Job's Daughters and Rainbow Girls

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A question was posed to me the other day: Could a person convert to the Catholic faith and remain a member of one of these groups? My understanding is NO, but then the person asking the question pointed to a member of our parish who is also a member of the Masons. I could not answer, I told her at that time, because I have no information as to why this person has not been approached about his being a Mason, and still a Catholic supposedly in good standing(he serves as special minister of Communion). Is there someone who can enlighten me? Thanks.
 
I believe the answer is No. You cannot fully embrace your Catholicism if you are in one of these Mason groups.

And what would be the point of staying in the group anyway if you are Catholic?

You mentioned that the person asking the question pointed out a fellow Mason in your congregation. Kindof like the finger pointing thing…well, he is a Mason and has good standing in the church.

Not sure Jesus would agree that this person still has good standing as a Mason/Catholic, that is a judgement call left up to God Almighty. But I do know that you don’t go to Heaven on someone else’s merits. Just because “Bob” has not been asked to leave your church doesn’t mean it’s right. “Bob” may think he is the winner in cheating the system since no one has approached him being a Mason. Ultimately, you cannot cheat God’s system.
 
Thanks for the confirmation as to what I believed was true. I am at a loss as to why this apparently good man of the parish is still also a Mason. I am thinking tho’ that it might be more for the comradery of the other men who belong, than for their beliefs. A somewhat humerous thing happened the other day - both the parish we belong to, and the Masonic lodge next door had rummage sales at the same time. This parishioner was going back and forth from one to the other, seeing where he could help.
At one point, he came in to say they were selling homemade pie and would any of us want to buy a piece. Another parishioner standing there immediately said “No, I don’t support the Masons.”
For a moment everyone was silent, then someone said “Now, now.” and everyone laughed, and went about their business. It was a moment that could have brought challenge, but it passed without anymore thought. Even I, who wanted to very much, did not think it was the moment to take up the gauntlet. Now, I wonder if or when, anyone will talk to that man about it.
 
And I would like to add: This man should be BARRED immediately from serving in the extraordinary ministers for Communion.

Pio
 
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Connie2:
At one point, he came in to say they were selling homemade pie and would any of us want to buy a piece. Another parishioner standing there immediately said “No, I don’t support the Masons.”
For a moment everyone was silent, then someone said “Now, now.” and everyone laughed, and went about their business. It was a moment that could have brought challenge, but it passed without anymore thought. Even I, who wanted to very much, did not think it was the moment to take up the gauntlet. Now, I wonder if or when, anyone will talk to that man about it.
There! You just got your verification that people are too accepting of wrong.
Suggest Knights of Columbus as this man’s social outlet. His soul can do without the Masons.
 
What is the deal with “Rainbow Girls?” My sister in law was one when she was a teenager, and it just seems strange. I have gathered from some of the things I have seen from it that it seems anti-Catholic… could anyone enlighten me further on this subject? Is it like masons for little girls, or something? I have read some information about the Masons and the group is obviously a wolf in sheep’s clothing!
 
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Connie2:
A question was posed to me the other day: Could a person convert to the Catholic faith and remain a member of one of these groups? My understanding is NO, but then the person asking the question pointed to a member of our parish who is also a member of the Masons. I could not answer, I told her at that time, because I have no information as to why this person has not been approached about his being a Mason, and still a Catholic supposedly in good standing(he serves as special minister of Communion). Is there someone who can enlighten me? Thanks.
Someone needs to 'buck up" and tell the poor guy, maybe he doesn’t know.
 
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What is the deal with “Rainbow Girls?” My sister in law was one when she was a teenager, and it just seems strange. I have gathered from some of the things I have seen from it that it seems anti-Catholic… could anyone enlighten me further on this subject? Is it like masons for little girls, or something? I have read some information about the Masons and the group is obviously a wolf in sheep’s clothing!
precisely that! It is a Masonic group for girls.
 
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Peace-bwu:
What is the deal with “Rainbow Girls?” My sister in law was one when she was a teenager, and it just seems strange. I have gathered from some of the things I have seen from it that it seems anti-Catholic… could anyone enlighten me further on this subject? Is it like masons for little girls, or something? I have read some information about the Masons and the group is obviously a wolf in sheep’s clothing!
I was a Rainbow Girl, and would have been a Job’s Daughter, because my Daddy was a Mason, as were several male relatives. However, there was no Job’s Daughter’s group around here.

The organization is, I think, silly. They have secret passwords, handshakes, etc., and those in office have to learn the “ritual”…

I never heard anything anti-Catholic…It seemed to be more of a social thing…very political, too. I don’t mean the group participated in political things, but that the structure was political…Who you were was important…

I would never encourage anyone to belong. My daughter went once, and that was that. She was smarter than I was!
 
precisely that! It is a Masonic group for girls.
FALSE. I happen to be a member of both Jobs Daughters AND Rainbow Girls, and i suggest you get your facts straight before you post.

Jobs daughters IS an organization for girls who are related to master masons. Over the years ive associated myself with many many many masons, and i can tell you that they are some of the Godliest men. Their entire organization is based upon brotherhood and Reverence to God.

