Joe Arpaio: Barack Obama birth proof 'may be forged'

[Nec5]

Whether this is true or not, you certainly can’t trust the mainstream media to really investigate anything anymore. When was the last time you saw a real debate (that got into the specifics of things like abortion, homosexuality, the unemployment rate, etc) on Fox or CNN? Never. You get discussions about those issues but they don’t drill down into the underpinnings. For example, the social issues should have priests and rabbis debating these issues alongside progressives. Instead, we get talking heads or think tank reps. Or we get a pollster. That’s not investigation; that’s not getting to the core of the issue or real journalism. How about some everyday citizens? Nah.

And it’s okay to have fringe people on too. If their views are indeed cooky, the public will see that. After all, wasn’t “we report, you decide” the journalistic motto for a while? So much for that.

The same is true of this certificate issue. The press should have done an investigation and presented the evidence and analyses that show it is legit just as Arpaio’s press conference did to show otherwise.

I don’t even think it’s really a conspiracy either. It’s just a combination of group think, incompetence, political correctness, and the good ol’ boys club mentality. Only the internet gives a you a chance to get at real truth. And it’s no wonder the mainstream press wants to clamp down on that.

Reading the scripture is a cure for feeling down about all the manipulation. Seeing Paul directly call the Galatians stupid, seeing Christ denouncing people to their faces as sons of the devil, and reading the clear and uncompromising distinctions made between good and evil is refreshing in this age of don’t judge-pollyanna-get along mentality that has infected virtually every religious or cultural organization.

Finding the truth used to be the goal of journalism and to heck with the consequences. Those days are long gone.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

If he knowingly misrepresented himself to the voting public in order to qualify or even garner votes, he should be removed from office. Even if the deceit was for reasons other than his place of birth. If this is allowed to to go without recourse, we are setting a very dangerous precedent.

Forbidden topic.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

That isn’t likely to happen. The process of removing a President is impeachment. A Democratic US Senate won’t try Obama. Especially in an election year.

Or ever. Nor would a GOP Senate want to touch that subject.

There were no claims that Obama knew they were forgeries when posted or anything like that. In fact, Sheriff Joe specifically spelled out that he was not accusing the President of the crime.

Big nothing and even Arpaio isn’t going to make waves.

 

[seekerz]

…and the moon may be made of cheese, space exploration may have been staged in the Arizona desert (Hey, Arpaio, look into that will ya?) and there may be mind-control mini robots in our tap water…

Seriously, will presidents of future centuries be doing radioisotope examinations of the most talked-about long form birth certificate in history?

Somebody has too much time on their hands in AZ; get a life, get a calling, plant a garden, cultivate some supratentorial neurons…something to give this non-conspiracy a well-deserved rest.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Whether this is true or not, you certainly can’t trust the mainstream media to really investigate anything anymore. When was the last time you saw a real debate (that got into the specifics of things like abortion, homosexuality, the unemployment rate, etc) on Fox or CNN? Never. You get discussions about those issues but they don’t drill down into the underpinnings. For example, the social issues should have priests and rabbis debating these issues alongside progressives. Instead, we get talking heads or think tank reps. Or we get a pollster. That’s not investigation; that’s not getting to the core of the issue or real journalism. How about some everyday citizens? Nah.

Who would watch such debates? Who would judge the “debates”? TV knows what sells and what the public wants to see. And, guess when those “debates” would be shown on TV? Sunday mornings at 8:00 a.m.!

 

[Luna_Lovecraft]

…and the moon may be made of cheese, space exploration may have been staged in the Arizona desert (Hey, Arpaio, look into that will ya?) and there may be mind-control mini robots in our tap water…

Seriously, will presidents of future centuries be doing radioisotope examinations of the most talked-about long form birth certificate in history?

Somebody has too much time on their hands in AZ; get a life, get a calling, plant a garden, cultivate some supratentorial neurons…something to give this non-conspiracy a well-deserved rest.

 

[Nec5]

Who would watch such debates? Who would judge the “debates”? TV knows what sells and what the public wants to see. And, guess when those “debates” would be shown on TV? Sunday mornings at 8:00 a.m.!

Well, Glenn Beck, flawed though he was, got into some of it, and had very high ratings. Bill Maher wades into it with brutal forthrightness and does well too. Instead, we get all this politically correct blather that is put through a filter of homogenized thought.

