John Hagee............Do I even need to say anything?

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Well I am posting about Hagee again, hes saying that the Roman Church wanted to kill all Jewish people and that the Babylon cult formed when Christianity was made legal in the state again…

Watch this one, maybe we should do something about it.
 
I have seen him raving on TV. Just another idiot with his own show. I am often amused how they all seem to have doctorates and claim to be educated. It certainly doesn’t show.
 
If you can find his latest please watch it, its along the lines of Hunts babylon mystery religion and Christianity mixed in theme that he does so well. How the Roman church wants to remove the Jews.

Also he went after Martin Luther as an anti-Jewish figure.
 
Hello All,
Well I am a long time Catholic and wish I could say cradle but I was brought into the Church founded by Christ almost 30 years ago. And I am somewhat of a devotee of Hagee. I watch his show about everyday and his Sunday shows. I admire his enthusiasm but deplore his theology.
He is a carved in stone dispensationalist. He believes every anti-catholic b.s. that goes around. His history both world and Catholic is deeply flawed and overshadowed by the aforementioned dispensationalism (“d.”). And if you know anything about “d.” you know how anti-catholic it is. Yes I saw the service where he claims the crusades where nothing more than the Pope’s personal Catholic army on a mission to slaughter Jews. He even believes and perpetuates the old lies about Hitler being Catholic. And the lies about “Hitlers Pope”.
But do something? I agree totally! I have sent him letters, and e-mails, recommended clear honest history books, I have even pointed out scriptures to him.
I have never gotten a reply. Although in one of his sermons he did specifically say not to send him any letters he never reads them.
But Boxer you live in Texas have you tried to get a local paper interested in telling the truth about the Church and Hagee’s lies?
Or complained to the Bishop? I bet if you have they all just smiled, nodded their heads and showed you the door.
I for one agree with Saint Paul and daily contending for the faith. I tend to find my fellow Catholics are a bit timid when it comes to confronting what amount to liars and propogandists. We as the Church and body of Christ could stand to be a bit more forcefull in the defense of the one true Church and Faith.
Sorry for the run on I tend to get a bit militant. And Hagee is not the worst of them either. Check out Rod Parsley or about anyone on TBN. If you want truely twisted doctrine watch Copeland or Paula White. Very very strange.
And again we should stand up to them and tell them and show them by scripture how foolish they are:mad:
 
I don’t think these TV entertainment preachers are the worst of it. I grew up in TX and have known many of these fundamentalists personally, and even been one myself for a spell. What you hear from the bumpkin on the street is FAR more alarming than what you hear from these fat guys on TV.

But there’s nothing that can be done about it. All Catholics can do is stay calm, speak up when challenged, know their faith as well as possible, and let this cultural thing run its course. It’s probably going to get a lot worse before it gets better, but ultimately most of these blowhards will self-destruct.
 
Also he went after Martin Luther as an anti-Jewish figure.
I guess he finds fault with everyone for one reason or another.:rolleyes:

He did say one thing I agreed with. He was talking about how some people claim that Islam is a sister faith to Christianity. He showed a picture of that big Mosque with the gold dome roof. He pointed to the Arabic writing on it an explained that it said something about God not having a son. He then said that as long as Islam rejects Jesus as being the son of God, they couldn’t be considered a sister religion to Christianity.
 
I have difficulty tolerating anyone who is supposed to preaching Christianity who spits and snarls and screams in the camera and pounds their fist and sweats 10 gallons every single sermon. Enthusiasm fine. That kind of anger? Not fine.
 
Also he went after Martin Luther as an anti-Jewish figure.
Well, about this one fact, he is right. (Lutherans,please, dinnae bother to attack, until you do a little research on the subject).

Hagee…Well, I tell you. I used to like some of what he had to say. Then it all turned into a rant about this, that, & the other, especially Catholics, but not exclusively so…
I really kind of think that he is what my grandmother would have called “a little:whacky: tetched in his:whacky: upper works”…
 
Well, about this one fact, he is right. (Lutherans,please, dinnae bother to attack, until you do a little research on the subject).

Hagee…Well, I tell you. I used to like some of what he had to say. Then it all turned into a rant about this, that, & the other, especially Catholics, but not exclusively so…
I really kind of think that he is what my grandmother would have called “a little:whacky: tetched in his:whacky: upper works”…
I know Luther was anti-semitic. I’ve seen some of his anti-semitic quotes. It’s embarassing to some degree to say I come from a Lutheran background for that reason. Luther plays only a minor role in modern Protestantism. Jesus still takes center stage.

Nobody can really be Christian and hate Jews. Nothing in this world is more Jewish than the idea that the Tanakh prophecies concerning Messiah have come true. Luther was too foolish to realise this. How can one hate Jews, while worshipping the Jewish Messiah?

But I can’t help but to like some aspects of Luther in spite of his human failings. We are all sinners. I disagree with his racism, but there was more to the man than just his stupidity in that area. He was actually a very devoted Catholic before he was jaded by his personal experiences. It took a lot of courage on his part to come forward and tell the clergy they were wrong for abusing the sale of indulgences. I think he did it out of love for his Catholic faith. He wanted to root out the few corrupt clergy who were hurting the church. He just went too far. Catholics need to understand he was mistaken, but still a decent man.

With regard to Hagee, he has good points too but can be a bit over zealous. I personally like Ray Comfort more. He’s more down to earth and delivers a more biblically based message than most Protestant spokesmen. I’ve heard him disagree with Catholicism, but he does so respectfully and with genuine love for the Catholic people.
 
