power vacuum that currently exists on Iraq which has allowed the likes of ISIS to move in and take control over large areas of Iraq, enabling it to make a start on trying ti set up a Caliphate, has everything to do with the last Gulf War and how the West handled the situation aftetwards. The destruction of Iraq as a viable state has created a power vacuum which ISIS is trying to fill in an opportunistic move.

does the same power vacuum existed in Syria, Libya, Tunisia, etc?
Because they are one and the same with ISIS.
It is the Muslim Brotherhood.
Iraq was the next place they would go as they are not being successful in Syria.

They are not going to stop in Iraq. This is their desire and yes I’m sure war in Iraq didn’t help the situation, however once inside Iraq leaving suddenly would make it even worse.

 

[Milasol]

You might be right, and I don’t for a moment deny that there are a lot more Sunni in the world than Shia. But power does not always follow numbers. The U.S./Europe have populations around four times that of Russia, are vastly wealthier and have far superior armed forces, yet the west is watching Russia take chunks out of Ukraine with disapproval and doing essentially nothing about it. It’s Sudetenland redux and the west is paralyzed.

Iran, for whatever reason, does not have the high profile the Sunni terrorist organizations do. But it is far better organized, and, in my estimation, is much more crafty. What Sunni jihadi organization is anywhere near having nuclear weapons? What Sunni jihadi organization has IRBMs? What Sunni jihadi organization has close relationships with China, with Russia, with North Korea? Which of them has a navy, with submarines?
Which has a close government-to-government relationship with any Latin American country? Only Iran.

It doesn’t matter whether lots of Iranians are perhaps really Turkic in distant origin. After all, the majority of “Arabs” aren’t really Arabs either. The question is whether they identify themselves as the historic empire builders and whether the Arab Sunni regard them as the “rascally redheads” always feared and hated by Arab empire builders.

One thing is for certain. While ordinary Iranians might have a better view of the U.S. than nearly anybody else in the Middle East (and some sources say that) that does not mean mullah-governed Iran is anything but the enemy they say it is. So, only 22% support the mullahs? If so (and one wonders about that) one needs to remember that the Soviet Union was controlled by approximately 10% of the population.

It does seem to me the central question of the moment is whether the Iraqi Sunni tribal leaders think they’re in control of the situation or not. Is ISIS, in their minds, serving their purposes, or is it going to be their master in a situation over which they have no influence or control? Given that those tribal leaders potentially have far more men at their disposal as well as seasoned Baath and other army officers, who is the master and who is the servant? What’s the longer-term tribal Sunni view of this? Do the Saudis know something we don’t, perhaps, in warning us off bombing ISIS? Or are they being stupid, long-term, with one foot in the sacred soil and the other on the plane pointed toward Switzerland?

It’s difficult for me to believe nobody in our military or intelligence services has sufficient relationship with any of the tribal leaders to get at least some portion of the truth about the latters’ positions. Somebody knows the real story. Is anyone listening to them?

When your enemy hides among you, it is a hundred times more dangerous than when it is outside the gates wearing a banner.

There isn’t a Western nation where the Muslim Brotherhood has not infiltrated and gain tremendous power.
Iran is still outside wearing its banner. Their navy, military power are nothing in comparison to the infiltration of the Muslim Brotherhood. Just look at the appointees of this administration. Just look at the finances of this administration. Who does it support? The Muslim Brotherhood.

The United States only wishes it had an easy enemy as a bear outside to shoot. Instead it has millions of termites eating it alive and the big weapons are no defense against it.

 

[Brendan_64]

does the same power vacuum existed in Syria, Libya, Tunisia, etc?
Because they are one and the same with ISIS.
It is the Muslim Brotherhood.
Iraq was the next place they would go as they are not being successful in Syria.

And they weren’t successful in Syria as Asaad is a relatively powerful force. Iraq is a different scenario as it is pretty much a defenceless, almost non-viable state, now that we have pulled its teeth.

 

[Ridgerunner]

When your enemy hides among you, it is a hundred times more dangerous than when it is outside the gates wearing a banner.

There isn’t a Western nation where the Muslim Brotherhood has not infiltrated and gain tremendous power.
Iran is still outside wearing its banner. Their navy, military power are nothing in comparison to the infiltration of the Muslim Brotherhood. Just look at the appointees of this administration. Just look at the finances of this administration. Who does it support? The Muslim Brotherhood.

