John MacArthur and the Vatican Porn Collection

[stinkcat_14]

No, it still is MacArthur’s fault for not choosing reliable sources. If I picked an unreliable source for a research paper when I was in college, the professor would not let me off the hook!

Exactly! As a professor myself, I expect my students not to just accept things at face value but probe deeper.

 

[Michael_Francis]

Just a note:

I didn’t pop anybody for their comments because even as incensed as you all are you have been pretty good about your remarks.

Where a comment was over the line a bit, I either removed it or edited in something less.

I was only concerned that a rage of ad hominem would break loose in what has otherwise been a good discussion of an anti-Catholic preacher.

Over all you guys have done very well with this and I encourage you to feel free to take MacArthur’s remarks apart with study and facts that refute him. Many Catholics have found a deeper faith because of their study to refute anti-Catholics.

“Carefully study to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.” (2nd Timothy 2:15 Douay-Rheims NT)
MF

 

[Image_of_God]

Just a note:

I didn’t pop anybody for their comments because even as incensed as you all are you have been pretty good about your remarks.

Where a comment was over the line a bit, I either removed it or edited in something less.

I was only concerned that a rage of ad hominem would break loose in what has otherwise been a good discussion of an anti-Catholic preacher.

Over all you guys have done very well with this and I encourage you to feel free to take MacArthur’s remarks apart with study and facts that refute him. Many Catholics have found a deeper faith because of their study to refute anti-Catholics.

“Carefully study to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.” (2nd Timothy 2:15 Douay-Rheims NT)
MF

I hope I am encluded in the doing “very well” part. I do have a rage when Protestants attach the Catholic Faith.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

I hope I am encluded in the doing “very well” part. I do have a rage when Protestants attach the Catholic Faith.

I have a feeling it is equivalent to the rage Protestants feel when Catholics tell them they are “anathema”. Would I be right?

Now to continue on my journey of learning Catholicism from Catholics themselves, do you guys really think we are hell bound heretics or “anathema”?

 

[Image_of_God]

I have a feeling it is equivalent to the rage Protestants feel when Catholics tell them they are “anathema”. Would I be right?

Now to continue on my journey of learning Catholicism from Catholics themselves, do you guys really think we are hell bound heretics or “anathema”?

Well, if you know that Catholicism is the true faith, and you are not converting to it…

If you do not think that Catholicism is right, or understand the Catholic Faith, but you try to do the will of God, you most certainly are not anathema.

However, Protestantism is a heresy, and is to be treated as such. It began when Martin Luther rebeled against the Pope, he was unable to seperate the corruptness of the members of the Church with the purity of the Church her self.

I absolutely do not think you are anathema. Unless you are avoiding the full truth on purpose.

Anathema is no longer in practice. So you are not anathema. But you are obligated to get close to the truth…
I think.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Well, if you know that Catholicism is the true faith, and you are not converting to it…

I don’t know. And it would take a whole lot to make me convert to it due to the years of protestant indoctrination I’ve been privy to.

If you do not think that Catholicism is right, or understand the Catholic Faith, but you try to do the will of God, you most certainly are not anathema.

Thank you. Even if I didn’t try to do the will of God I would not be anathema though as you said below that it is no longer in practice. But then could you tell me why it’s no longer in practice if it was a doctrine held (but no longer is) by the source of complete truth

However, Protestantism is a heresy, and is to be treated as such. It began when Martin Luther rebeled against the Pope, he was unable to seperate the corruptness of the members of the Church with the purity of the Church her self.

**Then that would make the people who are Protestants out to be heretics then? Luther didn’t rebel against the Pope so much as the Pope rebelled against God. Luther tried to reform the Catholic church; to get it back to basics. When it became apparent he was not going to succeed, he left it thus being a cog in the start of the Protestant Reformation. **

I absolutely do not think you are anathema. Unless you are avoiding the full truth on purpose.

**Thank you. Can I be confident that the RCC has the full truth when they change their doctrines over and over? I’ve seen a list of changed doctrines in the RCC but I would have to find it again. **

Anathema is no longer in practice. So you are not anathema. But you are obligated to get close to the truth…
I think.

That’s good to hear. So if I look in vatican 2 it won’t call me anathema? sigh of relief
**
As for truth I always want to be close to Him (Jesus). In the process I am greatly interested in learning about Catholicism from Catholics themselves instead of from all the verbiage I’ve grown accustomed to from my Protestant friends. Hope you have a Happy New Year.**

 

[pnewton]

I used to follow MacArthur years ago. Today I can scarcely believe it is the same man. He used to be careful not to prooftext and now it seems to be his mainstay. The one that caught my eye first was using the admonition against forbiding marriage as a doctrine of demons. Unless his mind has slipped a cog, he knows that this verse is referring to forbiding of any to marry, not just some. (He also knows that St. Paul also choose not to marry and was the first celibacy advocate). Why has he has sunk so low to be intellectually dishonest, unless it because he has no other way to make his anti-Catholic case.

He need to worry about his own working with the devil, the father of lies, and less about Protestants and Catholics working together.

 

[Image_of_God]

Sir, you most surely have taken the information I have given you to extremes.

Firstly, anathema is not a doctrine.

Secondly, I said I think, not I am sure.

Thirdly, what proof have you that the RCC has changed her doctrine, or are you believing nonsense from others?

I think the Catechism is what you should be looking for. Learn about Catholicism from the Catholic Magisterium, when you are unsure of things.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Sir, you most surely have taken the information I have given you to extremes.

