Jihadists Seize Iraq's Nineveh Province!

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The US backed Iraq government has been shutting down any access to social media such as You Tube or Google. This is the type of democracy(?) that American taxpayers have been supporting? One thousand billion dollars is a lot of money to waste.
businessinsider.com/iraq-blocks-twitter-facebook-youtube-amid-crisis-2014-6

PS. The US condemns Russia for having restrictions on the internet, but you can get You Tube and Google in Russia.
U.S. backed Iraqi government? Iranian-backed Shiite government, you mean. We left a long time ago. We’re out of it except insofar as Obama might choose to help Iran. Right now, he doesn’t know what to do.

Maybe somebody can get on YouTube and tell the Russians to get their tanks out of Ukraine then?
 
Leaving it with you all now. Be of good cheer. (insofar as you can)
 
Iranian Press TV is reporting that 1.5 million Iraqis have volunteered to fight ISIL. I think we’re going to see a major retreat by the Jihadists in the next several days. They advanced too quickly against virtually no opposition, now they will be facing a Shia army that has overwhelming odds in it’s favor.
 
Interesting read that relates to what people have been discussing here:

Obama, McCain and Maliki
The Blame for Iraq Is Shared

THE debacle in Iraq isn’t President Obama’s fault. It’s not the Republicans’ fault. Both bear some responsibility, but, overwhelmingly, it’s the fault of the Iraqi prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki.

Some on the left suggest that President George W. Bush is at fault because he invaded Iraq in the first place. Senator John McCain argues that the White House bears such responsibility that President Obama should replace his national security team.

Let’s remember that Iraq isn’t a political prop. It’s a country whose 33 million people are on the edge of a precipice. Iraq is driven primarily by its own dynamic, and unfortunately, there are more problems in international relations than there are solutions.

The debate about who lost Iraq is an echo of the equally foolish debate in the mid-20th century about “who lost China.” China wasn’t ours to lose then, and Iraq isn’t ours to lose today.

Read the rest: nytimes.com/2014/06/15/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-the-blame-for-iraq-is-shared.html
 
Iranian Press TV is reporting that 1.5 million Iraqis have volunteered to fight ISIL. I think we’re going to see a major retreat by the Jihadists in the next several days. They advanced too quickly against virtually no opposition, now they will be facing a Shia army that has overwhelming odds in it’s favor.
I tend not to take anything Press TV says seriously. They have been so wrong on so many things.
 
Interesting read that relates to what people have been discussing here:

Obama, McCain and Maliki
The Blame for Iraq Is Shared

THE debacle in Iraq isn’t President Obama’s fault. It’s not the Republicans’ fault. Both bear some responsibility, but, overwhelmingly, it’s the fault of the Iraqi prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki.

Some on the left suggest that President George W. Bush is at fault because he invaded Iraq in the first place. Senator John McCain argues that the White House bears such responsibility that President Obama should replace his national security team.

Let’s remember that Iraq isn’t a political prop. It’s a country whose 33 million people are on the edge of a precipice. Iraq is driven primarily by its own dynamic, and unfortunately, there are more problems in international relations than there are solutions.

The debate about who lost Iraq is an echo of the equally foolish debate in the mid-20th century about “who lost China.” China wasn’t ours to lose then, and Iraq isn’t ours to lose today.

Read the rest: nytimes.com/2014/06/15/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-the-blame-for-iraq-is-shared.html
Right. The USA can find a way to wash its hands of any responsibility for the mess it has created by invading Iraq under false pretenses.
 
ISIS, beheadings and the success of horrifying violence
The group overrunning Iraq wants to build a caliphate stretching from Iraq to Syria and beyond
Didn’t Russia warn the USA against backing the rebels in Syria?
 
Didn’t Russia warn the USA against backing the rebels in Syria?
Yep. Although the US wasn’t backing these rebels. The US was backing the secular rebels that were led by old Syrian army officers. There is speculation that had we supported them more, ISIS would not have took root in Syria.

All speculation right now, no one really knows.
 
I think we’re going to see a major retreat by the Jihadists in the next several days. They advanced too quickly against virtually no opposition, now they will be facing a Shia army that has overwhelming odds in it’s favor.
The Shiite militias will certainly help. They are loyal (to their militia leaders) and they are committed enough to sacrifice their lives. I am not sure that can be said of the Iraqi army.

However, the militias are not under unified command, and I imagine there are rivalries which could get in the way of joint action. Some of the militias are composed of combat veterans, but the mass call up of volunteers who have no military training is a bit of a wild card.

I hope you are right. I want to believe that the line can be held where it is today. But moving north, and reasserting control of the north is likely to be difficult. According to one analysis, ISIL’s strategy is likely be one of delay rather than advance.