The United States only wishes it had an easy enemy as a bear outside to shoot. Instead it has millions of termites eating it alive and the big weapons are no defense against it.

You might be right, but I’m not yet persuaded that you are. Iranian infiltration in the west is very significant. atimetobetray.com/blog/iranian-commander-%E2%80%98we-have-infiltrated-america-and-the-uk%E2%80%99/

It’s particularly so in Latin America. gatesofvienna.net/2013/07/the-iranian-infiltration-of-latin-america-part-1/

I suspect they’re just more clever about it. One advantage they do have is that a very large percentage of Iranians are actually Indo-Europeans “racially”, indistinguishable, physically, from people of European descent. Because their language is Indo-European as well, it’s a lot easier for an Iranian to become proficient in English than it is for an Arab, whose language bears no resemblance at all to European languages. I have known Iranians whose English is flawless.

Ask yourself this question: Whose intelligence agencies are more proficient, those of Israel or those of Egypt? Population size does not determine proficiency.

 

[Milasol]

You might be right, but I’m not yet persuaded that you are. Iranian infiltration in the west is very significant. atimetobetray.com/blog/iranian-commander-%E2%80%98we-have-infiltrated-america-and-the-uk%E2%80%99/

It’s particularly so in Latin America. gatesofvienna.net/2013/07/the-iranian-infiltration-of-latin-america-part-1/

I suspect they’re just more clever about it. One advantage they do have is that a very large percentage of Iranians are actually Indo-Europeans “racially”, indistinguishable, physically, from people of European descent. Because their language is Indo-European as well, it’s a lot easier for an Iranian to become proficient in English than it is for an Arab, whose language bears no resemblance at all to European languages. I have known Iranians whose English is flawless.

Ask yourself this question: Whose intelligence agencies are more proficient, those of Israel or those of Egypt? Population size does not determine proficiency.

Hizballah can’t even begin to compare with the sunni muslim organizations.
I am from Argentina and we do have infiltration there. The gates of viena is a great blog and they can easily make the same assertions for the same region with sunni based organizations. However, none compares to the takeover of sunni based terrorist organizations in the West.
In every country of Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, most of Africa, other Latin American countries, the sunnis are running the show.
Yes, size has nothing to do with proficiency, but the level of infiltration of sunni based terrorist networks outnumbers those of shia terrorist networks about 20 to 1 and the power they have in comparison to shia it unreal.

Another reason why the Muslim Brotherhood is a much larger threat is because it is a western phenomena. It feeds from the west, it flourished from the west, it is taking over the west.
The most powerful nations in the world are feeding it. And most don’t even know it.
And don’t get me wrong one does not make the other a non-threat, however people are looking at the threatening dog outside and not the termites inside.

Lastly, we have in the US alone more than 70 sunnni based organizations, all linked to the Muslim Brotherhood. eg ISNA, CAIR, MAS, ICNA, etc etc

We have our agencies run by Muslim Brotherhood adherents,

We have appointees that are Muslim Brotherhood

We have been financing them and feeding them.

To further read you might want to look into investigativeproject.org/

The west is dying and without a single bullet. It is not someone firing at us but someone taking over us.

 

[Milasol]

And they weren’t successful in Syria as Asaad is a relatively powerful force. Iraq is a different scenario as it is pretty much a defenceless, almost non-viable state, now that we have pulled its teeth.

yes, that is true but they are also in Libya, Tunisia, were in Egypt, Somalia, Sudan, creeping in Northern Nigeria, Indonesia, Pakistan, etc etc…

It is not because there was a war there but because they are taking over the world.

In fact, that would be an argument why pull out of there so quickly and irresponsibly once the decision to go into iraq was made by both sides.

I was not in favor of it, but once in you can pull a strategy that will lead to this.

Each country in the Middle-East is falling to the same enemy. The Muslim Brotherhood fanatics. They are not just in iraq.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Hizballah can’t even begin to compare with the sunni muslim organizations.
I am from Argentina and we do have infiltration there. The gates of viena is a great blog and they can easily make the same assertions for the same region with sunni based organizations. However, none compares to the takeover of sunni based terrorist organizations in the West.
In every country of Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, most of Africa, other Latin American countries, the sunnis are running the show.
Yes, size has nothing to do with proficiency, but the level of infiltration of sunni based terrorist networks outnumbers those of shia terrorist networks about 20 to 1 and the power they have in comparison to shia it unreal.