If I have done this, I apologize.

Firstly, anathema is not a doctrine.

Yes it is. If it is a teaching, which I’m pretty sure it used to be then it is a doctrine. If it’s not a doctrine, then it was just someone’s “opinion”.

Secondly, I said I think, not I am sure.

Fair enough. Doesn’t mean I didn’t have the right to ask what I asked.

Thirdly, what proof have you that the RCC has changed her doctrine, or are you believing nonsense from others?

I will have to find it then. The fact is, I have seen it. I have a feeling there are many sources but I will look.

I think the Catechism is what you should be looking for. Learn about Catholicism from the Catholic Magisterium, when you are unsure of things.

I could do that. But I’m also interacting with you guys here. You know more than I do since you are Catholics. But please don’t assume I am making anything up. Anything I say on here was either told to me, or I read it, or I came to the conclusion myself due to my beliefs as a Protestant. Nothing is made up.

 

[Image_of_God]

Alright, you got me in your trap!

 

[Santos]

I could do that. But I’m also interacting with you guys here. You know more than I do since you are Catholics. But please don’t assume I am making anything up. Anything I say on here was either told to me, or I read it, or I came to the conclusion myself due to my beliefs as a Protestant.

Who’s your daddy? That was your choice of a screen name? Forgive me if I’m wrong, but that’s what it reads… OK, If it works for you.

As a catholic, I am glad you came to this forum to find out more about the Catholic Faith, from Catholic’s. For starters, can I suggest you start a new topic thread, with your first most concern, question or argument about Catholic teaching.

There is no way all your questions can be addressed all at once, but we will do our best to share the Catholic faith with you. So, I encourage you to begin a new thread.

Thank You, and Welcome,
Santos

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Alright, you got me in your trap!

Huh?

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Who’s your daddy? That was your choice of a screen name? Forgive me if I’m wrong, but that’s what it reads… OK, If it works for you.

I uh…like the name. My fiancee is from Indiana so I thought it was an interesting name.

As a catholic, I am glad you came to this forum to find out more about the Catholic Faith, from Catholic’s. For starters, can I suggest you start a new topic thread, with your first most concern, question or argument about Catholic teaching.

There is no way all your questions can be addressed all at once, but we will do our best to share the Catholic faith with you. So, I encourage you to begin a new thread.

**Fair enough. Thank you. I will do that. **
Thank You, and Welcome,
Santos

 

[Image_of_God]

Huh?

Joke.

 

[lak611]

I used to follow MacArthur years ago. Today I can scarcely believe it is the same man. He used to be careful not to prooftext and now it seems to be his mainstay. The one that caught my eye first was using the admonition against forbiding marriage as a doctrine of demons. Unless his mind has slipped a cog, he knows that this verse is referring to forbiding of any to marry, not just some. (He also knows that St. Paul also choose not to marry and was the first celibacy advocate). Why has he has sunk so low to be intellectually dishonest, unless it because he has no other way to make his anti-Catholic case.

He need to worry about his own working with the devil, the father of lies, and less about Protestants and Catholics working together.

Did MacArthur always quote sources when he did not even know who they were, like New York Times op-ed pieces or “maybe” LA Times op-ed pieces? Although Boettner is NOT a credible source, at least he named Boettner. I have a major problem with anybody who does not name his source and isn’t even sure where he got the source.

 

[lak611]

Actually, Boettner’s source is Emmett McLaughlin who cites Alfred Kinsey as the suggesting that the Vatican library is full of porn.

Do you know anything about the book that McLaughlin wrote that Boettner uses as his source? Title? Publication date?

 

[pnewton]

Did MacArthur always quote sources when he did not even know who they were, like New York Times op-ed pieces or “maybe” LA Times op-ed pieces? .

It seems his intellectual integrity has slipped.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Did MacArthur always quote sources when he did not even know who they were, like New York Times op-ed pieces or “maybe” LA Times op-ed pieces? Although Boettner is NOT a credible source, at least he named Boettner. I have a major problem with anybody who does not name his source and isn’t even sure where he got the source.

Then you have a problem with me. I don’t always remember a source. When I read something, the thing I read is more important to me and I remember it. I don’t always remember the source. It would be a good thing to do but the fact that I don’t always do it does not make me a bad person and if you have a problem with me, you know how to solve it. And you have to do it before you partake of communion too.

 

[lak611]

Then you have a problem with me. I don’t always remember a source. When I read something, the thing I read is more important to me and I remember it. I don’t always remember the source. It would be a good thing to do but the fact that I don’t always do it does not make me a bad person and if you have a problem with me, you know how to solve it. And you have to do it before you partake of communion too.

I don’t have a problem with you because you are not writing something that is going to be published or used in an academic endeavour without naming your sources. I don’t always remember my sources either, but when I was in college, I could not submit a research paper without naming my sources (oh, I could have, but the professor would have failed me, and rightfully so!). By the way, on one of the other threads, you were asked for sources, and you provided them. You are not a problem at all!

 

[hoosierdaddy]

I don’t have a problem with you because you are not writing something that is going to be published or used in an academic endeavour without naming your sources. I don’t always remember my sources either, but when I was in college, I could not submit a research paper without naming my sources (oh, I could have, but the professor would have failed me, and rightfully so!). By the way, on one of the other threads, you were asked for sources, and you provided them. You are not a problem at all!

Thank you. I understand what you mean now. Yes, we should give all of our sources in an academic endeavour.

Thanks for clearing this up. God bless.