A desperate race has now commenced for control of Mosul. ISIS has achieved its basic aim of shattering any rival political or military institutions on the predominately Arab side of Mosul west of the Tigris River. Now it will try to rapidly reinforce the city using its open road across the desert to Syria and other Iraqi districts connected via the western desert. With the government’s control shaky all the way to Baghdad’s northern suburbs, ISIS has a shot at causing so much disruption that Baghdad will not be able muster the forces to retake Mosul for months.

The Iraqi government has no choice but to try to liberate Mosul, due to its symbolic and geographic importance. Atheel al-Nujaifi, the Mosul-based governor of Nineveh province, took to the streets on June 9 when he narrowly escaped the ISIS takeover of his offices. Carrying an assault rifle alongside his security detail, he sought to rally Mosul men to form self-defense militias at the neighborhood level. But such militias do not seem to have mobilized. All across northern Iraq, the Sunni citizenry will need to see the government return in force before they risk being pounded by ISIS car bombs, which would be the movement’s first recourse if local resistance were to emerge.

With shattered Iraqi military units rallying as far away as Taji, a base on Baghdad’s suburbs some 200 miles south of Mosul, the government’s counteroffensive could be slow in coming. Baghdad’s soldiers now have to fight their way through a belt of lost cities and districts between the capital and Mosul, creating plenty of potential distractions, which will drain strength away from the government riposte. Special forces and air units are reportedly rapidly becoming exhausted as they are shuffled from crisis to crisis. The only military force in Iraq that is not presently overcommitted is the pesh merga, the Kurdish fighters controlled by the Kurdistan Regional Government, but relations between Baghdad and the Kurdish region are particularly strained.
theweek.com/article/index/263149/iraq-war-iii-has-now-begun
 
I can’t believe they got almost 1/2 a billion dollars from the banks in Mosul! Oh my gosh, think of what this group can do with this money!
I wonder if they were able to get money from any other banks in other
cities?

This is a complete disaster!
 
Yep. Although the US wasn’t backing these rebels. The US was backing the secular rebels that were led by old Syrian army officers. There is speculation that had we supported them more, ISIS would not have took root in Syria.

All speculation right now, no one really knows.
All we really know is that these rivalries that have run for centuries will live until those concerned love their own countries more than they hate each other. That is a socio-religious problem which war cannot fix, unless we want to become their babysitters for the next 1000 years or so.

All that happens when outsiders get involved is that people on one side of the conflict get the upper hand against their rivals. Then the side with the upper hand becomes the legitimate government and is free to terrorize its own citizens, while the losing side directs it’s terror activity outward (against those intervening) as well as within, and become the official “terrorists”. Far as I can see, using Iraq and Syria as examples, the only difference between the two sides is who they terrorize.
 
ISIS destroys 3000 year old Assyrian statues.ln.is/www.apsa2011.com/ind/5T4ia
The reports are that ISIS has captured huge amounts of American weapons sent to Iraq. These American weapons will help ISIS to attain its objectives. Unfortunately, it appears that the Americans have not thought out the consequences of delivering unsecured weapons to areas in Iraq or Syria which could easily be overrun by rebels. Actually, this whole Iraq thing was not planned very well. When you have a country consisting of Shiites and Sunni Muslims, it only makes sense to have a certain amount of power sharing and not have all the power in the hands of one group. A whole lot of money is being wasted in Iraq and in Afghanistan. Something like a thousand billion dollars. This money could have been put to much better use in the USA. For one thing, this money could be used to pay the tuition for college for many families in the USA who cannot afford the high price of a college education today, especially if they want to attend a Catholic college.
The Vietnam war, the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war are all looking like massive disasters and an enormous waste of taxpayer money. And of course, thousands of young boys were killed in battle, others come home with one leg or one arm, while still others suffer horrific psychological damage for the rest of their lives. Why does America want to get involved in these disastrous wars?
 
Didn’t Russia warn the USA against backing the rebels in Syria?
And, didn’t we warn Russia about backing Iran? In fact I believe they are helping build 5-more reactors, or at least mentioned this in the media as an apparent plan or progress. Why would listen to them? What your suggesting is you believe they were correct here?
 
The reports are that ISIS has captured huge amounts of American weapons sent to Iraq.
But Isis only has 2500 troops, all the rest are Sunni muslims who are not extremists. So then Isis really doesn’t have control of all these weapons? Or would you say its a fact Isis only will use these weapons and restrict the others? Also the Kurds took some of this back already?

Didn’t Russia promise Assad the latest technology of surface to air missles? I’m afraid you created a double standard.
 
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