I have to say that all the comments thus far have been well considered and constructed. And I agree that heart felt prayer is the best course of action for Hagee and his ilk.
However I have a more personal interest. My older brother became a protestant minister some years ago. I believe he is associated with AOG. But the point is he is leaning well into Hagee’s theology. What I would like to know is where John Hagee gets his information and history. I know he has mentioned on another show something about a book that details how the protestent church was hidden in amongst the disciples and how these ‘real’ Christians safeguarded the true religion while the Catholics sold out to Babylonism with Constantine in 335ad.
Anyway the book had a title like ‘river of blood’ or something.
Does anyone know where Hagee gets this twisted history? I need to bone up on the specifics to try and convert my brother?
Thanks
 
I have to say that all the comments thus far have been well considered and constructed. And I agree that heart felt prayer is the best course of action for Hagee and his ilk.
However I have a more personal interest. My older brother became a protestant minister some years ago. I believe he is associated with AOG. But the point is he is leaning well into Hagee’s theology. What I would like to know is where John Hagee gets his information and history. I know he has mentioned on another show something about a book that details how the protestent church was hidden in amongst the disciples and how these ‘real’ Christians safeguarded the true religion while the Catholics sold out to Babylonism with Constantine in 335ad.
Anyway the book had a title like ‘river of blood’ or something.
Does anyone know where Hagee gets this twisted history? I need to bone up on the specifics to try and convert my brother?
Thanks
I’d be interested in this information too. I have a relative who is quickly becoming a “Hagee follower”.
 
Hello All,

I have never gotten a reply. Although in one of his sermons he did specifically say not to send him any letters he never reads them.
But Boxer you live in Texas have you tried to get a local paper interested in telling the truth about the Church and Hagee’s lies?
Quite frankly no one wants to make him mad. His organization rakes in over 15 million a year, his personal salary is over 1 million a year. A San Antonio paper reported back in 2004 that he was the highest-paid nonprofit executive in that city, back then he made twice as much as the next best-paid executive.

I have a problem with anti-semitic sentiments but to be honest, may make enemies now I also have a problem with his being so pro that no Jewish person can do wrong in his eyes. I see no balance with him.

You mentioned the other ministers on TBN, they are all great friends, he is close to Paul and Jan Crouch as well. His organization is a 501(3) c Church. He receives excessive compensation from his nonprofit ministries as does TBN. If you mess with him you also are messing with the business men’s tax write offs. TBN takes in over 100 million a year from viewer donors. Church;s need donations of course to run and for charities, but I have a problem with their “name it and claim it” way they get it, also requesting sometimes through their prayer lines.

He is very political. And very pro-war. Wants us to join Israel in a strike against Iran. Started his own lobbying group called Christians United for Israel (CUFI), Here is a group of people on his board of directors:

QUOTE: The CUFI board of directors includes the Reverend Jerry Falwell, former Republican presidential candidate and religious right activist Gary Bauer, and George Morrison, pastor to the 8,000-member Faith Bible Chapel in Arvada, Colorado, and chairman of the board of Promise Keepers. Rod Parsley, the Ohio televangelist who is rapidly becoming a major political figure in the Christian right, signed on as a regional director. Among CUFI’s other supporters are nationally syndicated Christian right talk show host Janet Parshall, who serves on its board of advisers, and Ron Wexler, an Orthodox Jew and president of the theocratic Ten Commandments Commission, which has the backing of nearly every prominent conservative evangelical in the country. Many popular TBN televangelists, among them the controversial faith healer Benny Hinn and the best-selling author of self-improvement books, Joyce Meyer, have also offered their support. Meyer was named one of the country’s 25 most influential evangelicals in an oft-cited 2005 Time magazine article – as was Stephen Strang, CEO of Strang Communications, which published Jerusalem Countdown. Long before his launch of CUFI, Hagee had sought to influence American policy toward the Middle East. For 25 years, he has hosted a “Night to Honor Israel” at his church, an event that showcased Tom DeLay as the keynote speaker in 2002, and that has attracted leaders of the Israeli government as well as American politicians. END QUOTE

Members of the Republican Party have said that
John Hagee does have President Bush’s ear. Paul Crouch is a friend of John Ashcroft . All the political connections are there and with people like Hagee using his platform, his book called Jerusalem Countdown that made it on the USA Today best-seller list for 6 wks, preaching that this will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Christ’s return, already having put people into this holy war mindset, lets just say it all kind of fits.

I have links somewhere on his theology but it will have to wait until tomorrow. I will check back.
 
The book is the Trail of Blood. I forget the author but you can find it online. The book is a not very funny joke. The history it outlines is based on the heresy movements throughout history and have nothing to do with Christianty. The movements they claim as the true Christianty, denied the diety of Christ, or denied his humanity. They denied he came in the flesh or they said he was a prophet and that was all. I was raised with preachers pushing this book. Between Chick and the lies of this book they made me look into the Catholic Church and I celebrate my birth of one year this Easter. :signofcross:
 
I caught Hagee’s program once, and heard him saying that “you aren’t saved by crawling on your knees to a statue of the Virgin Mary.” Of course, this is not what the Catholic Church teaches, and no Catholic who knows his faith believes that either.

I’ve heard some who are even more over the top. On my shortwave radio years ago I heard a preacher named “Brother Stair” who claimed that the Temple was going to be re-built, and when that occured, the Pope would become ‘the vicar of Jerusalem’ and go their to offer animal sacrifices to the Virgin Mary. :bigyikes:
I heard him say unkind things about other churches, such as the AOG. I guess his ‘church’ is the only true church. :rolleyes:
 
Let me totally honest – I don’t like Hagee or his message. Sorry. Please don’t ban me. I’m just being honest.😦
 
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