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ringil
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Oh I agree. They need to revoke any honors given by the Vatican and pronto!
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_Abyssinia
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Are they going to revoke it?
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SKWill
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An interesting thing I have noticed in the British media coverage of this story is they have begun to stop referring to him as “Sir Jimmy Savile/Sir Jimmy” – in recent stories on the websites of the BBC, the Telegraph and others., reporters are calling him “Jimmy Savile/Savile”. The UK would have to change its law to allow for Savile’s knightood and MBE honors to be officially revoked, but that apparently hasn’t happened yet.
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The_Scott
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The article states that the honor of having the knighthood disappears when the recipient dies. Therefore, it appears there isn’t anything the Vatican can do.
We’ll see what will happen. Certainly we should pray for the victims of this monster.
We’ll see what will happen. Certainly we should pray for the victims of this monster.
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Dale_M
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Yes, there is an established procedure for revoking honours, including knighthoods. The Honours Forfeiture Committee is charged with reviewing the evidence and making a recommendation. The Prime Minister then passes the recommendation to the Queen, who makes the final decision
gov.uk/nominate-honour/having-honours-taken-away
Yes, awkward, but perhaps necessary in this age of mass communication and social media. When the abuser dies, the memories of him do not, including the honours which he received while committing his crimes.
gov.uk/nominate-honour/having-honours-taken-away
Yes, awkward, but perhaps necessary in this age of mass communication and social media. When the abuser dies, the memories of him do not, including the honours which he received while committing his crimes.
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ringil
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The Vatican can do whatever they want.
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The_Scott
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I agree. When I said they can’t do anything, I meant by the written law. I’m just saying, de jure, there appears to be nothing to do at the moment. Purely from a legal standpoint.
Of course, this law can be rewritten or exempt. I’d like to see how the Vatican will handle this, and what reasons they’ll cite.
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Pork_Roll
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There were allegations that he was a pederast before this was given to him. Why in the world did they ever consider this freak for such an honor is beyond me. He’s like Sandusky, another monster catholic.
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ringil
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First of all JPII was awesome and saintly. I love John Paul.
I must say though, that one of the issues under JPII, seems to have been that needed “homework” wasn’t always done as well as it should have been.
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Brendan
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Actually, the Vatican CAN revoke it. What the article is referring to is that these orders to not fall under the category of peerages that are passed on to the oldest child of the person.
Some orders of knighthood, and most ‘landed’ titles pass on after the recipients death. The son automatically becomes Sir ‘X’.
This is not the case with the Papal orders.
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Dale_M
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A similar situation seems to exist with the Vatican honors.
Quoting from the BBC article listed in the first post
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SKWill
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There are some hereditary knighthoods in Continental Europe, but in the UK there aren’t any. You may be thinking of Baronets, who are styled in the manner of knights, e.g. the late Sir Dennis Thatcher, and whose titles are inheritable, e.g. his son Sir Mark Thatcher, the current Baronet Thatcher. (To get somewhat back to topic, I don’t know if a deceased baronet can have his honors posthumously forfeited or attainted.)
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Terry_Washingto
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Surely given the rumors circulating around Savile even in his LIFETIME, the Holy See should never have given him his papal knighthood to begin with???
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SKWill
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He should have been vetted better by the Church in the UK (not sure which bishop nominated him), but it appears the rumors, while well known in BBC/charity circles, were not properly reported to the police or the Church.
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