The viewers would judge the debates for themselves and be better informed, which is what journalism is all about.

And if your contention is correct, then its all over anyway. The Mob wins. You may be right in that assessment.

But, of course that’s not what the news networks claim. They claim to be true journalists. You do not make that claim. I do not either. They do, and it is only right to criticize them for laying claim to that title. It is equally just for me to point out to my fellow man that they are frauds or at best incompetent.

 

[john_three_7]

You know what they say about conspiracy theroies, there is a a little truth in all of them.
I think by sealing all his past records he keeps the fires burning…You seal records for a reason…

 

[snowpea]

Distracting the country from the real issues is Obama’s goal, which is why we are talking about birth control, not the collapsing economy.

That is the problem in one sentence-thanks Scott

 

[LemonAndLime]

…and the moon may be made of cheese, space exploration may have been staged in the Arizona desert (Hey, Arpaio, look into that will ya?) and there may be mind-control mini robots in our tap water…

Seriously, will presidents of future centuries be doing radioisotope examinations of the most talked-about long form birth certificate in history?

Somebody has too much time on their hands in AZ; get a life, get a calling, plant a garden, cultivate some supratentorial neurons…something to give this non-conspiracy a well-deserved rest.

What I found was incredible was the said Sherif is being investigated for breaking the law himself. Something about a plank in someone’s eye comes to mind but I can’t quite remember. Ah well.

 

[BlindManWalking]

Let it be known that the reason Sheriff Arpaio initiated this investigation is because he, the Sheriff, merely acted within his role and duties as Sheriff- citizens brought forth a complaint with a petition to investigate Obama’s eligibility for being on the 2012 ballot in Arizona.

He did his legal duty and with a team of investigators arrived at this conclusion.

That he was being otherwise investigated (for a charge was made), it makes no more difference in the execution of his duties via his legal ability than a priest in mortal sin offering the Sacrifice of the Mass- may not be the least hypocritical thing ever, but it is still valid.

The issue in this regard is very much in line with legal precedent and duties per the office of Sheriff.

He has, through a valid and legal investigation, determined evidence of fraud and so a criminal case must be opened.

Similarly, in Georgia (if memory serves), Obama was investigated though I don’t know what the results of that were, or if it is ongoing. Arpaio received international coverage due to WND and just doing his job. He’s controversial, and such a reality makes more headlines than not.

The President is not above investigation as his position means higher standards, and indeed, standards were not met in 2008 for vetting the man.

If standards are met and he is indeed vetted and eligible, that’s a different issue for the voters to decide. The legality of his eligibility, however, is not in the purview of the voters to decide, but the Sheriff, and the Sheriff has raised some issues which bear scrutiny- whether anyone, including Obama, likes it or not.

Moon is made of cheese type arguments are just not within the scope of what is being discussed here as funny or snarky as they may be.

 

[seekerz]

Moon is made of cheese type arguments are just not within the scope of what is being discussed here as funny or snarky as they may be.

Everything is within scope of this discussion. If our president is a camouflaged little green man from Mars, people have a right to know. I’m sure the good sheriff would support me on that.

 

[LemonAndLime]

Everything is within scope of this discussion. If our president is a camouflaged little green man from Mars, people have a right to know. I’m sure the good sheriff would support me on that.

I’m 99% certain that being a little green man from Mars is the only accusation that naughty, naughty Obama hasn’t had yet.

 

[seekerz]

I’m 99% certain that being a little green man from Mars is the only accusation that naughty, naughty Obama hasn’t had yet.

Well if the proof is forged where else could he have come from? Any other country on this planet would have claimed the honor long ago.

 

[curlycool89]

That’s good to know. I still think Obama should stand or fall based on his merit and record, such as the HHS debacle, not the birther side-show (IMO). Win the hearts and minds of the people to earn elected office. Continually trying to do an end-run around the will of the people seems to cheapen the whole political process.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. Side-show is exactly the way I’d describe it.

 

[LemonAndLime]

Well if the proof is forged where else could he have come from? Any other country on this planet would have claimed the honor long ago.

Of course!

Another thing. He claims to be a Christian, but he doesn’t look… well, the only rational explanation must be that he’s a Muslim. But thank goodness no one has thought of that yet, it would appear embarassingly racist.

