po18guy
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Good to see your post! I haven’t’ seen you here for awhile. Have we simply been in different threads? I pray that all is well.
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Mickey
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I don’t know if he spouts his anti-Catholicism in the study Bible…but he definitely teaches non-Catholic concepts.
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Mickey
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Thanks. I took a long break to catch my breath and mellow out.
po18guy
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First, and foremost, the 66 book bible is incomplete from both a Catholic and Eastern Orthodox standard. Secondly, protestant translations are made without universal Church authority, and there is not even a protestant-wide body which can test them for accuracy. Catholics and Orthodox are keenly aware of the subtle differences (a few not so subtle) that skew belief toward the protestant view.You mean the Jimmy Swaggart Study Bible as per OP.Guess some are unable to deal with their personal bias towards other.
In addition, if Swaggart is not trinitarian, the expositor’s notes will be harmful to a Christian of any flavor and must be condemned. However, I have no idea of what Mr. Swaggart actually means in his somewhat cryptic Statement of Faith for Jimmy Swaggart Ministries regarding belief in the trinitarian God.
I do note from the order of his beliefs that he apparently believes first in the bible as “infallible and authoritative”, and secondly, in God. I would here opine that, in contrast to God, the bible (as privately interpreted by the “interesting” ego of Mr. Swaggart) clearly affords him much greater lattitude in personal conduct.
po18guy
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I think we have all mellowed a little. Nine_Two has done an admirable job here in your absence. We need as many Orthodox members as we can get.Thanks. I took a long break to catch my breath and mellow out.
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Chafer_DTS
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That is a matter of personal opinion if one agrees with Saint Jerome’s OT Canon listing or not and how he defined the word canon. But that has nothing to do with this thread at all. It is about Swaggart’s study bible and it’s heretical doctrine.
It is worth noting that Eastern Orthodox has a larger Old Testament Canon than Roman Catholicism. The Orthodox Study Bible that I own and use list the Canon listing of Roman Catholicism, Protestantism and Eastern Orthodox in one of it’s articles. I include Eastern Orthodox and Protestantism under the word Catholic Church. The differences with them is that of schism.Basically he embraces tritheism which in itself heretical from our points of view. He several times made statements on TBN that each person of the Godhead is itself a " trinity with it’s own spiritual body " . It makes me shake my head .
He is a charismatic so he is not being forthcoming on what he believes. He embraces extra biblical new divine revelation kind of like weirdos like Ellen G White or Joseph Smith. And has this as equal to Scripture. So he does not hold to Sola Scriptura at all. He is a literal theological mess. His track record goes back many years. He was in fact excommunicated from Assembly of God a Pentecostal denomination over personal conduct issues. I do not wish to gossip about the specific details but I am sure you would be able to find information on your own about it. The only hint I will give is he has a sex scandel in his past. Just to let you know I have always have rejected the Pentecostal and Charismatic movement. There is far more order in a Roman Catholic parish than what one sees in a Pentecostal and Charismatic fellowship.
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Porknpie
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Every time I hear the St. Jerome canon argument I get really sleepy. :yawn:
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Chafer_DTS
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Hey but Roman Catholics use Saint Jerome for things too like the doctrine of Mary being the ever virgin. lolEvery time I hear the St. Jerome canon argument I get really sleepy. :yawn:
All is fair that each side can quote him on some things lol
po18guy
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God’s revealed truth is a matter of opinion? Certainly not! Some rhetorical questions: Why is Jerome the protestant’s favorite Catholic? Why is he is a Saint when he disagrees with the Church, and just another early Catholic when he agrees? If Jerome was an infallible Catholic regarding the canon, there must be others, right? Careful here!That is a matter of personal opinion if one agrees with Saint Jerome’s OT Canon listing or not and how he defined the word canon. But that has nothing to do with this thread at all. It is about Swaggart’s study bible and it’s heretical doctrine.
As well, why has the protestant world not assembled to test Luther’s opinion of what is scripture and what is not? Nearly all of therm disagree with Luther - some drastically. All protestants doubt that the Pope is infallible, yet, none of them doubts that Luther was infallible when proclaiming his 66 book bible. Very curious, that is.
Fact: Jerome was 100% Catholic, in communion with the Bishop of Rome, and deferred to the authority of the Church. His opinion was opinion, and nothing more. He is the exception which proves the rule. Neither he nor Luther were infallible. Neither he nor Luther had the authority to decide the canon - only the Church did.
As to the bible, here is a point to ponder: each and every heretical sect and cult, 100% of them, uses the 66 book bible as their source document. None, not a single one, has ever used the Orthodox or 73 book Catholic bible as their foundation. Why is that?
I ask: Did Luther open Pandora’s box?
If that is so, then he is far off the path, and in great need of prayer - as we all are.
As long as you do not reject the charisms, or the true, unifying and good fruit producing work of the Holy Spirit. I can attest to the amazing work of the Holy Spirit in my faith life. Supernatural things - but never any “new revelation” which changes the revealed nature of God. That is all of the evil one.
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tabycat
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Personelly, I would not recammend anything religionist by Jimmy Swaaggart. From what I have heard about him, he has been/is a bit on the slimmy side. The best you can do for him is to pray for him. 
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mexolic
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Many years ago I mentioned to my grandmother that I was interested in getting a bible.
She gave me a King James Bible, though slightly used. But she also wanted me to get confirmed in the catholic church. So why would she give me a Protestant bible? She’s
not with us anymore, so I’ll never know why. Perhaps some people think all bibles are the same. I’m an R.C.I.A. instructor and have explained to the class the difference between Protestant and Catholic bibles as best I can.
