when we compare scripture to scripture, the bible speaks for itself, and so your explanation does not fit, and is not in harmony with the rest of the bible. Yet that is quite all right, we are commanded to continue in our reading of the bible for the increase of knowledge, for reproof and correction.
I need exact bible verses in order to show you how they all fit together. Thus far I have provided scripture, and clearly it speaks of “before the foundations” we know this is before creation because Gen 1:1 says in the beginning God created the heaven and earth[The Foundations]. So the Lamb slain “before” the foundation is a reference to before creation. Also, the bible speaks of the Lamb slain and so this must not simply be ignored. What I did was gather all the information, and draw a valid accurate conclusion from it. My teaching is in harmony.
Now it seems people don’t understand, or they ‘only’ understand the cross aspect of salvation, which is only a piece of the puzzle. Everybody that has tried counter this argument has only produced faulty wisdom from there own brain based on what they already know. And how will that fit into and explain something that is new and unknown. You are doing what so many before have done, and we all scoff at their stupidity, and that is trying to make excuses for and explain away something they have no understanding of because they ‘seem’ to have all the answers. And we look at these people and ‘we all’ say to ourselves, “why can’t you just be honest. Just say you didn’t know, whats the big deal” And so that is what is happening right now, I just presented scripture and you instantly have an explanation better than the teachers. That is very prideful, is it not? That will not be adequate to counter this argument.
So far, the verses speak for themselves. Can you produce a valid counter argument that does not simply ignore the verses I provided. If you cant include the verses i provided into your explanation then you do not have harmony, and you do not have the full gospel. Forgive me, I know this is a bold statement, yet consider the truth of it. If you discount a verse here or there because it does not fit into your idea of what you know as truth, then you do not have complete harmony do you, and you do not have complete understanding. That is a logical assessment.
So i only ask for you to explain a little better, including “these verses” as well.
Predestination is ‘clearly’ spoken about in the bible. It is a fact! and it is true! and it needs to be taken into consideration when trying to interpret scripture. If you can’t fit this information into your previous understanding of the bible then you do not have harmony, and must re-validate what you had always believed. I say this out of Love, because I was in that trap, and I found truth and it is God’s commission to go out and preach into all the world.
I am hearing that because the church has no hard and fast teaching on the Lamb slain, or predestination, then any teaching outside the church must be considered as heresy. Yet consider the word heresy, am I denying Christ, am I preaching a different book other than the one written by God? No, I am not, so then it must be false right. Well that argument is a false argument and implies that instead of “listening” to the word of God, I should listen to the church, well consider the fact that the church has no teaching on the subjects. Well who has more authority, the word of God, or the church. If you believe in the word of God, as being from the word of God, then that is your ultimate authority and so I took verses from the word of God and applied them and they are in harmony and can be understood. What I did not do, is make up something like purgatory to explain certain aspects of the bible into a false harmony. There is a difference, one is from the bible, and the other is from a different book. Again, who is the ultimate authority, the word of God, or the word of Man because no where in the bible is purgatory even mentioned, and unless you ‘do not’ understand what a parable is, you would create something ‘made up’ and ‘false’ like purgatory.
What I just presented, does not in any way imply a lesser degree of importance on the Passion, however it does imply that Christ has already been under the wrath of God, which is spiritual death, before God created the heaven and earth; that all the work was done before God created the heaven and earth and so this is why Enoch, who was only the ‘7th’ from Adam could have been “TAKEN” by God. Because Enoch’s sin had “ALREADY” been paid for. This is why the story is there, even so early as to be placed in Genesis. You do not need purgatory to explain this, you do not need to work out a way around “all men are born of original sin”. It all connects. The Lamb was killed, all those whose names are written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain before the foundations, there sins have been paid for; so Enoch heard the word of God, became saved, because faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, and was a righteous man whom walked with God and “who was, and was not”. No unnecessary words or explanations, it is what it is; we can not try explain God, we can only learn from the information provided. It fits. Don’t over explain it, don’t add something to it, don’t take anything away from it. It is harmony. Complete understanding.
This is so important to finally realize because then we can harmonize the old testament sacrifices and covenants and assumptions of Enoch and Elijah and understand how they actually all fit together. With complete harmony we can say that in the Book of Numbers[wanderings] when Moses lead Israel in the wilderness, Moses struck the rock. Now this is all parables, and the rock is a picture of Christ, Christ is the rock[do you see] the water is a picture of His sacrifice and of His “spilled” blood[do you see]. It was not the rock and the water that was of importance to God, it is spiritual salvation, God wants to save Israel, and uses parables such as the rock, to point to the spiritual salvation that is Christ. And so when Moses struck the rock twice, it was like killing Christ twice. “Thou shall not leave thy soul in Hades, or see corruption”[during the time of the cross, because Christ had already died once, this proved His awesomeness, yet it is sad nobody will recognize it] for this reason Moses was not allowed into the Promised land, Moses broke the commandment given by God to him. It is a parable, a picture pointing to the sacrifice of the Lamb slain.
