Jihadists Seize Iraq's Nineveh Province!

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He said that the process of buying US jets had been “long-winded” and that the militants’ advance could have been avoided if air cover had been in place.
Yes, they might. Certainly it was air power which turned the tide in Syria. On the other hand, Assad had a loyal and effective army to take and hold the ground. I am not sure the same can be said for Maliki.

What jets that he receives, what condition they are in, and the ability of Iraq to maintain them, will be interesting to find out.
 
Yes, they might. Certainly it was air power which turned the tide in Syria. On the other hand, Assad had a loyal and effective army to take and hold the ground. I am not sure the same can be said for Maliki.

What jets that he receives, what condition they are in, and the ability of Iraq to maintain them, will be interesting to find out.
But don’t you think they will really be flown by trained Iranian air force pilots? That would certainly be my expectation. If Iran’s armed forces are going to be fighting to keep the puppet Maliki in place, there’s not much reason for us to donate our own materiel for it.

The Kurds have very good reason to think of us as poor allies, but nevertheless, we ought to make certain they are well trained and well supplied. The Christians left in Iraq are going to need someplace to go, and the Kurds welcome them. What a poor commentary it is of this administration that Kurdish Muslims care more about preserving Christian lives than does this country.
 
But don’t you think they will really be flown by trained Iranian air force pilots? That would certainly be my expectation.
Possibly so, since the Iranian pilots would be familiar with various models of Sukhoi jets. If so, I think Iran would try to obscure their nationality. I read at another forum that when Russia sent jets to Assad, they included both parts and mechanics. If the same thing is done for Iraq, that would probably solve the maintenance issue.
 
Ha, we are back to this today. :confused:

newsmax.com/Newsfront/obama-500million-syrian-rebels/2014/06/27/id/579579

President Barack Obama is seeking to bolster U.S. efforts to train and arm select members of the Syrian opposition, a move that comes amid increased U.S. concern that the conflicts in Syria and Iraq are becoming an intertwined fight against the same Sunni extremist group.

Obama sent Congress a $500 million request Thursday for a Pentagon-run program that would significantly expand previous covert efforts to arm rebels fighting both the Sunni extremists and forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad.
 
The Institute for the Study of War puts out a daily summary of significant incidents in Iraq. Here is what they list for the past 24 hours:

The Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) clashed with unknown gunmen (probably ISIS) near Tikrit University. This follows yesterday’s attack by ISF.

The ISF suffered a mortar attack in Samarra. Three members were killed and 25 wounded.

The ISF raided a compound near Salhia and detained 12 persons. The government of the city of Baghad is building road blocks and fortifications in the northern part of the metro area which will be used if attacked by anti-government forces.

ISIS and other groups clashed with the Iraqi Army and Iraqi Police in the Tamim area of western Ramadi. The IP and IA withdrew, allowing ISIS to take control of the police station. Reportedly, 12 Humvees, two tanks, four APCs and a large amount of ammunition were captured.

ISF, Iraqi tribes and possibly Shiite militias clashed with ISIS in Sadia, which is in northeastern Diyala province.

Four mortar rounds landed in Mahmudiyah, killing 4 and injuring 8. This follows a suicide attack and shelling which occurred two days ago.

The 17th IA division launched an operation in the Latifyah area of southern Baghdad, reportedly killing 15, including two snipers.
iswiraq.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/iraq-situation-report-june-27-2014.html
 
I don’t think this will surprise anyone, but the Kurdish leadership has now made an official declaration that Kirkuk is now part of the Kurdish region.

Massoud Barzani, president of the Kurdistan Regional Government, made the comments at a joint news conference in Erbil with visiting William Hague, British foreign secretary, on Friday.

“We waited for 10 years for Baghdad to solve Article 140,” he said, referring to the constitutional item which was meant to address the Kurds’ decades-old ambition to incorporate the territory in their autonomous region in the north over the objections of successive governments in Baghdad.

“Now its accomplished because the Iraqi army pulled out and our Peshmerga forces had to step in. So now the problem is solved. There will be more no more conversation about it.”
aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/iraq-kurds-rule-out-retreating-from-kirkuk-20146271440878594.html
 
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A U.S. official confirmed to CNN that armed American drones started flying over Baghdad in the previous 24 hours to provide additional protection for 180 U.S. military advisers in the area. Until now, U.S. officials had said all drone reconnaissance flights over Iraq were unarmed.
Using the drones for any offensive strikes against insurgent Islamic State in Iraq and Syria fighters would continue to require approval from U.S. President Barack Obama.