Another reason why the Muslim Brotherhood is a much larger threat is because it is a western phenomena. It feeds from the west, it flourished from the west, it is taking over the west.
The most powerful nations in the world are feeding it. And most don’t even know it.
And don’t get me wrong one does not make the other a non-threat, however people are looking at the threatening dog outside and not the termites inside.

Lastly, we have in the US alone more than 70 sunnni based organizations, all linked to the Muslim Brotherhood. eg ISNA, CAIR, MAS, ICNA, etc etc

We have our agencies run by Muslim Brotherhood adherents,

We have appointees that are Muslim Brotherhood

We have been financing them and feeding them.

To further read you might want to look into investigativeproject.org/

The west is dying and without a single bullet. It is not someone firing at us but someone taking over us.

Let me say something about this. Whichever of us is more right, those threats are real. And the compliance and complicity are real. Personally, I am not without hope. But for one thing, we absolutely must oust from office everyone remotely associated with the Obama clique. It is entirely possible better people will do the right thing. Romney, for example, wasn’t perfect, but at least he didn’t delude us or himself about all of this. There are good people who, one hopes fervently, will take over this government and change things.

I remember the despair that prevailed when Jimmy Carter was president. It was truly awful. Obama is far worse. And yet, a better man prevailed after Carter, and this country had hope again.

It can happen.

 

[Milasol]

Let me say something about this. Whichever of us is more right, those threats are real. And the compliance and complicity are real. Personally, I am not without hope. But for one thing, we absolutely must oust from office everyone remotely associated with the Obama clique. It is entirely possible better people will do the right thing. Romney, for example, wasn’t perfect, but at least he didn’t delude us or himself about all of this. There are good people who, one hopes fervently, will take over this government and change things.

I remember the despair that prevailed when Jimmy Carter was president. It was truly awful. Obama is far worse. And yet, a better man prevailed after Carter, and this country had hope again.

It can happen.

I haven’t lost hope either. I don’t believe that evil triumphs over good, however we are in a battle. It’s not a Middle-East issue alone. It is violently manifested in other countries but we have the same infectious disease here as well. We have an administration full of Muslim Brotherhood.

For example right now we have hardcore Muslim Brotherhood leaders who were appointed by this administration:

Arif Alikhan – Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Mohammed Elibiary – Homeland Security Adviser.

Rashad Hussain – Special Envoy to the (OIC) Organization of the Islamic Conference.

Salam al-Marayati – Obama Adviser, founder of Muslim Public Affairs Council and its current executive director.

Imam Mohamed Magid – Obama’s Sharia Czar, Islamic Society of North America.

Eboo Patel – Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships.

There are dozens of others and if one scratches the surface of these one finds out that they are dangerous and hardcore Muslim Brotherhood implants within our mist constantly pushing for the Muslim Brotherhood agenda and interest.

But I don’t loose hope, however I do think it is different than when Carter was replaced by Reagan. The amount of wreckage that this administration has done and also the Bush administration (because of Bush we got an obama), is unreal.

Another matter of concern is of course demographics. At the end demographics always win.

As someone else said…“The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president.”

 

[Ridgerunner]

I haven’t lost hope either. I don’t believe that evil triumphs over good, however we are in a battle. It’s not a Middle-East issue alone. It is violently manifested in other countries but we have the same infectious disease here as well. We have an administration full of Muslim Brotherhood.

For example right now we have hardcore Muslim Brotherhood leaders who were appointed by this administration:

Arif Alikhan – Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Mohammed Elibiary – Homeland Security Adviser.

Rashad Hussain – Special Envoy to the (OIC) Organization of the Islamic Conference.

Salam al-Marayati – Obama Adviser, founder of Muslim Public Affairs Council and its current executive director.

Imam Mohamed Magid – Obama’s Sharia Czar, Islamic Society of North America.

Eboo Patel – Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships.

There are dozens of others and if one scratches the surface of these one finds out that they are dangerous and hardcore Muslim Brotherhood implants within our mist constantly pushing for the Muslim Brotherhood agenda and interest.

But I don’t loose hope, however I do think it is different than when Carter was replaced by Reagan. The amount of wreckage that this administration has done and also the Bush administration (because of Bush we got an obama), is unreal.

Another matter of concern is of course demographics. At the end demographics always win.

As someone else said…“The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president.”