Rainbow Girls, on the other hand, have no relation to the masonic fraternity, except that they may meet at a masonic lodge. In my assembly (as they are called in rainbow girls) i can tell you that i am the only girl related immediately to a mason. Basically, it is not a masonic youth group.

I will tell you, though, that the masons do so much for both youth groups. They support us in every way possible.
 
Jobs Daughters mixes religious and social aspects at their meetings. The religious part is based on the story of Job.

They sing some Christian songs and also have their own entrance song. The one good aspect is that it helps girls to learn how to be leaders and speak in public. They have activities for the girls.

Yes you must be related to a Mason to join. To me it is more social than religious, and there are also Jewish groups who belong to their own Jobs Daughters.

I think that the problem is why are the Masons so secretive about what they are taught. I don’t think, unless you have been a Mason, anyone really knows what goes on in their meetings.

I understand that at least some synods of the Lutheran church are also opposed to anyone belonging to the Masons or any of their affiliations.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
FALSE. I happen to be a member of both Jobs Daughters AND Rainbow Girls, and i suggest you get your facts straight before you post.

Jobs daughters IS an organization for girls who are related to master masons. Over the years ive associated myself with many many many masons, and i can tell you that they are some of the Godliest men. Their entire organization is based upon brotherhood and Reverence to God.

Rainbow Girls, on the other hand, have no relation to the masonic fraternity, except that they may meet at a masonic lodge. In my assembly (as they are called in rainbow girls) i can tell you that i am the only girl related immediately to a mason. Basically, it is not a masonic youth group.

I will tell you, though, that the masons do so much for both youth groups. They support us in every way possible.
My father was Grand Master and my Mom was Catholic. They were married in the Catholic Church. I was Catholic. All the Mason kids knew I was Catholic, but they treated me like I was one of their own, in spite of some of the means things I said about them at first. By their example they taught me to do better than that. The Masons also knew my Mom was Catholic, but in spite of that they saw to it that she was cared for all the years of her life after my father’s death. They would come by to see her, bring her meals and check to see that she was okay. They never once said a mean thing about her church or her. I learned all the things I know about being a decent man from my father and his friends at the Mason Lodge. Now if all Catholics and all Masons would act like the Masons I knew, that wouldn’t be such a bad thing. I bet you’re a very fine person too, so keep doing what you’re doing.
 
I believe the answer is No. You cannot fully embrace your Catholicism if you are in one of these Mason groups.

And what would be the point of staying in the group anyway if you are Catholic?

You mentioned that the person asking the question pointed out a fellow Mason in your congregation. Kindof like the finger pointing thing…well, he is a Mason and has good standing in the church.

Not sure Jesus would agree that this person still has good standing as a Mason/Catholic, that is a judgement call left up to God Almighty. But I do know that you don’t go to Heaven on someone else’s merits. Just because “Bob” has not been asked to leave your church doesn’t mean it’s right. “Bob” may think he is the winner in cheating the system since no one has approached him being a Mason. Ultimately, you cannot cheat God’s system.
They are not Masons. They are groups sponsored by the Masons and are open to anyone who wants to join.
 
Pio,

You look up Shriners Hospital, and tell me thats the work of the devil.

Di.
It’s a good work, I’m told, and if such, then well and good : but we are not judged merely by our works. If any group starts a charity, does that make it holy or good ? The charity may be called good, but not necessarily the ones who are organizing it ; likewise, good men may, quite unintentionally, start bad works or bad charities, which thing does not make them bad, for our works are only indicative of our wills, intentions, etc.

Now, have you ever considered that, while Shriner’s Hospital may be good, and because you believe it is good, you also suspect so must be the Shriner’s ; to return to my point, have you ever wondered if that is the whole point ? But you cannot know whether they be good or not, because you cannot know what they do or get up to or teach or study ; actually, you can know it, and if scrutinizing it in the light of Christ, you should find more than one point of concern as to why supposedly God fearing men would organize thusly, or dabble in such things as Masons do, or worse, profess the things Masons do, like blood-oaths and drafting their own sectarian Ten Commandments, then reversing back-and-forth about the seriousness of such things, as if anything claiming to be an oath or masquerading as Ten Commandments could not be serious for a Christian. But whatever you conclude, if you be Christian, then I hope you know that our Lord Himself is the Way, and the Truth, and the Life : not the Masons or their “craft.”
 
I grew up/was confirmed in a Methodist Church, and was an active member of Job’s daughters for about 3 years. I do not EVER recall ANYTHING being negatively said about catholics in any Job’s Daughters meetings. the meetings I guess are “secretive”, but you could check out the “ritual” in most libraries. I am very involved in the Boy Scouts right now (work), and I would compare the “ceremony” done with Job’s Daughters to be similar to some “ceremonies” I have seen withing the Scouts.

I don’t for one minute consider Job’s Daughters a religion, or anything that would compete or take away from christianity – any more so than I would consider Scouts to compete with christianity – both are faith based, but not a “religion” or “secret society”.

The meetings were fun, the outings we did were fun – just a youth group of girls, and a way to make friends.
 
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