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Human Rights Watch discovered evidence that ISIS fighters executed between 160 and 190 people and dumped the bodies in two mass graves near Tikrit, Iraq, the former hometown of Saddam Hussein. “The analysis suggests that ISIS killed between 160 and 190 men in at least two locations between June 11 and 14,” according to Human Rights Watch’s report. “The number of victims may well be much higher, but the difficulty of locating bodies and accessing the area has prevented a full investigation.” Human Rights Watch was able to confirm the existence of the sites using satellite imagery and publicly available photos released by ISIS. The groups believes a third mass grave exists, but has so far been unable to verify that claim. “The photographs show one group of men lying in one trench and a second group of men lying on top of the first. A third group of men is seen lying in a second trench,” the group said. But the terrorists aren’t the only ones accused of wrongdoing in Iraq.

Amnesty International released a report Friday accusing government forces of “extrajudicial executions” of scores of Sunni detainees during fighting in the northern part of the county. “Reports of multiple incidents where Sunni detainees have been killed in cold blood while in the custody of Iraqi forces are deeply alarming,” said Amnesty International’s senior crisis response adviser Donatella Rovera, who is currently in northern Iraq. “The killings suggest a worrying pattern of reprisal attacks against Sunnis in retaliation for ISIS gains.” Rovera was very clear about what the alleged killings mean for the Iraqi government:
 
According to al-Jazeera and the AP, heavy fighting took place today between government troops and Sunni fighters. 21 government troops were killed and the government claimed “dozens” of the enemy. The fighting took place near Jurf al-Sakhar, which is in a mixed Sunni-Shiite region south of Baghdad. This area, during the time of US military presence, was known as the Triangle of Death because of the numerous insurgent attacks and the difficulty in pursuit.

Attacks in the Triangle of Death have recently become a daily occurrence. I worry this signals the beginnings of Sunni vs Shiite sectarian violence. GaryTaylor mentioned prisoners being gunned down on several occasions. Such incidents would add fuel to the fire.
 
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On Saturday, thousands of Iraqi troops backed by tanks and air power attacked Tikrit from four directions, state TV said.

It said there had been complete success in clearing Isis from the city, with some militant commanders among the 60 killed. It said the other insurgents there had fled.

Iraqi military sources said the offensive on Tikrit - the mainly Sunni hometown of former leader Saddam Hussein - was being co-ordinated with American military advisers.

However, although the US has confirmed it is flying armed drones in Iraq to protect US personnel on the ground, US officials say American troops are not directly involved in the hostilities.

I haven’t heard anything but Isis for days, the air power, drones and so forth payed off today.
 
Amnesty International released a report Friday accusing government forces of “extrajudicial executions” of scores of Sunni detainees during fighting in the northern part of the county. “Reports of multiple incidents where Sunni detainees have been killed in cold blood while in the custody of Iraqi forces are deeply alarming,” said Amnesty International’s senior crisis response adviser Donatella Rovera, who is currently in northern Iraq.
I don’t understand why the USA is supporting the current government of Iraq, whose forces are murdering people in cold blood? If the USA is really for human rights, it would be opposed to this. It seems to me that it would be better for Americans to spend money to promote peace instead of spending trillions of dollars on these wars which create so much harm and sorrow to so many people. BTW, how much longer are the Americans going to stay in Iraq? How much longer in Afghanistan? I see that now Mr. Obama wants to give $500 million dollars to rebels in Syria who are trying to overthrow Assad? Why not give this money to poor students in the USA who are struggling to find ways to pay for their college education. Catholic college tuition runs from $30K and much higher these days. How are Catholic families supposed to be able to cope with these prices? Billions of dollars spent for weapons in the middle east, and now we hear that many of these weapons, paid for by the USA, are in the hands of those who are not friendly to the USA?
 
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On Saturday, thousands of Iraqi troops backed by tanks and air power attacked Tikrit from four directions, state TV said.

It said there had been complete success in clearing Isis from the city, with some militant commanders among the 60 killed. It said the other insurgents there had fled.

Iraqi military sources said the offensive on Tikrit - the mainly Sunni hometown of former leader Saddam Hussein - was being co-ordinated with American military advisers.

However, although the US has confirmed it is flying armed drones in Iraq to protect US personnel on the ground, US officials say American troops are not directly involved in the hostilities.

I haven’t heard anything but Isis for days, the air power, drones and so forth payed off today.
The news media says that ISIS is extremist. But are they really? What about the Sunnis in Iraq who are not represented in the present government. Where would they turn to for help?
 