She gave me a King James Bible, though slightly used. But she also wanted me to get confirmed in the catholic church. So why would she give me a Protestant bible? She’s
not with us anymore, so I’ll never know why. Perhaps some people think all bibles are the same. I’m an R.C.I.A. instructor and have explained to the class the difference between Protestant and Catholic bibles as best I can.
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Chafer_DTS
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I most often cite many other church fathers. On this point his scholarship on this issue is most important as far as his specific qualifications are concerned. There are others who sided with him. But this is irrelevent to this thread.God’s revealed truth is a matter of opinion? Certainly not! Some rhetorical questions: Why is Jerome the protestant’s favorite Catholic? Why is he is a Saint when he disagrees with the Church, and just another early Catholic when he agrees? If Jerome was an infallible Catholic regarding the canon, there must be others, right? Careful here!
I have never met or know of anyone who thinks Luther was infallible. That is a misrepresenation and a half. I dont think even Lutherans think he was infallible. Just as you do not like Protestants misrepresenting Roman Catholicism please do not misrepresent Protestants in general and specifically Lutherans ( I am not Lutheran ) .
Of course you cite the church fathers and claim " tradition " whenever they side with you and disregard them when they disagree with you then claim his own private views. I agree with you that Jerome and Luther were not infallible.
It is noted Jerome was not alone on this issue. But again this is irrelevent to the Opening Post of this thread. It is about Swaggart and not the canon.That is totally false. Mormons for example use their book of Mormon plus Scripture. So they have more than Scripture. Same thing with Jehovah Wittnesses. They have their claimed inspired prophets too. The real hereticals are those that normally claim a " infallible church authority " as part of their rule of faith. I think it is best you know of sects outside of Roman Catholicism on knowing what they believe. Otherwise you end up making statements that are in error. But this has nothing to do with the OPENING POST. This is about Swaggart.
He opened it for the better. As the people of God now presently able to have individual copies of Scripture to read and personal use.
He is off the deep end. Worse and worse over the years in fact.
I just do not believe that the sign gifts are operative today such as speaking in tongues and so forth. The sign gifts ended in the early church. We have people like Benny Hinn who claim that God told him that " I am as much of an incarnation of God as Jesus " . This is extreme charismatic movement people saying stuff like this. Another example is some of them teaching that " Jesus ceased to be God on the cross and became one in nature with Satan " .
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Chafer_DTS
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Amen I agree with you.Personelly, I would not recammend anything religionist by Jimmy Swaaggart. From what I have heard about him, he has been/is a bit on the slimmy side. The best you can do for him is to pray for him.
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Chuck_Finley
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Actually, it’s not only for anti-Catholics, but for any Christian who would like to study God’s Word.
po18guy
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So, since Jerome is irrelevant, he was mentioned because of??? The bible states that Jesus founded a Church, not “early Church fathers”, right? Christ’s authority rests solely in the Church. The Church to which the OP belongs recognizes 73 books of scripture. That’s the point.
The 66 book canon, no matter the translation, is incomplete for a Catholic, who posted this thread! It is 100% germane.
Really? Joseph Smith began with the 66 book KJV. The LDS still use it. The pre-JW “Bible Students”? 66 books. The JWs use the 66 books. The Branch Davidians? 66 books. SDA? 66 books. Anabaptists? 66 books. Oneness Pentecostals? 66 books. Brother Branham’s sect? 66 books. ICoC? 66 books. This list will never stop.
Let’s check history: Johannes Gutenberg actually did what you credit Martin Luther with. In the century before Luther. The Gutenberg bible is a Catholic bible.
Back on topic: 66 books are improper and incomplete for a Catholic, Orthodox, or any other Christian who is seeking the fulness of God’s revealed truth. Word.
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robwar
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then why are you on this site if you are recommending Macarthur and swaggert?
The fact that Swaggert still has immoral issues is enough for anyone NOT to read his Bible.
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robwar
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Absolutely NOT! your father wasted his money. You do not need to be confused any further. Jimmy Swaggert is an immoral hypocrite. He think Catholics are not Christian. Swaggert left the ASG in the 80’s when he refused to continue to submit to that denomination’s authority over his sex scandals (which have continued). Tell your father to get his money back and return it.My father got me this Bible (cost him a lot, about $100) but I am confused as to whether this would go with Catholic teachings and the way I am used to reading the Bible (the Douay-Rheims) Expositor's Study Bible 05 edition (9780976953005) - Textbooks.com
That’s the Bible. My question is, is this Bible okay to read for Catholics? It doesn’t state which sort of Bible it is (KJV, NAB, etc) so I’m really confused.
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robwar
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are you serious?
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robwar
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Mary Ever Virgin is not an LOL. It has always been taught right from the beginning and from the earliest Christian writers. I learned about this from a liberal Protestant professor while a protestant. Both Catholic, Orthodox and Coptic Christians agree on this. Only protestant 1500 years later started to deny this doctrine. Are you on CAF to LOL on Catholic teaching or are you on CAF to learn and understand the Catholic church better?Hey but Roman Catholics use Saint Jerome for things too like the doctrine of Mary being the ever virgin. lol
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robwar
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You are on a Catholic site, why in the world would you even suggest a Bible that has commentary from a leading anti-catholic? he does not think Catholics are Christian and you are suggesting on a Catholic web site for Catholics to read his Bible? Are you serious?
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