Although thinking about it, is there Muslims in space? Unless of course they’re illegal aliens. I’m here all night folks.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Let it be known that the reason Sheriff Arpaio initiated this investigation is because he, the Sheriff, merely acted within his role and duties as Sheriff- citizens brought forth a complaint with a petition to investigate Obama’s eligibility for being on the 2012 ballot in Arizona.

He did his legal duty and with a team of investigators arrived at this conclusion.

That he was being otherwise investigated (for a charge was made), it makes no more difference in the execution of his duties via his legal ability than a priest in mortal sin offering the Sacrifice of the Mass- may not be the least hypocritical thing ever, but it is still valid.

The issue in this regard is very much in line with legal precedent and duties per the office of Sheriff.

He has, through a valid and legal investigation, determined evidence of fraud and so a criminal case must be opened.

Similarly, in Georgia (if memory serves), Obama was investigated though I don’t know what the results of that were, or if it is ongoing. Arpaio received international coverage due to WND and just doing his job. He’s controversial, and such a reality makes more headlines than not.

The President is not above investigation as his position means higher standards, and indeed, standards were not met in 2008 for vetting the man.

If standards are met and he is indeed vetted and eligible, that’s a different issue for the voters to decide. The legality of his eligibility, however, is not in the purview of the voters to decide, but the Sheriff, and the Sheriff has raised some issues which bear scrutiny- whether anyone, including Obama, likes it or not.

Moon is made of cheese type arguments are just not within the scope of what is being discussed here as funny or snarky as they may be.

:clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Everything is within scope of this discussion. If our president is a camouflaged little green man from Mars, people have a right to know. I’m sure the good sheriff would support me on that.

ONLY if that is proven. If you have good SOLID evidence to back that up, Seekerz, PLEASE present it here by all means.

Arpaio (whether you accept that or not) presented evidence to support his theory at the press conference. Whether it is legitimate or not is up up to experts and other people to decide. And to us the public to decide as well.
If the evidence from his side is up for verification and to rise or fall on its own merit, so should yours. If you have evidence he is a “little green man,” then present it by all means. If false, it should collapse under the weight of scrutiny. If true, it should be held up under the same weight.

There ya go…

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Well if the proof is forged where else could he have come from? Any other country on this planet would have claimed the honor long ago.

Well, Seekerz, not that it matters…but many in Kenya have claimed that honor…of course, they either later deny it or later refuse to talk about it again due to the fact that they suddenly become “out of the range of the media,” like (let’s say) one of Obama’s aunts…
NOT that I would ever suggest that our government would ever engage in questionable behavior regarding the truth, of course…how Dare I suggest the government is trustworthy in all things----------paranoid, cynical person that I am…
Look it up in the internet if you don’t believe me…

Dismissing evidence simply without looking at it objectively and vetting it because you seem to think Obama should remain President in spite of ANYTHING he might have done (at least he is NOT Bush, right?) is very unfair and arrogantly dismissive, methinks.
And by the way-----------I am not saying this has been simply proven to be true…just that you dismissing this without studying it first apparently because of your preconceived notion is just very unfair.

Just my two cents…

 

[seekerz]

Well, Seekerz, not that it matters…but many in Kenya have claimed that honor…of course, they either later deny it or later refuse to talk about it again due to the fact that they suddenly become “out of the range of the media,” like (let’s say) one of Obama’s aunts…
NOT that I would ever suggest that our government would ever engage in questionable behavior regarding the truth, of course…how Dare I suggest the government is trustworthy in all things----------paranoid, cynical person that I am…
Look it up in the internet if you don’t believe me…

Dismissing evidence simply without looking at it objectively and vetting it because you seem to think Obama should remain President in spite of ANYTHING he might have done (at least he is NOT Bush, right?) is very unfair and arrogantly dismissive, methinks.
And by the way-----------I am not saying this has been simply proven to be true…just that you dismissing this without studying it first apparently because of your preconceived notion is just very unfair.

Just my two cents…

You might want to re-think engaging me on this topic. I cannot believe, after the “Kenyan” birth certificate forgery fiasco, any rational person would wanna even go there. Has any other president’s birth documents been similarly scrutinized? Would you rather I joked about Apraio’s little green men or called it as a blatantly xenophobic ideology of blind hatred, intolerable ignorance and venomous malice? I do imagine which choice might be preferable.