I understand what you’re saying. But one has to remember that some very bright people do not blame the re-election of Obama on “the great unwashed” who thought they were voting themselves trinkets. Had those who consider themselves conservative all voted in the same numbers they voted for GW Bush, Obama would not be president today.

The ignorant will always be with us. But I am more concerned about those who, out of pique and, yes, pride, “sit it out” and refuse to fight against the destruction of this country. Because Romney wasn’t pure enough for them, the let the worst president this country has ever known be re-elected. Some even wanted Obama’s re-election, as they thought THEN the country would “wake up”.

During the revolutionary years in Russia, Lenin said “the worse the better”. In other words, the better for his movement the worse things in Russia got. It’s the same principle so many who despise leftism adopt when they refuse to resist.

 

[Milasol]

I understand what you’re saying. But one has to remember that some very bright people do not blame the re-election of Obama on “the great unwashed” who thought they were voting themselves trinkets. Had those who consider themselves conservative all voted in the same numbers they voted for GW Bush, Obama would not be president today.

The ignorant will always be with us. But I am more concerned about those who, out of pique and, yes, pride, “sit it out” and refuse to fight against the destruction of this country. Because Romney wasn’t pure enough for them, the let the worst president this country has ever known be re-elected. Some even wanted Obama’s re-election, as they thought THEN the country would “wake up”.

During the revolutionary years in Russia, Lenin said “the worse the better”. In other words, the better for his movement the worse things in Russia got. It’s the same principle so many who despise leftism adopt when they refuse to resist.

Never sit out. I am not one of those either. However, demographics also applies to the current onslaught of immigrants who do not come here for a better life but to bring this country to the level of the country they left.

I am an immigrant and know very well who is crossing the border and there will be a day in the near future when all Americans will wake up and be a foreigner in their own land. It’s not far at all. It is orchestrated like that.

I came in the 90s and started selling flowers in the streets of Manhattan in front of the Plaza Hotel. I used to wish I could enter there because it was so beautiful. I used to dress in my best clothes and just go inside to go to the bathroom. After 20 years I have now a degree in International Relations and have gone inside as a guest. That is what the US could do. Not talking about material gain but opportunities to change the world. I was intellectually ambitions and wanted to influence for the good. I did that without any government subsidy. Those were the kind of opportunities that this country had.

Now I see millions of people coming expecting to be fed. That is a tremendous danger. That is what the demographics of this country is turning into. And I find a group of people like that incapable of sustaining any nation. That is what I mean by demographics always win.

I’m still hopeful though and pray every day for this country and for the hearts of people to see how incredible sins are bringing in this type of evil, be that Islam. Islam is a threat, sunni and shia but it is more of a threat a society that has lost God. That is certain death.

 

[Jennifer_G]

I think so too. Maybe there wouldn’t even be a south korea today.

Nor would I probably be Catholic today.

Interesting fact -

My little sister is adopted from South Korea, and when she was 2/3 years old, a neighbor of ours was dayschooling her 3-year old, and had the neighborhood kids come over certain days of the week. Long story short, we wouldn’t have met/known our neighbor down the street (who’s Catholic), and she wouldn’t have asked my mom to rent a video out from the library (where I was working) on Mary - Medjugorie, which started my journey.

 

[Tomdstone]

Lastly, we have in the US alone more than 70 sunnni based organizations, all linked to the Muslim Brotherhood. eg ISNA, CAIR, MAS, ICNA, etc etc

We have our agencies run by Muslim Brotherhood adherents,

We have appointees that are Muslim Brotherhood

We have been financing them and feeding them.

Why are you financing and feeding terrorist groups? I recommend that you stop financing and feeding these terrorists since they are causing harm to innocent people.

 

[Brendan_64]

Each country in the Middle-East is falling to the same enemy. The Muslim Brotherhood fanatics. They are not just in iraq.

Yet the West seems to choose the ‘wrong’ side time after time as regards its ‘allies’ and ‘enemies’ in the middle-east. Iran, Syria, Libya, Egypt, etc and then we give tacit support to movements that include significant elements of such fanatics, and we seem to regard Saudi Arabia as an ally.

We seem to have a history of backing those who would seek to destroy us.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Don’t see any inclusive government coming. No Sunni in government means a continued support of Isis by the Sunni.

And troops as “advisors” is a slippery slope which in the past has led to war. Documented historic fact.