The news media says that ISIS is extremist. But are they really? What about the Sunnis in Iraq who are not represented in the present government. Where would they turn to for help?
ISIS isn’t extremist? Please provide your supporting evidence for this, in my opinion, rather uninformed position.
 
ISIS isn’t extremist? Please provide your supporting evidence for this, in my opinion, rather uninformed position.
ISIS may have extremists in charge, but there are moderate Sunnis joining the group as they protest the current Shiite leadership of Iraq.
“Factions of Iraqi Sunnis, particularly those in the east of the country, have taken up arms against the Maliki government over what they perceive as Baghdad’s sectarian policies. Some Sunni Arab tribesmen are fighting directly alongside ISIS, while others are using the militant group’s advance to target the government.”
aawsat.net/2014/06/article55333719
 
ISIS may have extremists in charge, but there are moderate Sunnis joining the group as they protest the current Shiite leadership of Iraq.
That is true
“Factions of Iraqi Sunnis, particularly those in the east of the country, have taken up arms against the Maliki government over what they perceive as Baghdad’s sectarian policies. Some Sunni Arab tribesmen are fighting directly alongside ISIS, while others are using the militant group’s advance to target the government.”
That is true as well.

Many of the tribes think they can get rid of ISIS after ISIS holds the territories they have concurred. That idea may or may not work out in the long run.
 
ISIS may have extremists in charge, but there are moderate Sunnis joining the group as they protest the current Shiite leadership of Iraq.
“Factions of Iraqi Sunnis, particularly those in the east of the country, have taken up arms against the Maliki government over what they perceive as Baghdad’s sectarian policies. Some Sunni Arab tribesmen are fighting directly alongside ISIS, while others are using the militant group’s advance to target the government.”
aawsat.net/2014/06/article55333719
Oh, well with that logic we would have to conclude that no the US wasn’t actually occupying Iraq. We did, after all, have Sunni and Shiite Iraqis and near the end whole Sunni tribes fighting along side us against sectarianism and terrorist groups (which included ISIS).
 
Oh, well with that logic we would have to conclude that no the US wasn’t actually occupying Iraq. We did, after all, have Sunni and Shiite Iraqis and near the end whole Sunni tribes fighting along side us against sectarianism and terrorist groups (which included ISIS).
The Sunni tribal leaders were allied with the U.S. Ayatollah Sistani did, at least tacitly, approve of the U.S. presence. The Kurds were with us. None wanted us to leave. But Obama did, so that was that.

I knew when obama was elected in 2008 that it would eventually be a jihadi/Iranian war over there. And so it is.
 
The Sunni tribal leaders were allied with the U.S. Ayatollah Sistani did, at least tacitly, approve of the U.S. presence. The Kurds were with us. None wanted us to leave. But Obama did, so that was that.

I knew when obama was elected in 2008 that it would eventually be a jihadi/Iranian war over there. And so it is.
-Yes, but no one seriously used the idea that some Sunni and Shiite tribes and leaders worked with us/approved of some of the stuff we did as support for the argument that the US really wasn’t occupying Iraq. The argument that ISIS isn’t an extremist organization because some Sunni tribes are working along side/approve of some of the stuff ISIS does/demands is as about as valid as the argument that the US didn’t actually occupy Iraq.

-We were already on the way out prior to the Obama administration. His administration just compounded the problem (leaving prior to actually setting the proper conditions) by leaving faster.
 
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Obama orders 200 more U.S. troops to Iraq cbsn.ws/1oiUlkt

President Obama notified Congress Monday that he is sending up to 200 more U.S. troops to Iraq to provide additional security to the U.S. Embassy, its support facilities, and the Baghdad International Airport.

The new injection of manpower brings the total number of U.S. personnel sent to Iraq to deal with the recent crisis to approximately 800.

“This force is deploying for the purpose of protecting U.S. citizens and property, if necessary, and is equipped for combat. This force will remain in Iraq until the security situation becomes such that it is no longer needed,” the President wrote in his letter to Congress.

The additional personnel arrived in Iraq Sunday and Monday and have brought helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles, according to Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby. He said there are also approximately 100 personnel prepositioned in the Central Command region moving to Baghdad to provide security and logistics support.

The president announced earlier this month that he was sending up to 300 military advisors to assist Iraq security forces in combating the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) in a non-combat role. So far, 180 of those personnel have arrived in Iraq to help increase intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance assets for the U.S.

Prior to that, he dispatched 275 military personnel to provide support and security to Americans at the U.S. embassy.
 
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